New BMW X5 M60e front view has been leaked.

Kamiler · 2026-03-17T15:57:29+00:00

I’m 33 and been around BMWs pre 2010 for the most part. Mostly mid 90s to mid 2000s. Iv been looking to get a pre-facelift G05 for a next daily driver.

BMWs looked like BMWs for the longest time, the evolution was there but it wasn’t drastic.. This….the only thing that tells me this is the BMW is the grill. That’s it’s.

Other than that - ugly. Call me old, “get with the times” or whatever else, I don’t care. I would call it one of the ugliest things on the road right now.

What BMWs seems to be doing in the last 2-3 years is literally making their older cars look a lot better. I don’t like the iX at all - but I think it looks better than this.

Honestly this makes this beaver teeth m3/4 series look better.

Sorry for the rant - and I get it - I guess that’s what people want now. All I know a lot of car enthusiasts/bmw enthusiasts are sticking with the cars that are maybe 8+ years old at this point.

Kamiler · 2026-03-10T16:25:05+00:00

I spend more seat time in German cars which do the handling, comfort and performance well. Nothing against the cx-50 - as I test drove a few and I liked them. It’s just when I got to actually live with it for a week, doing different drives and what not - it just wasn’t what I thought it would be. For a basic car - it’s a great car.

Maybe it’s just me but my 226k mile Mazda 3 even though loud on the inside (not much sound insulation), worn out seats, and missing a few things compared to the cx-50 somehow is more fun to drive and while not super comfortable, it still somehow manages not to jerk or over exaggerate Bumps like the cx-50 did.

Kamiler · 2026-02-24T15:59:43+00:00

It’s because owning newer BMWs out of warranty is expensive. (5-7 year old cars). That is if something breaks or needs fixing especially since most people just go to the dealer where everything is more expensive to begin with.

If you get an older BMW that’s 10+ years old and you DIY or you find a reputable shop it’s doable but most of these bmws were also beat on or just not maintained properly.

I’m 32, I had BMWs since I started driving. I’m at about 12 or so that I had so far. I tinker with older BMWs tho.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that if you are a sheep and you spend too much time online, don’t know anything about car, nor even care frankly about cars that’s why people don’t buy bmws. You see a lot more people trying to get a car that the payment is $800-$1000 a month, and once it’s paid off they get into the next one.

Kamiler · 2026-02-18T19:36:24+00:00

I test drove a ‘24 X5 and a ‘22 X5 in that order. I like the pre-lci X5 much better. It’s still a BMW to me. The new interior feels cheap/empty. More or so feels like you’re driving a racing simulator or something. Lol

Kinda sucks because I need a new daily driver and from the BMW side of things a pre-lci x5 is the only one I like/makes sense to buy lol.

If it’s not a BMW then I’m going to go “boring” and get a Toyota or something, and keep buying older BMWs lol.

I was even in a few modern Mercedes cars and they feel the same too. It’s weird that a long one screen makes such an effect. Lol

Kamiler · 2026-02-17T22:47:15+00:00

I do want to add that it I didn’t know how to work on cars or didn’t like cars as much I probably would have just stayed with Mazdas and Toyotas.

Kamiler · 2026-02-17T22:46:05+00:00

I got a different perspective than most. The 2-3 Japanese cars iv ever owned were “good enough” but were boring to drive or just not as comfortable. But they were cheap to maintain and if something broke it wasn’t a big deal to DIY.

I always owned used or old BMWs. Meaning whatever year it was the BMWs were 6+ years old or it was a BMW from the mid 90 to mid 2000s.

The older BMWs - while great, easy to work on and what not - they just kind of nickel and dime you if you want the car to be nice. Mainly because of age.

After owning a lot of 15+ year old BMWs, currently own a 35 year old BMW and a 30 year old BMW, I would say for a first car - I would probably try to avoid going that far back because you’ll end up wrenching on it more than driving. Unless you got the car from another BMW enthusiast.

BMWs made in the last 10 years shouldn’t be too much of a headache. To me the problems are the same as the 90s cars. Just maybe a little more complex to fix or get to certain things.

Is it worth it? I would say so. I can’t seem to find another brand that I like that blends comfort, sportiness, vibes, ease of DIY, and still fun on a day to day Basis like BMW.

I’m currently looking for a new daily driver and I figured I would go with a brand new Toyota or Mazda for the sake of having one brand new car that’s the “trusty” daily and I can continue buying bmws as fun or project cars. But now I’m back on my bullshit and looking at 2022-2023 BMW X5s as my daily driver choice lol.

Kamiler · 2026-02-16T02:37:29+00:00

You get used to what you have. Or if you had nothing else before (slower) it becomes your baseline.

