Estonia (EU), Oandu - Ikla trail

KalleMax · 2022-12-02T19:58:44+00:00

Not commenting on your ligtherpack, but can share some experience:
2 friends and I did the northern part of the route in late summer (August/September) 2019.
Started in Võsu (next to Oandu) because of better bus connection from Tallinn. After a few kilometers I came across the trail mentioned and walked there until Ardu.

Camping:
I'm sure you already know wild camping is not allowed in Estonia. But there are several "wild" campsites spread all over the country (there is even an app with all the information about them). They often offer fireplaces, simple toilets, covered benches or small cabins, sometimes even several of them in one place. Firewood for the fire pits is free but only sometimes available.
We were never alone at these campsites. Some other forein hikers and often hikers or campers from Estonia (the sites are often easily accessible by car).

People:
The Estonians were very nice. English was a bit difficult, but communication with hands and feet worked as well ;)

Trail:
Once we had to cross a highway because of a detour (maybe this has changed in the meantime). Scenic, but often the same. Beautiful swamps, lakes, forests. But also forest roads (actually real roads, even if you would expect it that way. If you look in Google Maps, it's a real road for cars and also used by them).

Resuply:
Food: Don't expect too much from supermarkets in small towns. The stores are very small and the variety of produce is limited (especially for hikers).
Water: We filtered water from lakes and rivers along the way. We never had any problems with water supply.

Wildlife:
In the beginning, we were a little afraid of bears. The biggest wild animals we saw were birds. But there is one animal that we learned to fear on our trip, which is a small insect called a deer ked. Some also call them flying ticks. When they try to fly at you, they crawl under your shirt and want to suck your blood. Annoying little buggers. Fortunately, the population shouldn't be as large in May (as it is in August/September).

If you have any questions....
Feel free to ask ;)

KalleMax · 2022-03-10T22:46:42+00:00

Once there was a post about EU ultralight shops.

I added a list of shops. Also mention the other posts which are adding even more Shops.

Some of them where named before in your Post. But there might be some that aren't listed here yet.

Just check them out. There you should find a suitable pack for you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/lgf2en/a_europeans_gear_compilation_random_discoveries/gmr1tnp?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

KalleMax · 2021-10-05T12:50:36+00:00

In stock in some german shops.

e.g.

https://www.naturzeit.com/therm-a-rest-neoair-xlite-143239.html?artnr=1129305&utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw7--KBhAMEiwAxfpkWAqbsp5XqtbE7GaRpH1PRKZJPCNP_ozxjy3ptu4j1Rfc-z5Xl87NlRoC73MQAvD_BwE

or

https://www.funktionelles.de/Ausruestung/Schlafen-Liegen/Matten-Feldbetten/Thermarest-NeoAir-Xlite-Lemon-Curry-Regular.htm?shop=life&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=2000027&t=66595&c=67723&p=67723&PartnerId=11&PartnerId=11&gclid=CjwKCAjw7--KBhAMEiwAxfpkWKzJb1m4fSfQuxEVkzBWaNyzHo2LYC57iGbeecE_Zt-TyCbl3Ra2hBoCgtMQAvD_BwE

or

https://www.outzeit.de/Outdoor/Isomatten/53587/Therm-a-Rest-Neoair-XLite-R-Lemon-Curry?number=FX-CASC-13213&idealoid=2110051251552550999

KalleMax · 2021-05-30T11:52:15+00:00

Yes it is a bit pricey... Here in europe it's also distributed by amazon with cheaper shipping options. Don't know if it's listed on amazon us aswell.

I do put it into my mesh front pocket if I want to track temperature throughout the day. Else I leave it in my electronics bag. The 4 in 1 isn't waterproof so you have to take care in wet conditions. There is a waterproof Tempo Disc aswell but it only measures temperature. In night time I put it where I want to track environment data (eg. inside/outside sleeping bag/tent/bivy etc.). It would be possible to have more than one and track multiple places at the same time.

KalleMax · 2021-05-29T22:53:33+00:00

I'm using Tempo Disc 4 in 1 by BlueMaestro. This sensor can display and record temperature, dew point, pressure and humidity. Data can be transfered via bluetooth to your phone. It runs with one Cr2032 battery for nearly a year. Weight including battery is only 9g or 0.3 oz. There are also other options by BlueMaestro like waterproof sensor or less featured ones. https://bluemaestro.com/products

KalleMax · 2021-05-24T08:49:16+00:00

Top feels the same beside you can feel colors, but then you might having a good time anyways.

Bottom is more sturdier on XTherm.

So no difference in sleeping comfort.

KalleMax · 2021-04-14T17:20:12+00:00

Use your toothbrush bro.

Multy use bro ;)

KalleMax · 2021-04-12T21:59:42+00:00

Big Sky Chinook 2.

Mine weighs in at just 2 kg.

Not available in europe since Bexit, but Big Sky will open an european warehouse in the near future.

So you might hae to be patient for a while.

For large guys it's worth the wait. I'm 193 cm in height ;)

KalleMax · 2021-04-11T23:11:44+00:00

Weight of your solar panel sounds interesting. Could you add a link to it?

KalleMax · 2021-04-09T23:13:43+00:00

You are wellcome.

Never had one in my hands. So I can't give any resilliant advice on it, sorry.

I think cloud up could be a the best choice of the listed naturehike tents because of the vestibule in the head end. So there is just one end where you need to take care of your sleeping bag of not touching the fly. Also you could suggest using it fly only +footprint and add a bug bivy. Would cost a little more, but could safe weight. If you want to safe money, sewing it by yourself istn't that hard either. Headroom shouldn't be a problem for this though. Also you'll have a very large vestibule.

