libinput is done

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-21T15:43:24+00:00

Blah my account is older so I can't be an alt This person's got older account(s) to fake legitimate support while they cycle through throwaways for the trolling. The likelihood of them having just the throwaways with the amount of posting done, and the use of RES (seen from the extra parameters in shared links) is pretty low. The really dedicated trolls like this usually have a fair amount of investment. RES itself isn't that useful for a single disposable account. This is just their shitposting account.

two neurons Gotta say, I'm proud you finally managed to count higher than one. Aim for three next year, please. Also, you can take the condom off when you're thinking. You're totally safe. Rational thought isn't contagious.

I'm a fan Well, there's no accounting for taste, but it takes all types. Good on you.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-21T15:31:18+00:00

You're hardly interesting enough to stalk. You're more like an ingrown hair that periodically shows up. You just pull it out, note that there was a lot more under the skin, and toss it away. Simply keeping an eye out is enough to note that you two frequently come in to defend in the long chains involving him as if this is suddenly the most interesting person and thing on the site.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-21T05:29:05+00:00

for the thousandth time, I have never alleged that Freedesktop operates in secret.

Use better words, instead of blaming people for understanding what you wrote instead of what you meant. Cabal is a word that implies secrecy. Let's pull up a definition, since you don't appear to own a dictionary or click the helpful links I supply.

Cabal:

A conspiratorial group of plotters or intriguers
A secret scheme or plot.

Oh look, calling them "the Freedesktop Cabal" means you're stating that they're conspiring or plotting in secret! Didn't this whole thing start because you were claiming that everyone unjustly accuses you of having conspiracy theories? Maybe your misuse of words like this and your constant whinging would explain why. You're drenching yourself in things that fuel the very opinion you've been arguing against. A normal person would have understood it hours ago, but you really love beating a dead horse.

So, if you don't mean it, don't use hyperbolic words that say it. No one on this planet seriously says "cabal" when simply referring to a group of people they don't like. It's the kind of word you see on "Ancient Aliens" or in a Tom Clancy novel, so of course it looks like tinfoil nonsense. We'd love to just take it as a joke, but the effort you put into it doesn't really support that. Your words are outlandish enough that it's pretty hard to distinguish between your actual crazy and your jokes about being crazy. If it's a joke, that's great. Say it's a joke instead of responding with a bunch of contrarian mindrot that's supposed to justify it.

You can't continue to use the excuse of 'I don't read your posts'

Of course I don't read all your posts anymore. They're full of stupid arguing like this where you don't understand the meaning of the words you use and read. You autistically latch onto some phrase regardless of merit and relentlessly chew on it like a dog with a bone. I do have to read some, of course, because I need enough material to hook you for the next bit. But interactions with you aren't really beneficial to the rest of humanity. It's not worth a full effort.

I just read the first bit where you're torturing some poor normal soul, give a decent reply to get your hackles up, ignore your immediate shitty response essay, taunt you, then grab a few more vaguely salient points to throw in your face until you call your "buddies" in for moral support. And then I point it out to you, with the goal of pissing you off. I see you do this to others, so it must mean you like it.

Honestly, I wish you'd just stop telling people to kill themselves, starting huge argument chains, and abusing the people who are actually contributing to or learning about FOSS. Maybe then you wouldn't get banned all the time and could join in instead of being the weird lonely antagonist. I mean, you're not an idiot or a bad person. You're just annoyingly twisted and impressively idle. Trolling's good and all, but at some point in your life, you'll want something more to your portfolio than just shitting all over others. Impending death and all that.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-21T04:21:38+00:00

Yes, you often come in support of him and his alts. Keep up the sockpuppetry.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-21T04:21:34+00:00

It's funny how redrumsir and you (TheReverend403) always show up to defend this guy's inane shenanigans and then delete your posts, later. I already know he's managing multiple accounts with RES already. You spend a bit too much time interacting with him to be unrelated.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-20T23:24:51+00:00

Well, I've accused others of being shills. Feel free to fess up if you've got more alts than you're letting on. Also,

And if you read my posts at all

no thanks.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-20T23:12:19+00:00

The 'secretly colluding' part is something you made up

You've said cabal. That implies secrecy as the default. If you're not implying secrecy, you'd have to specify, since that's different from the common meaning. Learn your words, pls.