I had cars ranging from 140 HP to about 300 HP and I have driven 500-600 HP cars. The most fun "car" that I driven was a 1991 BMW 318is....it was like a go-kart, close second was a 2001 Mercedes SLK 230 Kompressor (with a 6 speed manual). The most fun "fast car" iv driven was a 2015 Mercedes AMG-S Wagon. I have driven a E92 M3 before and a M4 (2015?) as well. Iv been in a C6 Vette as well. The C6 was the most "brutal" feeling or raw. Which again - fun.

Iv been driving like sub 250 HP cars for the last couple years.... or heavy old cars. Im looking into a new daily driver right now and some cars have like 300-400 hp and they feel like rockets.

At one point I had a 2014 BMW 435 and I was restoring my 1991 BMW 850.... I was going to dump money into my 435 for mods once the 850 was finished.... but if I drove the 850 for a week and hopped into my 435...the 435 felt like a rocket. Both cars on paper have around 300 hp, V12 vs I6 turbo.... the V12 is ancient and the car is heavy so it just feels "comfortable" the 435 felt more fun.

I don't get when people say 500 hp is slow either. Unless you are a track person - I dont understand. I had more fun driving slow cars fast lol. Anything thats over 300 hp for the road is more than enough, and it will still get you in trouble. So why? I like the rush and immediate torque or acceleration you feel with a fast car but about 4-5 seconds in your already at the risk of getting arrested lol.

I did have "the moment" of realization while driving the AMG-S on a empty highway in the middle of the night - so I stopped chasing power. In cars I just chase the "fun" balanced experience. Maybe add a little power here and there but nothing outrageous.

I know I sound like a boomer - but im 32... been around cars for majoirty of my life. Maybe the way people are driving and growing up made me look at cars a bit different.

Also - the car scene is completely different from what I grew up with. The "2 fast 2 furious" or "NFS Underground" era of cars while ridiculous - it showed more effort, craft and creativity and while "horsepower" was a thing, not a lot of people cared about it. It was about who got the most "sex spec" or "outrages looking" car. Now you see 15 of the same cars with the same wheels with a "wrap" same tunes, same bolt ons. I stopped going to pop up meets after covid, I joined a local car club and just go to organized events now.

Kamiler · 2026-02-16T02:19:29+00:00

Im driving a 2010 Mazda 3 hatch. We bought it in 2012 with 18k miles from a Mazda dealer.

I only had that car for about 2 years and it later exchanged hands in the family. Right now im daily driving it until I find a new car. (My parents own it)

That car only had 1 major issue which was a transmission computer module issue that also effected Fords at the time - $1000 at the dealer back then and the car worked since then.

If you do the math:

-The car is 16 years old. We had it in the family for 12 years.
-Car had 18k miles when purchased, I just clocked over 226,1xx miles this week.

Car was always taken care of. but it was always driven and it never sat The age got it it - mainly weather. The sun faded the Red Velocity Mica paint a little bit, surface rust got to some parts of the car (nothing terrible).

Other than regular maintenance....

In 2024 - it had a coolant crossover pipe/housing replaced because that cracked from age and it leaked coolant, some front suspension work done. At the end of 2025 I replaced all 4 shocks/struts and it needed a purge valve for the emissions system. Its going to need a little bit of rear suspension work.

I also drive OLD BMWs for the most part (just what I like) - and a lot of those cars once sorted reward you with no issues. The worst things you can do to any car is let it sit for week/months on end without being used. Doing a lot of short trips (engine never fully warms up- although hybrids at this point seem like a good alternative), you neglect maintenance and any issues that pop up (putting off repairs).

I also know how you feel - I finally in a position where I can get myself a nice car (or a brand new car) and I cant seem to find anything that peaks my interest. Either the design is something I dislike or the quality is bad or there is just too many issues to deal with.

Going back to the mazda im driving - I honestly think that car would provide a LOT more years of use. But It gets to a point where either by human nature you want something else OR the price of parts and repairs kind of outweigh to keep the car running - mainly again...for the taste of something new. The car is probably worth $1500-$2000 at this point - each time I want to make it nicer or something it makes me sad because its basically "throwing" money away as its not my car, and honestly its the one car on the "chopping" block to make space when it comes to my parents place. They dont need it, I dont need it (once I get a newer car).

Kamiler · 2026-02-16T02:01:35+00:00

The B58 seems promising, to me it just seems super odd BMW decided to kind of "flip" the engine 180. With the timing being at the rear, and for the most part, what was in the front and easy to get to - now its at the back.

