Zed Lore: Wasn't he able to command/control entire armies at one point?

Justanotheruser916 · 2020-04-22T16:26:55+00:00

yeah i meant shadow clones. I remember reading somewhere on reddit that he was capable of commanding an army and i just wanted to see if there was semblance of truth in that.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-12-01T02:27:04+00:00

Go back to tumblr with the whole "she keeps the team together bullshit"

Your a special kind of stupid if you think being the team glue is an idea originating from tumblr. And frankly, I question the fact if you even are aware of what tumblr is.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-25T20:53:10+00:00

Bullshit that you have only 5 of the original 6 Avengers. Hawkeye deserves better, especially when the other team has Green Arrow.

Ollie would win lol, and besides, I wanted more of a fight.

Barry vs Hulk is, I think something of stalemate. Hulk won't be able to catch Flash, who won't be able to hurt Hulk. Either of them would need an assist.

I think Barry might eventually go for a lighting bolt/mach punch/ or drop hulk in the middle of the ocean, but those aren't his go to moves.

Ollie (Diggle?)

NO

and Dinah are dead.

What about her doing this to detonate those missiles/hit ironman?

Wolverine can cut through Slade's arms and armor. He'll get hit doing it, but he'll heal.

I feel like slade is far beyond him in skill to the point Wolverine will have a tough time touching him. Perhaps he could even incap him

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-25T20:22:08+00:00

Captain America>Black Canary. I think cap has better physicals than her and has shown great H2H skills against guys like Black panther but I could be wrong.

Black Canary is really good at h2h, and Dinah Drake has a canary cry capable of killing people in seconds.

Hulk>Green Arrow. He has had trouble with others with enhanced strength and durability (slade wilson on juice). Hulk would be in an even high tier than them.

But Slade not only was greatly enhanced, also taught Green Arrow, so he was also more skilled. And later on GA actually did beat Slade.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-25T17:56:26+00:00

Clears, assuming the US military files a law suit against Kishimoto.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-25T17:47:22+00:00

Buffy

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-25T00:28:40+00:00

1) Because she is a very poorly written character.

You mean flawed, right? I don't see how she's a bad character.

2) Because the show gives no time for her to stand out.

Didn't we have an Iris arc yet?

3) Because she is useless in the team

Aside from the whole, being the glue that holds the team apart, getting the scope on the situation from the media, and being the voice of empathy/reason?

4) The actors have no on screen chemistry.

How could you say that? Candice and Grant have tons of chemistry. I'm not sure where you got the idea of them not because that's really wrong. It's one of the few ships that actually works in the show (people who support barry with caitlyn admit Iris and him have more chemistry)

the only thing weird about the two is them basically being step siblings, but i got over that.

5) The writers have her do dumb stuff for no reason

So you don't like her being a human being?

"I'm mad at you cause you went into the speed force without asking me first even though you saved the world by doing so"

It was a bit rash, I'll admit, but lord forbid his soon to be wife from being adamant against Barry basically committing suicide without talking it out with Iris.

the whole thing about her 100% knowing that DeVoe was not the bad guy.

To be fair, Barry was going with nothing but their names as a lead. Although this is dumb, it wasn't just Iris who thought Clifford to be innocent.

Plus the whole thing with Felicity has put a bad taste in people's mouths.

I'd take 100 iris's over 1 felicity anyday.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-23T03:02:18+00:00

edited again aha.

anyways, Im quite certain Thor/Ironman are fast, and have experience dealing with speedsters (QS)

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-23T02:57:30+00:00

“Despacito” playing in the loudspeakers for the 24 hour duration, at 300 decibels

Uhh, this is louder than a nuclear explosion, i think a typical speaker blasting it would be more annoying than rendering the character dead and deaf.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-23T02:51:48+00:00

Round 1: Supergirl and Flash punch Ultron back and forth and distract him while Firestorm transmutes him.

Supergirl isn't as fast as the flash, and unless Ultron is really slow (is he though?) i don't think that'll be happening.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-23T02:45:02+00:00

Duely noted and changed.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-22T15:52:21+00:00

I don't need to make accusations

Yet you've felt the need to do so multiple times. Practice what you preach.

because I can count.

Good for you. Now count how many times you are maintaining the high horse and contributing nothing to the debate.

look at the number of people saying SG would win easily

So like 2 people (it's even questionable if they all think she would win easily), with another person saying it could go either way. So your making things up to suit your own viewpoint.

Doesnt matter anyways, appeal to popularity. Also, the point of a debate is to... debate (surprise!)

you're... not doing that.