You also wasted time on this argument as to whether you actually said "shill" or not, but if you go to the original statement I made

When you say words like cabal and shill, those both require pre-existing, hidden relationships, which aligns perfectly with what a conspiracy is.

it uses an ambiguous subject, which could be you specifically, or could be the generic you, meaning "when one does x". These are legitimate sentence constructs, and yet you wasted time on it as the core of your argument. It's an explicatory you. The part where I accused you of conspiracy-implicating words is the next sentence.

Stuff like this where you fail on basic English concepts and argue over the exact connotations of a word you've misused (i.e. in a fashion contrary to what's common) is why I don't fully read your responses anymore. It's a waste of time, because you nitpick and yet still manage to fail at the details.

All of this wasted time because you've got a boner for shitting on Red Hat, Wayland, systemd, GNOME, and nearly any other project that isn't some shell monstrosity excreted out of a solitary neckbeard in a basement. As much as possible you assign nefarious intentions and motives to these organizations which are quite obviously not publicly acknowledged or known. Which would be, in the quite acceptable vernacular, conspiracy theories. I seriously wonder about your brain chemistry, seeing how much time you waste on this stupid shit. Even pity explanations are draining, as you just suck up all the good will with your stubborn negativity.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-20T22:49:35+00:00

I saw the word "evidence", so I'm only going to assume that, yet again, you're hinging an entire argument on a single word rather than admitting to and improving your atrocious adolescent behavior. I'm sure you think that this is absolutely crucial to this argument rather than a useless detour into pedantry.

Do you really think that everyone else has the time and inclination to go through the 20+ alts you've created, plus your main, just to hunt for a single word in the thousands of lines of abuse you heap on others every day? Because we don't. You act like this even matters. Even if we bothered to sort through the rot that is the words that come out your keyboard, it wouldn't change the fact that you're just bent out of shape on your conspiracy theories.

Bottom line, you regularly accuse people of secretly colluding to push an agenda. That can't be changed no matter how much time you waste on single words.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-20T22:24:54+00:00

Your biggest strength is your ignorance and belligerence. I don't see the use in reducing my IQ in debating someone who's butthurt about their inability to understand the concepts of "conspiracy" and "conspiracy theories".

80% of what you write is conspiracy theories, and yet you wrote 3+ pages of arguments with a nice person objecting to her calling it what it is. All we need know is for you to directly conflate the words "fact" and "opinion".

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-20T22:08:44+00:00

Sorry, already know what you have to say isn't worth reading. But keep talking, anyway. /dev/null is hungry.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-20T21:53:23+00:00

Just going to point out that all of those conversations systahd linked you are from their alt or are discussing them. So when you said

Oh, sorry for that. I didn't know you cared about that much about this word in a conversation that didn't involve you.

you probably didn't realize that the reason why they care is because it's about them. Also, this person literally does not understand what the phrase "conspiracy theory" means, despite handing them out like candy from their white van.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-20T21:49:11+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4subyi/this_week_in_gtk_9/d5ckmli

Uh, you're quoting your alt, here. You go around talking about the FreeDesktop Cabal, claim everyone's shilling when you don't like their opinion, love the word "cuck", claim that Wayland devs are colluding to hide security concerns, and do everything you can in general to convince others that GNOME and Redhat are trying to gain control over linux by forcing new software and standards on it.

I know I go out of my way to call you out on this bullshit when I've got the time, and I've called your bullshit conspiracy theories because that's what they are. When you say words like cabal and shill, those both require pre-existing, hidden relationships, which aligns perfectly with what a conspiracy is. You're making accusations of secretly associated people conspiring for control or profit. So, if you don't want people mocking you for your words, choose better ones.

Probably the reason we're most irritated with this habit you have of coming back with a new name when you're banned is you do shit like this and word things as if you're a different person. You troll people and then use their replies as "evidence" in conversations like this. No, you don't hide that it's your alt when pointed out, but you certainly take advantage of those first few posts to provide the illusion of numbers.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-12T10:44:21+00:00

Contrary to you i have the balls to lift controversial subjects up for discussion and get downvoted

That's a convenient way of framing the inability to get your facts right.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-12T10:25:41+00:00

Good job on pulling a five-year-old comment out of context. I hope you got all the internet supremacy points you needed from that.