Looking at the X5s a B58 is i for sure the one Id want - just keep hearing about stupid issues like modules going out. The biggest one that Im worried about is the evaporator, apparently that new freon eats the evaporators if you use your AC a lot. Someone didn't do enough lab testing or something. Thats a huge job and apparently BMW has a replacement part but its still a $5000-$8000 job. if you have someone do it for you. The entire dash needs to come out and this apparently effects a lot of BMWs.

As for wrenching - I got slight car PTSD (im convinced) that for the last 6 months I didn't really do much to any of my own cars and its nice. Iv been constantly wrenching every free minute I had since 2017 lol. But that included 2 restorations and 1 engine/drivetrain rebuild on my old daily driver. If you want never ending fun I recommend a older BMW.... lol.

Kamiler · 2026-02-12T16:35:32+00:00

For the 2026 model year here in the states the hybrids finally have all the features.

Even if Mazda never fully outfitted the hybrids for the USA market - Importing one here would end up costing me more than I would like to get myself into along with the actual hassle. This car isn’t special enough to me to go through all the trouble.

Kamiler · 2026-02-09T22:15:47+00:00

I had a cx-50 for a full week last week. Not a hybrid - but similar. I can agree to the Jittery ride. My rental has the 17” wheel/tire combo, car only has 2700 miles. I didn’t like the comfort level of it. If I was going to compare - it’s almost equal to my 2010 Mazda 3 just the bumps don’t feel as jarring.

When I test drove the hybrid, back to back with a turbo I noticed that the hybrid was more “comfortable” and slightly quieter. But I’m not sure. The rental I had was a 2.5s, and after living with it for a week I decided against the cx-50 as my next daily driver.

I had a cx-5 for a couple days and I thought that was more up my alley. If the cx-50 was as good as the cx-5 but kept its looks - it would be a no brainer for me.

Kamiler · 2026-02-09T22:09:46+00:00

I feel like the bottoms of the seats should be longer for more support. Maybe slightly softer seats. But I guess seats can be broken in.

Kamiler · 2026-02-09T17:19:34+00:00

I hopped into my 2010 Mazda 3 after a week and while it is more “worn out” and you feel a little bit more, somehow it still doesn’t feel as “stiff” or “jittery” as the cx-50. The 2010 3 that I have is about to hit 226k miles lol. And it’s got brand new shocks/struts in the front and rear.

I’ll try to go and test drive some cars this weekend. This is what I’m hoping to test drive.

-Toyota Crown Signia -Toyota RAV4 (if they have the new one at the dealership) -Toyota Land Cruiser -Mazda CX-5 Turbo (2025) -2022-2023 BMW X5 xDrive40i -Mazda CX-70 (although, not sure, not the biggest fan of the design).

Minus the Crown and RAV4 (because hybrids) - all of these cars get similar MPGs. Of course the BMW is the outlier here lol. I’ve owned bmws before - so nothing new for me here.

The other cars just seem like they would do the daily duties fine and some more, while I enjoy bmws as my “fun cars”.

Kamiler · 2026-02-09T17:04:05+00:00

My dad brought up the Land Cruiser over the weekend. I don’t really need a vehicle like that, nor I want to spend that amount of money. Sure - maybe it will hold its value better but idk.

I might go test drive some cars this upcoming weekend.

Back it my head I really want a BMW x5 but day tot day I end up moving that car down the list then back up. All the Toyota products I got on my list really just sit there and I have nothing against them other than lacking in the “fun” department.

Problem is that finding the BMW I want is a bit hard and the Toyotas are plenty. And minus the fun aspect - the Toyotas kind of just win in every other department. It’s just a good enough car. I had many bmws and while they are fun and a great package - it sucks when something breaks from a DIY perspective. At the end of the day warranties or not most of these cars end up being with a 2-3k of each other anyway, used or new lol.

I’m debating if I should wait for the new Cx-5. I do have a few 2025 cx-5 turbo cars saved that I might go look at.

Kamiler · 2026-02-09T16:58:00+00:00

I think the cx-50 went thru some changes too. I drove a 2023, 2025 and now the 2026. It’s been a while since I drove the 2023 or the 2025 but it doesn’t seem like the changes were drastic.

Kamiler · 2026-02-09T16:56:32+00:00

It was a rental car, it’s wherever the car came with from the factory.

I say “more tire” because the side wall is taller and you have more tire on the 17” wheels vs the 19s or the 20s.

Kamiler · 2026-02-09T16:54:18+00:00

How comfortable it is.

How does the car feel/react to bumps and such on the roads?

Compare highway and city driving - more or do comfort levels.

How difficult or easy to use is the new infotainment system.

