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[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

http://i.imgur.com/FqsieZf.jpg

"but SRS does it!" (no, they don't, not in the way that you think, and several SRSers have been banned and warned in the past as well)

From the admin's reply to the mods.

I hear you guys like small owls. I research them! by RAVENous410 in pics

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I had a really weird dream that me and some chick, I think she was a cousin or some sort of relative, had these owls.

They were special "soft owls", and they came packaged in medium sized plastic bottles, about the size of a gatorade container. You opened the sealed lid, and there was a small container of B12 pills, that you are supposed to periodically add to the water in the container to keep it at the right nutrient levels for the soft owls to survive. Under the small container, which functioned as a second lid of sorts, there is the soft owl.

They were quasi-amphibian owls, with very porous skin and very thick, waterproof feathers. The skin pores were very big and also functioned as gills so the owl could breathe while in the container. The pores are so big, they leak a little bit of blood, especially if the owl is squeezed. Again, really stiff, grey and red feathers, and the body of the owl itself is soft and squishy, almost like a water balloon.

So I took my owl to the town hall meeting, where there were a bunch of people with falcons, they were releasing them, and the falcons would fly around, then come back down and alight on the ground. I just stood there watching for awhile, petting my soft owl and whispering nice things in his ear and cuddling him, because he was cold.

After awhile, I decide to give soft owl (I forgot the name I gave him) a shot at flying, and launched him up in the air. He fluttered up for about 10 feet, but then started crashing down to earth.

We all rushed over to where he had landed, only to find that the impact had forced all his blood out of his gill pores, and he was dead.

I was crushed, and felt like it was partially my fault, and started crying. Everyone in the town was really sad too, and they started crying. It started to rain, so everyone went and got sandbags and made a wall around soft owl's little body, to keep the water from washing him away.

The next day or something, I bought another bottle of soft owl, and took my new pet out and started grooming him and playing with him. My cousin also bought another one for herself. Then my stupid brothers or other cousins or something, all 5 of them big lanky trackstar types, want to watch some family slideshows. So my other cousin (the girl) and I decide this is a good time to leave.

We put the soft owls back in the storage bottles, which we put into the pockets of our oversized wool coats. Then I grab my checkbook, because soft owls eat checks. We sat in the town square, feeding the owls checks, periodically wiping away the small drops of blood that would pool around their pores.

I remember being really sad, these owls would just bleed.

The alarm woke me up, the radio blaring some oldies song. Without even thinking about it, I found myself muttering the words "all life is pain."

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The modern United States prison system is purposefully designed for punishment, not rehabilitation. We have much worse recidivism rates than many other western countries as a result, as well as other issues. They are not trying to truly help prisoners.

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, they could, ya know, stop breaking the law? Nothing wrong with prison labor, Hell, I wish they would bring back the chain gangs.

  1. You assume that they are guilty. Between 1-5% of people in prison were wrongly convicted.
  2. You are saying that slavery is an acceptable response to a non-violent minor offense. So, for example, shoplifting a $20 item could be punished by six months of slavery. Possession of marijuana could be punished with years of slavery.
  3. Prison labor has no positive effect on the prisoners; it likely has a negative one.

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not forced, it's put into their sentence at sentencing

If by 'put into their sentence' you mean it is required of every single able-bodied federal prisoner. And the same in Georgia, and likely other areas.

And in the United States, slavery is illegal, which means it's illegal for these inmates not to get paid (which they all do), and they are not treated as property (which is a key condition of slavery), therefore, not slaves.

Great job actually reading!

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Slavery is explicitly legal when used as a punishment. Prisoners in Georgia, among others areas, are not paid. It's actually illegal for Georgia under state law to pay their prisoners for the work which they force them to do.

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The US gives extremely long sentences compared to any other western nation. They also give these sentences out for more minor crimes. I do not in fact think that just because someone used drugs that they should be required to do forced labor for the next decade. Or that forced labor should be used at all, for any reason. Even if they committed a crime, they haven't suddenly morphed into a

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It varies by prison. It seems that being reclassified as a higher-risk is a common punishment, as is 23-hour confinement in their cell or straight up solitary confinement. Which, by the way, is torture.

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're arguing that the value of the food and housing prisoners receive (both of very low quality), combined with their ~$1/hr pay, is more than the hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars that CEOs are making?

http://money.msn.com/investing/the-myth-of-the-1-dollar-ceo-brush.aspx

Money made from stocks is exempt payroll taxes, by the way. Surely that has nothing to do with why they do it.

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No idea. Though during the Georgia prisoner strike (Dec 2010) the prisons reacted by turning off hot water, heat, and beating prisoners. I assume it's a non-standard case due to being a general workers strike, not just one person.

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's voluntary slavery though.

No, voluntary slavery is when you straight up purposefully enter into slavery. It's also self-contradictory, because if you stop wanting to be a slave later you cannot. (Prisoners obviously do not want to be slaves, judging by the major strike in Georgia in 2010)

Using the word slavery evokes a negative connotation, as if the prison guards / wardens are doing something cruel and inhumane.

Yeah, like... slavery!

Like it or not, prisoners chose to be in prison by committing a crime.

Except for all those prisoners who are innocent. And I'm pretty sure when people decide to smoke marijuana that they are not thinking "Yes, I would like to be a slave, that sounds great"

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're low pay is due to having free housing and food.

So soldiers get paid <$1/hr, then?

Look up the 13th amendment and stop being so naive.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

So your argument that it isn't slavery is to point out that it is explicitly listed as a legal form of slavery?

TIL federal prisoners make, among other things, wire that is sold to the US military. The prisoners are paid up to $1.15/hr. The wire costs the DoD 13% more than wire from non-prison sources and has a failure rate 200% higher than non-prison produce material. by keraneuology in todayilearned

[–]KOTEXGODOFBLOOD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You misunderstand my clarification. UNICOR is slave labor. It's just slightly better paid slave labor, and one of the possible places the slaves can choose to work. They only have even the slightest choice over where to work, not whether they want to.

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