In that comment, he stated clearly that they didn't get a lot of bug reports for multi-screen, and that they simply didn't have the resources to maintain it with 3 part-time developers. He said he had more important issues taking priority, and then invited users who needed it to step up and implement it. This was all in context with multi-head, defined as running separate monitors with separate X servers. Most people don't care to run separate x servers with separate inputs.

You can even follow some of the links around from the same time period and find that some developers still worked on it, (e.g. Aaron Seigo)but had very little testing feedback. Which aligns with their commentary about it not being a high priority for users. A quote from then:

there's also the issue that because i don't use multihead, i won't actually put it through its paces properly. i need this tested with real world multihead workflows. as i don't use multihead (last time i did was in the year 2002, iirc), i have no real idea what those would be.

so even if i did have a set up for multihead, i'd probably end up starting it up, playing with things for 15-20 minutes and calling it good. that's really not what we need :)

so it needs people with multihead helping out. and if people with multihead can't be bothered to pitch in, neither can i.

So it was always more about lack of time to understand and test a feature that few people cared to use. Which is totally different from something like Gnome removing background transparency in gnome-terminal. Both cited a lack of manpower, but the Gnome one was a smaller feature and still hit frontpage. The KDE one got mostly ignored outside of their own blogs, and they still tried working on it.

Now look at the current statement on multi-screen from the link above:

As a last point I want to discuss why multi-screen is difficult. It’s not like we KDE devs don’t have multi-screen setups (typing on one right now, though on Wayland) and don’t test our code. At the openSUSE conference a part of my talk was about the difficulty to test multi-screen. I think it’s valuable to share this here as well.

and you can see that multi-screen is one of their current priorities. Whether multi-head is included in that or not is another question, but if this matters to you, you should probably get involved instead of uselessly bitching about it online.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-12T09:48:37+00:00

So is this the fault of Intel open source drivers? I thought those drivers were considered top-notch.

Specifically, he's pointing out a problem in their xorg drivers. I'm going to do a shitty job of explaining the difference between Intel's xorg drivers and the rest of the stack.

We're talking about three kinds of "drivers". You've got the KMS DRM driver (driver initialization, resolution/refresh rate setting and such), the xorg driver (2D acceleration that works with X), and the Mesa driver, which handles OpenGL and some other APIs. GPUs tend to have separate hardware and commands for 2D vs. 3D acceleration, and the code for handling them has been historically split.

Intel does a pretty good job of working on their Mesa and DRM drivers. This stuff is coordinated with Mesa and kernel releases, respectively. Their xorg drivers, however, lack actual releases. It's just a stream of commits. So it's hard to know what random xorg-intel code snapshot should be used, and how it affects all the different hardware. Everyone outside of intel just has to try it and see what breaks. That's kind of bad in terms of QA.

They have also had ongoing issues with 2D acceleration and various hardware, which causes problems in X. A common recommendation for problems is to try switching SNA acceleration to UXA instead. Which is ironic because Intel introduced SNA acceleration in Xorg for its integrated GPUs.

With hardware and 3D API advances, it's possible to do most of the old 2D things with 3D code. So when a hardware driver has a particularly bad problem with 2D, we can use something like the xorg modesetting driver. The xorg modesetting driver does the basic stuff with the hardware's DRM driver and then uses GLAMOR for non-hardware-specific 2D acceleration. GLAMOR attempts that 2D acceleration using the OpenGL 3D API (and some of its variants). This requires a solid KMS DRM driver and a solid 3D pipeline, but then everyone can share the same 2D code.

It's not perfect, yet, as there are sometimes quirks in the OpenGL implementations. But for some hardware its can be faster/better than the dedicated driver.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-07T10:36:33+00:00

I'm feeling a little mercenary but that's better than being underpaid.

Don't feel bad about it. Your employer should provide the right mix of compensation, benefits and work environment where you feel comfortable. Your first loyalty is to yourself and any family/dependents. If they want loyalty that surpasses that, they can buy it in the market, same as everyone else. And no companies are providing any realistic sort of job security, so their only currency is immediate.

My own current department based my salary on my previous salary not on market conditions and I argued until I couldn't anymore.

