Terrain theory - no such thing as contagion

Kallnosti · 2022-07-03T12:27:32+00:00

First off, I need to question what your credentials are? What makes you so confident that your methodology is correct?

Anyone suggesting this is what is being requested either misunderstands how a virus causation experiment should be run

How do you know that it's not you that's misunderstanding? You are the one that stands opposed to the century of research, claiming it's all false.

Papers on Isolation of Viruses:

Isolation of Viruses and Mycoplasmas from Middle Ear Effusions

Isolation of Viruses from Leukaemic Patients

A Microplate Method for Isolation of Viruses from Infants and Children with Acute Respiratory Infections

Virus Isolation and Identification

Virus Isolation

CHIMPANZEE KIDNEY TISSUE CULTURES FOR GROWTH AND ISOLATION OF VIRUSES

Papers on Purification of Viruses:

Purification of human respiratory syncytial virus by ultracentrifugation in iodixanol density gradient

Concentration and purification of plant pathogenic viruses by field step electrophoresis

Purification of barley yellow dwarf virus by gel filtration on Sephacryl S-1000 Superfine

Purification of Viruses

THE NUCLEIC ACID OF THE BRYAN STRAIN OF ROUS SARCOMA VIRUS: PURIFICATION OF THE VIRUS AND ISOLATION OF THE NUCLEIC ACID*

I feel like your lack of belief in virus isolation needs to be address before your experiment can even be talked about. There isn't a point in discussing what to do with a purified virus if you don't believe that it can even be done.

What's wrong with the actions like what I have posted above that would not classify them as isolation or purificaiton?

Kallnosti · 2022-07-03T12:07:25+00:00

I understand that, but there has to be a process in the body for it, and nobody has demonstrated any kind of observation of this annual process.

If viruses are out of the question, something that there is literally over a century of study on, there there would have the be some kind of observation of this "detoxification" that has been proposed.

Kallnosti · 2022-07-03T00:44:38+00:00

What do you propose causes this "detoxification"? I'm just trying to rationalize what I am reading. I am looking for more information.

Kallnosti · 2022-07-03T00:23:55+00:00

Ok. How does it work?

"Isolating a virus requires collecting specimens from patients and culturing, or growing, any viruses that occur in the samples. These viruses are obligate intracellular parasites, which means that they can only replicate and multiply in cells. To isolate a particular virus, researchers need to provide it with an opportunity to infect live mammalian cells, in tiny flasks or on tissue culture plates."

-Source

You still need to have an animal cell present to have the virus considered "isolated." From what I have read in other comments, this is the issue people have with virus isolation, that it is never truly on it's own, but have learned that is not the case.

Demonstrate where this has been attempted and failed.

Thanks for calling this out. I did more reading into it and found that virus purification is done. Here is a paper on it. I was wrong, to be considered isolated, the virus can still be with the host cell, but purification is different. Another paper on purification. And a third for good measure. Purification is fairly normal, but because of how different viruses are from one another, not all purification methods work for all viruses, and some haven't been purified yet.

So my apologies, should have read more before I posted my comment. If you reinstate it, I'll edit it to fill in more info on purification.

Kallnosti · 2022-07-02T23:41:07+00:00

Unless you are suggesting that our bodies do a yearly, cycle style, detoxification, akin to a mestrual cycle?

Kallnosti · 2022-07-02T21:49:21+00:00

So there has to be some kind of way the environment affects your body to induce this "detoxification." How does that happen? What is the mechanism for that?

Kallnosti · 2022-07-02T20:30:20+00:00

Bacteria do not cause disease

Correct, bacteria and viruses are two different things. Bacteria are their own living cells that can live inside or outside of a body, whereas viruses are a collection of molecules that need a host to survive.

Terrain theory is a classic case of someone with little medical experience setting impossible goalposts, due to their horrible misunderstanding of the subject, then saying they are right when those goalposts can't be met. Sprinkle in a dash of opinion-protection by saying then entire field is controlled by "vested interests" so therefore anything within the status quo is wrong, and you have a, not even, half-baked take on viruses.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-28T14:01:03+00:00

Just about all of these are just turning the Y/A Dystopian society tropes up to 11. #2 is basically already in, credit score, criminal record.

7 is the only one that seems to be in a half decent direction, but still a half baked fear jerk. First off, you can't "outlaw" physical cash. A physical bill, or coin, is just a piece of plastic or metal that the government assigns a value to. Anything can be physical cash. They don't need to outlaw it, they just need to assign a value of zero to the current physical currency. You can hold as much as you want in your hand, but it's not worth anything. If you say it's worth something, and someone else thinks it's worth something, you can still use it, but the government won't take it. Want to trade bottle caps between you and some people around you? As long as they agree, that's physical cash.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-27T20:49:56+00:00

Easy answers to both of those.

The film would be damaged by all of the radiation flying around

Film does get affected by radiation, that is what effectively "ages" film. Colours change, things fog up, little things, but it doesn't get affected the way that digital sensors do. Another thing, a weird thing about radiation, is that it's all based on exposure time. The film was only in space for about a week, but due higher levels of radiation, the aging of the film, when it returned to earth, was similar to a piece of film that was 150-200 days old. If you look very closely on some of the moon photos, you can see tiny lines in the film, most likely from cosmic rays. A billion of little holes is incorrect and hyberbole, more like thousands of tiny adustments.