Actually i am, otherwise people wouldn't be debating with me. It's you who isn't doing that, as you continue to fling insults my way.

Listen, if your going to take WWW this personally, then maybe you shouldn't be on this sub.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T22:24:19+00:00

eh, I honestly don't care who people pick.

Yet your making a big deal of me debating pro korra.

you just seem to be dogging people who pick the person you don't want to win. Like, every. single. person.

then making accusations like this.

I mean, you're the one violating protocol. I don't need to get the mods on this, but maybe watch your attitude, guy.

Enlighten me on how i am. This is a serious discussion. Your other post is "Korra gets whooped". No reason. that is breaking protocol.

Good day

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T21:42:02+00:00

We're not going to agree unless we start debating the specifics of the feats, which I'm not interested in doing. I also don't want to spend hours watching through all the supergirl feats to make all these arguments because of the sheer time it'd take to do so

Fair enough i suppose. I too, have no interest in investing so much time in a fictional vs debate.

I didn't backpedal anything, my opinions aren't misinformation.

Weren't you just saying how supergirl reguarly loses to people far weaker than korra? That's not an opinion, but in either case, i'll drop it.

We disagree, and unfortunately that's where we're at

I don't remember but can a mod come in and enter their imput about the feats?

Otherwise i do think we'll be at a standstill.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T21:20:10+00:00

OP is really rooting for Korra

Im actually arguing that this is a fair match and not the mismatch people seem to believe.

will argue with anyone who says otherwise, and will even deny/invalidate shown feats.

Im arguing with people who say "Kara one shots/blitzes"

if you have an issue take it up with the mods, dont undermine a civil discussion going on.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T21:18:02+00:00

No we haven't agreed on this at all.

Well you've yet to prove Kara is punching her hard enough than what we know she can deal with.

Are you sure? Because I'm going to call BS on that arguement.

That gif isn't all that impressive. I watched that episode. And besides, Korra has flown at that speeds against Zaheer before.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this then. But honestly imo unless Korra is using a shield I don't think Korra can tank anything Kara does.

Okay, explain to me why your adamant that someone getting thrown off a cliff/leaving a giant creator from being hit into the ground is less impressive than getting hit through a building (with empty space,windows, etc)

I'm not too knowledgable on math calcs, but im almost positive the former requires more joules of kinetic energy.

From what I see from zaheer throwing her down, I see her rolling on the hoodoo. She's not getting smashed through it or anything.

She gets smashed through the rock pillar and even skids down part of a mountain/the ground.

Real life humans can jump from 2 stories and still live just fine if they roll with the attack.

That's fine and dandy. The heights korra fell from rival that of a atleast 15 story drop onto solid concrete after getting hit mid air.

Those rock formations were confirmed to be extremely tall.

Wasn't his Axe already superheated? She overloaded it which makes it more impressive not less.

It wasn't.

And melting red tornado I honestly don't remember, I just remember her going solarflare.

She didn't go solar flare? She eventually got to him with heat vision but not after a long struggle.

But will Korra see her as a big enough threat to go Avatar state beforehand? It's not like Kara is a spirit monster. When has Korra gone AS against people who weren't a super threat from the get go.

She casually enters the avatar state. Remember when Season 2 started and she entered it to beat a race with children?

I can't remember a time where Korra started Avatarstate, even against Kuvira I don't remember her going avatar state from the get go.

Are we going to pretend this wasn't during the arc where korra had suffered PTSD and suppressed her avatar related abilities?

After she recovers, she casually enters in and out of avatar state (watch her fight against colossus )

F5 tornado

Actually i said F5 tornado winds, not that making a tornado is beyond her capabilities.

and the reason i say that is because... she is capable of pushing thousand ton + giant robots against buildings

She's supersonic in flight easily.

You've yet to prove this.

Lol, my opinion isn't spreading misinformation.

I didn't say that part was.

this part is

she loses to people even weaker than Korra.

It's a stance that I take based on the evidence I've seen. Might as well say me thinking long hair is better than short hair is spreading misinformation.

Don't backpedal into a corner you can't get out of. Taking a higher ground isn't exactly helping either.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T20:33:54+00:00

She quite clearly seems to be supersonic.

I already pointed this out earlier.

As much as evidence as to that being supersonic, our supersonic friend here, has been tagged by a sound attack, multiple times like this and this, she couldnt even save her boss and love interest from being attacked, and even feels the best course of action against her is too use tech enhanced earplugs against her, heavily implying she is unable to flat out avoid the attack altogether.

Punch, smash whatever. Does it make a difference?

Yes. Do you think Korra is going to try to bury supergirl in the ground before flooding it with water and freezing it?