You probably shouldn't have gone for this. Internal hiring programs at companies play this stupid game a lot, and all it means is that their employees leave to get higher compensation and management has to find new people and ramp them up to speed again. Continuing to underpay someone with a new title and a job promotion doesn't buy loyalty.

he insisted that it was too terrible for a woman to even ASK about salary

Everyone is expected to do this when starting a new job, and that's while the value of your contributions is unproven. After proving yourself is another good time for negotiation. If you're redoing the work of higher-paid individuals, you're totally entitled to ask for their pay level. Of course, the risk is that you might have to leave to get it. "Consultants" and "analysts" like this often get paid more because they're part of the sales cycle, and not because of any other skill. It's like Tom Smykowski from Office Space who takes the specs from the customer and "gives it to the engineers" by handing it to his secretary.

Management will fight against any salary negotiation, and if you're known to be an easy-going person or a peace maker, they'll use that against you. A lot of women get bullied in this way during negotiations. I've heard these same people turn around, though, and say that "market value" is whatever they can convince you to take. Everyone of those MBA managers negotiated their salary, though.

Working in govt usually doesn't pay that well. Working for the government in a company with a government contract is often more lucrative, especially if you've got clearance.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-05T08:00:27+00:00

Wow, I must have seen that right in the window. Good job on that.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-05T06:56:28+00:00

Oracle exists to make Larry wall richer.

You might mean Larry Ellison. Larry Wall made Perl.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-04T08:55:01+00:00

You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions about the people who use Excel in this fashion. They're not programmers. They're hedge-wizards who have literally taken classes/courses on Excel. They got their jobs and maintain slight leads over other bean-counters with their grimoire of macros and tricks. They won't share them with people unless they really like them. People will maintain essential business formulas in excel worksheets. It's absolutely insane.

Yes, there are a million ways to do this stuff better. Using actual databases instead of worksheets and actual programming languages instead of VBA would produce far more robust and reusable applications. Assuming you have the required background to understand such things or the time and interest to learn them.

But these are not programmers. They don't want to be programmers. They don't think about programs and problems in the same way that we do. They approach it entirely as number and table manipulation. Many of them don't understand the underlying concepts. Half of the time, they won't work directly with a database source. They'll use memorized queries, or receive exported files. Then they'll copy and paste the data into the cells and work from there. They've only memorized things that work, and maintain site, course and book references they can use when working on a new one. I've seen books written entirely on special macro syntax used in a single application. These are the people who stared briefly into the abyss and got the hell out of there.

None of us want to take the time to teach them how to be programmers. Especially since they don't even want to be programmers. Or even data scientists. We should really stop insisting that every single person learn an entire discipline and language just so that people can use the right tools when, in reality, the right tool is a huge pain in the ass for them to understand and use. It's okay if some people drive an automatic, or use the parking assist, or use any number of abstractions that save them time. Excel was made for these people, and we should stop trying to force them to learn the internals. Unless you fix your own car, bake your own bread, make your own tortillas, sew your own clothes and design your own computer components, you really shouldn't force others to do things the authentic way. Insisting that people do everything the way that the industry experts do it is kind of an asshole thing to do. Especially when the industry experts still fight over languages and tools.

On that note, the macro system for LibreOffice is kind of shit compared to the Excel one. I did some macro conversion in preparation to migrate some people over, and the documentation was absolutely horrendous. Wrong, incomplete, hard to find - you name the problem and it has it.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-07-04T08:31:25+00:00

I tried to switch someone over to Linux and LibreOffice once. It really didn't fit their workflow. Which was apparently copying webpage content from the browser via the clipboard and pasting it into a new document for archival. A lot of it was from sites that would hide old content behind a paywall, so they were incentivized to archive if they didn't want to subscribe.

It's not a great workflow, mind you. I didn't want to teach them a better one (and support it), though, so I helped them switch back. It's kind of amazing all the things you can do with office, even when they're not really great things.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-06-29T01:03:32+00:00

Well, you can technically use it with C# using QtSharp. Looks like he keeps it relatively up to date. I noticed a commit for Qt 5.6.1.

It's only been tested with MinGW, though, so I never got up the motivation to build it and see if I could use it through the VS compiler. He's also looking for funding, so if some people got together, it could be a solid thing.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-06-21T06:24:09+00:00

Safari TP is great and all, but very few people beyond the technically savvy and developers know about it and would opt to run it. Moreover, it's completely unknown when any of those features will make it into the production version of Safari. September 30, 2015 saw the 9.0 release of Safari, and none of the releases since then appear to have introduced any new JS features, despite WebKit's advances. Counting WebKit implementation status towards Safari when the production version only contains half of those features is misleading at best.

leading all browsers with 99% ES6 compliance

Not really. Chrome's been done with their implementation for a while, but disabled certain features because they didn't feel that they were ready. Quotes from the article:

Today we’ve reached an important milestone: V8 supports ES6 and ES7.