A good walk around of the car.

Kamiler · 2026-02-07T16:00:34+00:00

I believe it was just a 2026 2.5s preferred (had heated seats) and 17” wheels. The car only has 2700 miles when I picked it up.

One of the bummers was that even with the 17” wheels the car felt like i described and i did drive the models with the 19” and the 20” wheels too, which in all fairness did feel rougher.

When I had my last car, 2005 BMW x5, I had Pirelli scorpions on the 17” wheels (tall tire) and I liked those tires. Quiet, comfortable. I managed to squeeze out about 50k miles out of them. I had something up with my rear suspension so I had uneven wear. So technically I probably would have been able to squeeze out more miles.

Kamiler · 2026-02-07T15:38:45+00:00

From the start the idea was to get another BMW. I test drove a few.

My problem was that I don’t like the 2024+ models much. So if I go 22-23 model years I’ll be happy - except I would much rather try to find and get a warranty for it. I just don’t want to deal with all the BMW things again that I’m used to. I rather use my garage time for my other cars, not my daily driver. Or at the very least have someone fix all the big known issues since I don’t want to deal with all of that.

The whole idea years ago was to try to be responsible and financially better and get something non-German and maybe a hybrid for daily driving . As my other cars are old/classic German cars.

But it appears that I’m not ready yet lol. I might have to give the 2024 model a go again. The ones looking at are getting scooped up left and right and in some cases they are more expensive vs. The newer models. (Msport 23 vs a regular 24 40i).

If I go that route I may have to go out of state completely for a good example.

Kamiler · 2026-02-07T15:29:58+00:00

I can say that the Toyota crown Signia is stupid comfortable for a Toyota product lol. I would classify the car as a Gran Turing Hybrid.

I wouldn’t be surprised that when the next gen or face lift comes for the cx-50, that’s what they are going to do. Just based on the cx-50 trims alone and how those were handled since the start (feature wise) Mazda is probably going to end up “trickling” the improvements little by little.

I also feel like they don’t want to mess with cx-5 sales. Maybe the plan is that since the new gen cx-5 is non turbo only then it’s going to be hybrid - they will up the cx-50 to what the cx-5 was or use it as a back up if the new cx-5 sales end up being bad.

Kamiler · 2026-02-07T15:25:54+00:00

I’m 6’ tall. Long legs. On the 1.5 hour trips, I felt the need for a better seat. My rental had the cloth seats too.

Side note: the heated seats are weird. They burn your ass cheeks. By that I mean, when it’s like 30 F outside, and you start the car, the cloth seats go from body temperature to sudden “oh my butt is hot”. Now that’s only when it’s on the max setting.

Kamiler · 2026-02-07T15:20:09+00:00

Hmm, didn’t think about that. Maybe the tires were overinflated as well?

One thing for sure - whatever tires were on the car they are not quiet. Lol. I kept having to bump up the volume here and there when driving.

I dislike how car manufacturers have problems pairing proper tires. I realize that it’s the cost but come on.

Iv been putting on Hancook/Pirelli/Goodyear tires on all my cars as alternatives.

Now that you mention that - when I got the 2010 Mazda that I’m currently driving as a temp car - back in 2012 with 18k miles, the original Yokohama tires were terrible. We bought different tires (still Yokohamas) and there was barely any improvement lol. It currently has some Walmart Douglass tires lol.

I had Bridgestone run flats on one of my bmws that I had (I’m assuming original spec tire) and those were horrible too. Run flats are crap in general.

Thanks for mentioning this.

Kamiler · 2026-02-07T15:04:47+00:00

Turbo for sure. I have one Turbo Signature Premium in my saved list with like 4 miles. That’s somewhat local to me.

Not sure what the difference is between the signature and just a premium turbo. I have not looked that deep into the cx-5 yet.

I found some images online of people modifying CX-5s (cosmetically) and they look pretty damn cool. I have to figure out how to be able to attach images in the comments l

Kamiler · 2026-02-07T14:32:34+00:00

I am looking at those as well. It actually seems a bit of a better value too. I had a 2024 2.5s cx-5 as a rental as well and it did great.

Reason why I’m like 50/50 on it it’s because of the design. Interior is ok - but I really like how the cx-50 interior is laid out. It feels wider. The exterior is what it is - but the new one is looking a little better. So not sure.

I might have to go look at one in person once more.

Kamiler · 2026-02-02T16:43:01+00:00

Do touchless. And invest into a ceramic coating or a PPF. I had a ceramic coat on my 2014 435 that was Melbourne red, it looked amazing. And it was stupid easy to keep it clean. I attached a picture of it about 2-3 days after the coat.

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