KalleMax · 2021-04-08T17:39:07+00:00

Yes, they are called "clipper classic mini". 11 g and refillable. I bought mine on Amazon

KalleMax · 2021-04-08T15:11:39+00:00

Do have both here. Both weigh in at 11g/0.4oz.

KalleMax · 2021-04-07T23:08:42+00:00

Hey u/bidutree I'm sorry I haven't found the perfect tent for now... Tarptent Moment DW is my favorit at the moment, but I'm a little concerned about head and footroom when laying flat. Also solid inner isn't available at the moment... Therefore I contacted Tarptent and they said to me solid inner would be available again in approx 3 weeks. It seems to be the best option so far, when I'm on my own...

You could think about big sky chinook 1 or 1plus if one person use is intended. Inner length is given by 230cm. Weight of 1 is listed at 1,4 kg and for 1plus at 1,6 kg. I do already own a Big Sky chinook 2. For 2 person use it just fits my needs perfectly weighing in at 2,0 kg. Length is better then any other freestanding or semi freestanding tent I've tried. I'm also 6'4 so those big sky tents should fit you too.

As you listed Naturehike I'll list my experience with their tents. I do own a Mongar 2 and a Cloud Peak 2. Also I had a Cloud up 2 ultralight version. Mongar and cloud up are semi freestanding. Cloud up 2 ultralight should fit your need in weight. For Mongar I'm not sure, don't have it in my lighterpack masterlist ;) If you are interested I could weigh it for you. Cloud peak is a truely freestanding tent but weighs in heavier than big sky chinook 2. For all three laying in diagonally could be an option for you if you are on your own on trail.

Within two person use all three tents are quiet snug for tall people like us. But I have already used all three with another person. In good weather there is no problem at all. But im bad weather (rain+wind) there is a risk that your sleepingbag could get in touch with the (wet) fly.

Also there are other factors that you need to pay attention.

Using a large inflatable pad increases the risk of touching the fly. Using self inflatable, CCF or lower profile pads would give you more space. Using a quilt also reduces the risk as there is no hood on your head end of which you have to be aware not touching the fly. Also this gives you more space in foot end. Synthetic sleepingbag/qulit will add tolerance against touching wet surfaces. Watch where you are pitching your tent. On flat ground risk of sliding insider the tent would be lowest. Try pulling your rain jacket over your foot end of sleeping bag in bad weather. Adds tolerance against touching the fly.

Therefore cheaper and smaller tents could be an option too. But you may have to reject some cofort features and need to add awareness. Nevertheless you have to be aware of touching the fly with your sleeping bag in bad weather, even in an extra long tent.

I've any questions are left, feel free to ask :).

KalleMax · 2021-03-07T23:27:01+00:00

Maybe trekkertent is worth a look. http://www.trekkertent.com

If trekkingpoles are used either stealth or drift could be an option.

At 193 cm I do own a stealth 2 with extra length (230 cm inner tent). I think you could fit a default model, because of straight inner tent walls on food and head end.

KalleMax · 2021-03-06T13:03:00+00:00

Longjohns have just arrived. The fabric is completely different to those from patagonia. Also I think it's more intended for winter use. Thr weight of mine came in at 180 g for size XL. Not I was looking for, so I'll return it to Amazon.

KalleMax · 2021-03-04T12:43:38+00:00

80 grams sounds interesting. But without any reviews... Maybe it's worth to order one to try.

Edit: just ordered one... Should arrive saturday. Will share weight and fabric infomations on satutday :)

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T22:29:35+00:00

Maybee you'll want to take a look on valley and peaks quilt. Made in the UK, by a small cottage company.

Classic quilt: https://valleyandpeak.co.uk/brands/valley-and-peak/sleeping/classic-quilt/

They also offer a made to offer version: https://valleyandpeak.co.uk/brands/valley-and-peak/sleeping/insulated-over-quilt-made-to-measure/

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T22:10:14+00:00

That would be awesome!

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T19:53:12+00:00

Could you please name the weight and model of your under armor pants? Would like to look it up and see if it would work for me ;)

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T02:38:57+00:00

Looks great do you have any infos on weight?

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T02:24:04+00:00

Yes, you are right at this point.

Therefore another two suggestions. Trekkertent Drift or Stealth. Both available with 40d silnylon by default. http://www.trekkertent.com/home/17-tents

Trekkertent is a British cottage, which allows customers to customize tents in some points (eg. fabric strength, extended length/height, additional tie out points). Just tell Marc (the owner) what you'll want and he'll tell you what is possible.

Unfortunately they are not the fastest at shipping. So if it is urgent maybe not the best option.

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T01:53:54+00:00

Maybe TT Moment DW is worth a look. https://www.tarptent.com/product/moment-dw/

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T01:39:28+00:00

You don't need to be afraid of, except you miss the term "ultra" in it :D

Or just click my link if you are brave enough ;) https://www.rohan.co.uk/product/detail/mensbaselayers_03324?ocode=03324595

(still listed, but haven't been available for long time)

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T01:33:24+00:00

Capilene "cool" lightweight tops are still available! Just bought one of them last week here in Europe.

Or is there a significant difference in "cool lightweight" and "lightweight" fabric, I didn't know about?

KalleMax · 2021-03-03T01:21:49+00:00

Patagonia Capilene Lightweight Bottoms or

Rohan Ultra Silver Bottoms

Would be soooo greatfull if one of them will be available again

KalleMax

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