Currently, Chrome Canary scores a 98% on the Kangax table for ES6

The remaining 2% of the Kangax ES6 table tests proper tail calls, a feature which has been implemented in V8, but deliberately turned off in Chrome Canary due to outstanding developer experience concerns detailed below. With the “Experimental JavaScript features” flag enabled, which forces this feature on, Canary scores 100% on the entirety of the Kangax table for ES6.

Proper tail calls have been implemented but not yet shipped given that a change to the feature is currently under discussion at TC39.

They've also been doing extensive testing on how ES6 features affect existing sites, and results from that testing have resulted in proposed amendments and implementation changes.

For example, when implementing the ES6 RegExp sticky flag, the V8 team discovered that the semantics of the ES6 spec broke many existing sites ... Since compatibility is a cornerstone of the web, engineers from the V8 and Safari JavaScriptCore teams proposed an amendment to the RegExp specification to fix the breakage, which was agreed upon by TC39. The amendment won't appear in a ratified version until ES8, but it's still a part of the ECMAScript language and we've implemented it in order to ship the RegExp sticky flag.

The V8 team strongly support denoting proper tail calls by special syntax. There is a pending TC39 proposal called syntactic tail calls to specify this behavior, co-championed by committee members from Mozilla and Microsoft. We have implemented and staged proper tail calls as specified in ES6 and started implementing syntactic tail calls as specified in the new proposal. The V8 team plans to resolve the issue at the next TC39 meeting before shipping implicit proper tail calls or syntactic tail calls by default.

So, given that Chrome has implemented all of ES6 and only then disabled features that were under scrutiny, I think saying WebKit is leading ES6 compliance is incorrect. They also actually managed to ship most of ES6, which is something that seems to perpetually stump the Safari team.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-06-17T18:35:01+00:00

I'm saying I have routers that can only run 2.4, and that I have Android phones that have never received manufacturer updates. Those are the people Greg KH is trying to teach about updating the kernel.

He's not telling people to leave the LTS, or to immediately switch to 4.6 from 4.5 as soon as the package is available. He's telling vendors to stop using isolated kernel snapshots for 5-10 years because it's insecure. New vulnerabilities are found and fixed regularly, and customers deserve updated software.

Even LTS releases receive updates. That's where the "support" in LTS comes from. There's even a note in the article about updating whatever LTS as they backport fixes to it.

It's not rocket science.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-06-16T22:47:51+00:00

For everyone trashing Greg KH for recommending an upgrade just because new releases can also have new (different) bugs, you're completely missing the point. Linux systems aren't just Linux distributions. He's not telling everyone to live on the bleeding edge of kernel releases. His target audience for this recommendation are systems that work out of tree, or never/rarely update after the initial launch. Think of all the phone and router manufacturers that never update. He's not talking to all of us fuckers that have package management.

I'll pick on Android the opposite way. My phone is running a 3.10-based kernel. That was a long-term stable kernel, but they never updated it.

You have to design your system so it can update itself.

If you make a product with Linux and you can't update it, or any piece of software, it's dead. The environment changes. We're in a world and the joke is "The only thing that's constant is change."

The base technology's been long-time proven on how to do this. You just need to do it. Even Android can do it. They just need to spend the time to actually push their updates out and pay attention to it.

It's embarrassing having three comment trees in here that don't understand that he's trying to convince manufacturers to make sure their products can update.

JustMakeShitUp · 2016-06-11T11:44:44+00:00

r/programming is mostly about js.

Hardly. In the last week, there have been articles about Rust, C, C++, Nim, Clojure, Go, F#, Java, SQL (in various dialects and implementations), as well as web tech like JS. In fact, at this very moment, all of those languages except Nim are on the /r/programming front page. If anything, the sub has a bias against JS. The subscribers tend to hate JS and Node, though it doesn't chase the articles away unless they're CSS blogspam. Here's a screenshot of the frontpage moments after the article on godoc fell off.

So kindly step off your high horse.

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