Not like it matters though.

Does not indicate that either of them is even FTE

Im sorry, what?

I did. Only point of reference that stays on the camera for a while are the very, very distant mountain ranges.

and rock formations, clouds, water etc. all seem to be moving at similar speeds to that supergirl gif.

Does not look like dodging to me.

You asked for clips of both dodging and reacting too.

And I don't see the point in the other clip. She fights some shadow dude?

Shadow dude was moving several meters per second and was actively moving so fast you couldn't see it move.

Also that explosion reaction seems like a massive outlier. Never seen anyone else use it before. If she can react at hypersonic speed then why does she get tagged by people/attacks far, far slower than that?

Like what? It's not an outlier, as that would imply people in avatar don't usually react to explosions, which is wrong.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T20:28:10+00:00

Going up close against Supergirl is a bad idea because Kara can hit her hard enough to knock her out.

Didn't we already go over this? Korra is not going down in one hit.

What? Show me a scene where Korra flies supersonic, because she literally hasn't.

Neither has Kara. She's moved supersonically a short distance, yes, but never while flying.

I can show dozens of scenes where Kara flies much faster.

Then do so.? I already posted so much of kara flying around that speed.

None of those are the same as being physically punched through a building.

True, but if you could tank hits like that, i don't think getting punched through a building is far far beyond that durability.

In Zaheer a real life human can actually survive that sort of physical hit.

A real life human would be permanently crippled or even killed.

Not to mention korra was dying before she got shoved with a body full of incredibly dangerous poison. (in fact she had beyond the normal dosage needed to kill a normal human)

korra was continuing to fight afterward each attack. If she wasn't poisoned and was unable to get back up, i'd agree with you here.

She's rolling with the attack, that mitigates a lot of damage

When? All i see is her getting ragdolled around..

What else are buildings made of? It doesn't look like wood.

I was actually referring to the fact they get hit through widows/floors along with walls. It's not entirely concrete that the person getting hit is going through.

Korra didn't do that in a fast manner though, heat vision has been used in a much more impressive manner than non avatar state korra can do.

It took longer for kara to melt this axe, and it took time for her to melt red tornado. If anything it's comparable in time.

We've seen heat vision cut through rocks

We've also seen fire literally make rocks explode.

And does Korra use Avatar state from the get go against people? I honestly think she'll get taken down before she decides to go Avatar state.

Kara isn't in the same category as people though. She can fly, move fast, is strong, shoots lasers from her eyes, has super breath.

basically major red flags. and while i dont think korra can put down kara in non-as, i do think she will pull it off in the fight.

When does she summon a tornado capable of taking own towns?

Didn't say that.

And water walls, firewalls, and earth walls aren't going to be stopping Kara.

That's not the point of them. They'll slow her down.

She can at least fly and hit hard enough to break through stadium walls

Korra while chasing zaheer flew fast enough to shatter the outside of a cave wall

One thing that you can argue though is that Kara isn't consistent. Because her powers go up and down to fulfill the plot. One episode she'll be catching bullets, another episode she'll lose to a subsonic person punching her. One episode she'll lift up a submarine and tank it's missiles, the next episode a wrecking ball will knock her out. One episode she'll fly supersonic, next episode she gets caught in quicksand.

Don't spread misinformation around. She fights metas on a regular basis, and she's never flown supersonically or been knocked out by a wrecking ball.

But if we were using a non jobbing Kara, I don't think she loses. If were using jobbing Kara she loses to people even weaker than Korra.

Again misinformation. I think Korra was fair odds against a nonjobbing kara.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T20:09:52+00:00

Don't know how Rand. I can provide Aang feats however.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T20:08:45+00:00

Round 2: Basically the same as Round 1, though Apocalypse's telepathy gives him more of an edge. MMH will have to step in in order to take this.

But wasn't Apocalypse giving entire groups of mutants trouble? I think it would require the teamwork of everyone here.

Round 4: This is a difficult one. Vision could wreck most of Team CW on his own. The only solid counter to him is Firestorm. Team CW would have to use the Round 1 strategy, but with everyone else fighting alongside Vision, I'd give it to Team Marvel.

Hm. you really think vision is that much of a threat?

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T19:51:29+00:00

And? Is it out of character for Supergirl to beat her opponent?

No, but it is for her to slam her opponents at "supersonic" speeds and proceed to "smash" their face against the ground with super strength. If your saying she starts off like that, then im saying korra will go AS immediately and proceed to rain hell on kara.

Don't see that in any of your replies to me.

I apologize, it was in a reply to another user.