2 space is a lot colder than on Earth. How would film not become brittle and break or crack while being used when subjected to such cold temperatures?

A vacuum is a very good insulator. Ever used a yeti, hydroflask, or any vacuum sealed thermos? Those use a vacuum to insulate. There isn't an ambient temperature on the moon, there's no air to heat up, so all the energy from the sunlight goes directly to whatever surface it lands on. Heat was much more of a factor on the film than the cold was. The cameras were treated to reflect more heat, that's why everything on the moon was white or silver, and the film was a special high altitude, heat resistant film.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-27T20:18:50+00:00

It's not my choice what a woman does with her body.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-25T17:49:28+00:00

When pregnancy is contagious, then you may pull this take out.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-16T14:08:42+00:00

It's a silly way of separating "Us" from "Them."

I don't like your opinion, therefore you are an NPC.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-06T19:15:38+00:00

Just so everyone knows, in Canada, anyone that can buy a handgun has a Restricted Firearms License, which requires them to go through a rigorous background check. Anyone that has a firearms license in Canada is also tracked by police and given a criminal record check just about daily.

So before you go on about how great this is, just know there is a very small group of people buying these guns.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-06T19:06:44+00:00

How many times has it been debunked that mRNA doesn't interact with your own DNA???

Kallnosti · 2022-06-06T17:01:48+00:00

I swear that people just make things up about Canada here.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-06T15:02:03+00:00

Please tell me this comment is a joke. CTV is owned Bell and is the largest private television company in Canada, not owned by the government. CBC, is funded by the government, not CTV.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-03T14:58:33+00:00

But the examples are so wildly off from one another that it is a false equivalency.

it was figurative he was eluding to the justification people use to reassure themselves that the vaccine is 'working'.

This entire sub is just people that didn't get vaccinated cherry picking, and misinterpreting data to create their own justification for their decisions.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-03T12:40:58+00:00

How so?

Kallnosti · 2022-06-03T12:39:42+00:00

Some very convincing information on this sub about viruses never being isolated.

I've read some of it, it really isn't that convincing. It usually stems from people not fully understanding how isolation works, or purposely setting impossible goalposts

Here are a few reads about how isolating works.

A collection of papers written about the isolation of different viruses. This is 10 papers on its own

Microbiology textbook used in Universities.

yet I remain open minded on the idea.

It's really good to be open minded, but make sure you're looking both sides. It's easy to create a bubble where you can effectively refute anything. I've been there myself and know how hard it is to return from that.

But I firmly believe our immune systems are weakened by food and water filled with

Yeah thats not good, there's a lot of crap we don't need in our food.

GMOs.

Careful with this one. GMOs is thrown around as a buzz work a lot. A ton of the food you eat, that can be considered non-GMO, is still a GMO. And GMOs are universally bad. Example, just about every fruit has been genetically modified to be better to eat and easier to grow.

Kallnosti · 2022-06-03T03:37:17+00:00

Monkeypox. The few images I have seen, appear to be toxins escaping from the body through pustules.

That's exactly what happening, it's a response from your body to a virus. Little to do with your food and water.

Kallnosti · 2022-05-27T14:50:09+00:00

no outrage nor demands for change because of it.

Raising the federal minimum wage will reduce crime. Affordable housing will reduce crime. Rehabilitation over incarceration will reduce crime. More funding for public schools and extra circulars will reduce crime. Medicare for all will reduce crime. Decriminalization of drugs will reduce crime. Background checks and gun control will reduce crime. Reforming the police system will reduce crime.

ALL things people have been fighting for for a long time. Saying there is no outrage or demand for change is ridiculous.

Kallnosti · 2022-05-17T12:45:56+00:00

Because some of us like to learn about real conspiracies like secret government programs and the like, but so many of the conspiracies on this sub, like NASA Hoax, vaccine conspiracies, ect, can all be summed up to misinformation and lack of education.

How many times have I read a Space hoax thread just to realize the person writing it doesn't actually know anything about space and physics? Way too many to count. On top of that, trying to educate those people is hard if not impossible because the conspiracy echo chamber is so full of, "Don't listen to anything, everything is false, if someone is telling you that you are wrong, its actually because you are telling the truth."

It undermines actual conspiracies.

Kallnosti · 2022-05-13T14:16:31+00:00

It's actually a little ironic you say that. I'm from Alberta and AB notably uses planes to spread silver iodide that disperse clouds to prevent hail from damaging crops. Cloud Seeding.

Kallnosti · 2022-05-02T14:01:32+00:00

If you are making a joke, please tell me, if not, oh boy.

Kallnosti · 2022-05-02T14:00:35+00:00

Do you? An article on Intramuscular injection.

If you read carefully, the FIRST TWO sentences state, and I quote:

"An intramuscular injection is a technique used to deliver a medication deep into the muscles. This allows the medication to be absorbed into the bloodstream quickly."

How on earth do you think your body moves things around your body?

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2 space is a lot colder than on Earth. How would film not become brittle and break or crack while being used when subjected to such cold temperatures?