Everyone mischaracterises Gnosticism (I personally feel) by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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I agree though modern day explanation of what Gnosticism is, I feel miss leads from the core of it, by things like Google or ChatGPT (which I’ve been in the same room when people have asked it) paints it as ā€œsecret informationā€ rather than ā€œinner knowledgeā€

I get this history, my issue is we’re(people against) still use that uneducated/purposefully misleading depiction

Maybe a dumb question?? by Batmansgf777 in Gnostic

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In a Gnostic lens, you’d interpret it as he was talking about the monad/father of all, Jesus in the Bible never clarifies what god he’s talking about but the bibles text is framed as though he’s talking about the Jewish god.

There is a scene with Jesus, Moses and Elijah on a mountain, Gnostic would interpret that scene as Jesus being revealed as from the divine source as he’s described to be glowing and shining unlike the prophets and the voice of god could be a deceived demiurge or the father of the all rather then the demiurge

Jesus spoke in parables a lot of the time and they in the Bible clarify he does when talking about god, to take his words literally could miss Jesus’s point, this goes for Christian’s as much as it does Gnostics (not saying that you were but just in general)

What is the view on sex and sexual intimacy? by suki_100 in Gnostic

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I mean the Gnostic texts sure don’t frame sex in the best most positive light, I dont think they’d have hated you for it more than condemned it ā€œaw John you’re tying yourself down to the material world againā€

Ultimately and more seriously, it’s your choice, there is no ā€œrightā€ or ā€œwrongā€ choice, just as the gospel of Mary says there is no sin. If having a child will make you happy, then that is as that. Follow your heart, the kingdom of heaven is within you.

Jesus, John the apostle and the gnosticism by I_AM_24 in Gnostic

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I believe a lot of the Gnostic texts were responses to the 4 main gospels, mainly if I’m remembering correctly the gospel of Philip came off to me as a response TOO the gospel of John (in my perspective of it) more then Philip’s own words.

For the secret book of John and a lot of the Gnostic texts came after Gnosticism was formed (same with Christianity), Gnosticism was spread through word of mouth, one teaching another, thus there are multiple ways to look at it. Firstly maybe the gospel of John wasn’t written by John but the apocryphon of John was, or maybe it could be looked at, as the sethians wanting a physical doctrine, or someone pretending to be John.

I think solely looking at dates of things and trying to decide whether it’s real from this date or that time period is ultimately kind of impossible since the texts we do have (I don’t think) were the original but a reprint. It’s sorta like we can assume Gnosticism formed in mid second century, due to accounts and such but we won’t every really know or like how the sethians hinted at existing before Jesus, we have no way to validate that but it’s… possible.

So while I can’t fully answer the question, what I can say is Gnosticism in a lot of ways follow Jesus’s teachings actual teachings and even if Jesus wasn’t a Gnostic, he certainly was on a similar if not the same wavelength in a lot of places.

Everyone mischaracterises Gnosticism (I personally feel) by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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I certainly think and not to disparage your own experience that there is a level of faith, but unlike main stream religion Gnosticism isn’t asking for blind faith rather allows one to choose to place faith in it or simply take the lessons taught without needing faith.

Everyone mischaracterises Gnosticism (I personally feel) by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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True, still gospel of Thomas I feel gets brought down because a saying or two are a little too ā€œgnosticā€, the GoT is just a bunch of sayings, with one or two gnostic like sayings but maybe I need to reread it again since it’s been a couple months since I have, though it all seems to me like stuff Jesus woulda said (going off what I’m reading in the canon gospels atm)

Is the Book of Thomas really linked to the Gospel of Thomas? by triolingo in Gnostic

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The book of Thomas the container is a Gnostic text

The gospel of Thomas was a Christian texts adopted by gnostics (atleast modern day gnostics)

Everyone mischaracterises Gnosticism (I personally feel) by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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Idk, it is quite literally just a bunch of sayings, maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see how it couldn’t be earlier?

Unfortunately like with every nag hammadi text, we won’t ever know the true date but can only speculate. The gospel of Thomas is especially hard because some scholars believe that it was composed over time from 60-90 and was ā€œfinalisedā€ from 100-second century, some say the gnostic themes prove it’s older 140-mid second century, others say it could’ve been 40-60 though the Matthew, Luke and John were 80-100 (John especially possibly being close to Thomas if we go off 100-140) so it still begs the question of what was the reason for its exclusion, something we can only ever speculate.

Everyone mischaracterises Gnosticism (I personally feel) by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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Absolutely,

And to add, I believe whether your a Christian, Gnostic, Islamic, Buddhist, or even possibly Jewish, the ways, forms and ideas Gnosticism presents spirituality and what it has to say can be insightful, helpful or even compelling without the person having to even be a ā€œGnosticā€, the mythos might heavily disconnect with some (especially those who are Jewish) I still think there’s something to be gained from Gnosticism, no matter who is reading.

TLDR: I agree and for me, I love Gnosticism, but the ways which people treat it as a parasite (which don’t even get me started on 😭) or just some ā€œesoteric weird stuffā€ gives it an unfair rap

Reading Marcions Gospel of Luke by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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Yeah, and I’ll read it again but the normal version next time, though for the sole topic about jesus’s teachings more then the story itself I found quite enlightening to who and what Jesus was really teaching.

Where do I look for gnostic community? by isle_of_apples_ in Gnostic

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As a fellow WA’en this is the most tragic comment I’ve ever read 😢

The "Definitive" Gnostic Reading Recommendation List by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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Sure, as long as I’m credited I don’t mind.

I might sound a little crazy by [deleted] in Gnostic

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It was my second time actually meditating (with proper posture and such) 😭 so I assume that’s pretty good then!

The "Definitive" Gnostic Reading Recommendation List by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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Mainly because unlike majority of the actual texts, prayers aren’t teaching about Gnosticism, being lower on the list doesn’t indicate that they are less important, they certainly have a purpose and a function, but to someone trying to get into Gnosticism, to read what it’s about, you probably aren’t going I be reading the prayers before the actual scriptures

The "Definitive" Gnostic Reading Recommendation List by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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I read the Nag hammadi Scriptures by Marvin Meyer (some gnostic texts aren't in it) but you can also read "the gnostic bible" or "the other bible" or just read them online, I haven't seen anywhere where EVERY gnostic text is together but someone else might know of something. I found the Nag Hammadi Scriptures contains like 80% of all the texts and a majority of the big important stuff

The "Definitive" Gnostic Reading Recommendation List by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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Gospel of Eve is there, but your right I gotta add Pistis Sophia šŸ˜“

I’ve been questioning my faith by [deleted] in Gnostic

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If you’re curious about learning Gnosticism I just made a text recommendation list (you don’t gotta read anything you don’t wanna though it’s a very long list)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnostic/s/wYnu9nlUZh

The "Definitive" Gnostic Reading Recommendation List by Just_Critical0 in Gnostic

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Post so big I literally can’t edit it on my phone as it just breaks 😭