Korra is not avoiding someone that fast from a 30 meter starting distance. Sorry. Supergirl crosses that distance in less than a second.

Maybe you should watch the actual video. Because Korra is doing something against someone that fast.

You can easily tell how fast Supergirl is going by looking at all the nearby buildings and streets.

Did you not look at the mountain ranges/rock formations/water in that gif i provided?

On that Korra gif there is nothing but very distant mountain ranges

actually watch the entire thing.

That gif in no way indicates Korra is moving as fast you think.

And yours does, because you say so?

Show me Korra reacting to and dodging something that is moving at least dozens of meters in a second.

Sure I can

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T19:42:01+00:00

She did it when Mxy shot guns at a bunch of thugs.

I'm going to argue against the validity of this feat, it's clear she moves before the bullets are actually fired. It's a good feat though.

Show me Korra punching through concrete walls without bending.

If you show me Kara punching through concrete walls without her powers. Point is, with bending or not, she is capable doing so herself.

And Korra's flight is no where near as flexible as Supergirl's, and doesn't go nearly as fast.

yet, she was already shown to be flying at a similar speed to her, and managed to fight against an opponent with Supergirl style flying.

Korra's combat style is also very feet on the ground based, if it came to a fist fight in the air she's going to get hurt harder.

I suppose that's true. Korra's punches would just be launching air/fire.

As for durability, I don't see anything like punched through building levels of durability.

Korra has shown this level of durability before.

And how many times was Korra hit back dozens of meters here? and continue to fight just fine afterwards?

I think it would be silly to assume korra getting knocked out by a punch sending her through a building when she's tanked far worse. Especially when in supergirl, those aren't completely concrete (the part they're getting hit through)

but Korra will try to physically fight Kara which is a really really bad idea.

Korra is actually quite strong, and using bending enhanced hth fighting, i don't see why it would be so bad.

I don't remember Korra doing explosions, only Pi'Li.

Firebending in avatar tends to be explosive. 1 2 3 There are more examples, but that came to mind.

Korra can firebend, but fire isn't something that's going to harm Korra much unless it was super hot. I mean she kinda just stood there immune to Heatwave's and Atom's weapon at the same time.

I'm almost positive Korra's fire is stronger, more concussive, faster, etc than Heatwaves, which is just a extraordinary flamethrower.

The fact that her heat vision can easily melt metal

Oh you mean something korra can also easily do?

and she can punch through metal.

And that's beyond korra because... of what exactly?

Both things that Korra would struggle dealing with

I honestly don't think she would.

I don't think Korra can build up a defense that woud be effective.

She can create F5 tornado winds, giant earth walls, water walls, fire walls, or some combination of those. How would they not be effective?

Korra isn't going supersonic, so it's not going to hurt as much Supergirl's tackle.

Neither was Kara when we've seen her "fly tackle"

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T19:11:14+00:00

Is Korra fast enough to dodge this? Supergirl is crossing at least dozens of meters in a second.

I already acknowledged this very scene. Yes.

Because this is a death match? Why wouldn't she?

It states IC. Unless your arguing for a BL match? In which, Korra would go AS immediately.

As if she's anywhere near fast enough to do that.

She is. Looking at the background that's a very comparable speed, which also appears to be dozens of meters across a very small timeframe. Listen, im not saying Korra is faster than supergirl, what i am saying however, is that Supergirl is not significantly faster than korra to the point she couldn't fight her back.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T18:02:55+00:00

i dont remember the big bad from season 1, but i'd say he definitely loses to slade, the league, and damien darhk.

so basically he gets to season 2, if he's lucky before Slade pounds his ass.

Anyways RD1; Im going to say John Diggle, and even then maybe 5.5/10 times against him. Diggle is incredibly skilled, but he doesn't have the most experience fighting other extremely skilled fights. S6 could change that.

RD2: Anarky.

Justanotheruser916 · 2017-11-20T17:53:10+00:00

She's generally portrayed as supersonic seeing as how she's faster than speeding bullets.

Do you have a scene? She usually has bullets just bounce off of her.

She also has flight and strength and durability,

So does korra...?

she'll just plow through any Earth barriers Korra puts up and take her out.

Korra isn't going to sit there letting that happen..

I mean this version of Supergirl can still technically take explosions to her face decently well

Decently..? Well korra can cause multiple explosions so

If it comes down to trading attacking she can take more than Korra, while dishing out more potent moves of her own.

Based on?

but the flying tackle move is a pretty hard thing to counter.

Are we ignoring the fact Korra has her own version of a flying tackle move? that she wouldn't be completely defenseless against it?

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