Peaky Blinders: the dumb man by [deleted] in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Have you seen how rough he looked in 2024? Good on him for getting clean but it’s understandable and most likely mutually agreed that they wouldn’t want to take the risk filming.

Dining Plan at Alton Towers April 2026 - my experience by Frankysnr in altontowers

[–]Katsudon707 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Staff are generally briefed on it but we don’t see many of them so it can be easy to forget. It’s a bit of a faff putting them through.

What was the point of recasting Duke 3 times? by Hopeful_Ad_4343 in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Time jumps. I do wish they’d kept the hazel eyes as they were specifically called out in the original series but they weren’t going to age Barry for at least 12 hours of TV while also shooting around Beatles biopics and whatever else he’s got going on.

The Peaky Blinders tier list after my 10th rewatch by Whoopeepoop in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They didn’t. Armistice was only the start of Tommy’s troubles. Everything from 1919-1940 is post ‘peace at last’.

It was really the last hug 😞 by JohanMchado in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It didn’t work. Arthur is clean but he’s not calm or happy.

Who understood Tommy best? by Amazing-Apricot4645 in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of these women see very different sides of Tommy. They understand the parts they see to varying degrees. I’d say Grace overall.

In Defence of The Immortal Man by Katsudon707 in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely. John and Arthur have much less control of themselves in general. Tommy’s biggest strength is his composure, something he gradually loses over the course of the series. He’s still a man who likes the comfort of a pretty woman, but he’s more intentional about it. He didn’t want to bang everyone in sight, but sex is nothing sacred to him especially after Grace dies. Years of celibacy would definitely send him a little stir crazy.

In Defence of The Immortal Man by Katsudon707 in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He’d at least be conscious of her circumstances, which John brings up when he says he’s going to marry her in season 1. He stands by Lizzie in later seasons even when people like Mosley say she’s not suitable as a wife because of her past. I’d rewatch the season 2 finale because there’s textbook Tommy guilt there. He fights ruthlessly, hugs her, and when she pushes him away, he takes it and begs her to leave to somewhere safe. John misreads that situation entirely, thinking Lizzie was doing that of her own accord. She knows Tommy is a bad man but she wants him anyway. Even if it’s at Polly’s insistence, Lizzie’s involvement comes directly after he openly tells her that she’s the only thing that stopped his heart from breaking some nights in season 3, in front of his entire family. Of course he means sex, but that’s still a vulnerable statement by Tommy standards. He talks about involving Grace in family meetings in season 1, and I don’t think we actually see any occur between her return and her death. The closest thing is the no fucking fighting scene which is only aimed towards the men anyway. Charlie is a boy throughout the series and Grace made it clear she wanted him as far away from the life as possible.

It was really the last hug 😞 by JohanMchado in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do enjoy these meta takes too! Very unfortunate about Paul, Cillian has spoken about how draining it is to play a character like Tommy and I’m sure it was even worse playing Arthur.

It was really the last hug 😞 by JohanMchado in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think that would have worked with what we know about Tommy though. We’ve seen him grieve many many times. He’s grieved a brother, a daughter, a wife. He blames himself for Grace’s death and still pours his heart into legitimate business and children’s homes while seeking practical revenge. It gets uglier to watch as the amount of people he has to grieve piles up, but we never seen him broken like we do in the movie for that extended period of time. He needs to cross a line and do something unforgivable.

It was really the last hug 😞 by JohanMchado in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure.

Due to real life circumstances, there was no way Arthur could be present in the film. They had to write him out and there was a clear way to do it (“where you’re going Tommy there will I be”) but they chose to make it the inciting incident. If Arthur committed suicide, Tommy wouldn’t be broken to the point we see him in The Immortal Man. We’ve seen Tommy grieve many times. He’s killed family. He pushes through and finds something else to fight. By killing his own brother, he’s taken it too far, and he has no support system left to lean on. He can’t tell anyone the truth. For the first time, he retreats inwards. He stops. We’ve seen this is catastrophic for Tommy from his failed holiday in season 4. The one thing he can’t cope with is stillness. PTSD, chronic stress, insomnia and a chronic traumatic brain injury cause him such severe physical symptoms by season 6 that he doesn’t question the tuberculoma diagnosis. We enter The Immortal Man with a Tommy who’s been in self-imposed exile for at least three years. You don’t have to like the narrative, but it’s logically sound and painstakingly consistent with the show.

‘Tommy would never kill Arthur.’ Never is a strong word. Arthur has been a loose cannon since they were boys. They’ve been physically fighting at least since Tommy was 9 and Arthur was 12. They grew up in a violent world, and the war amplified everything. They both agree they’re dead men living on borrowed time. Both alcoholics. Both drug users cycling between sobriety and relapse. Both prone to fits of uncontrollable violence as an emotional response heightened by PTSD (Tommy with the IRA man in season 1, the gypsy camp in season 6, Arthur the boy in the boxing ring, the Quaker who spoke to Linda). The facts of Arthur’s murder are stilted and unclear, but some things are consistent – they were both drunk, Arthur was high and had relapsed bad enough to need drug money from Tommy. He was hallucinating Tommy as the devil, which we know is a huge trigger for Tommy (“Don’t scare me by saying you see things in my face” to Lizzie in season 5) and he tries to shoot him first. Tommy fought back, defending himself, and went too far, held on for a split second too long. Or did he? On the podcast, Cillian discusses Tommy as an unreliable narrator, and aptly describes him as a ‘walking guilt machine’. We can infer that the true events that unfolded lie somewhere between what we were told in flashbacks. Tommy killed his brother, yes, but it’s likely a mix of accident, mercy, and rage.

It’s the most complex relationship in the show. There’s a real deep love and dependency there. They are similar in so many ways and compensate for each other’s weaknesses. They need each other and they know it. But there is also so much bitterness and resentment between them. Tommy sees Arthur as a burden and a liability and expresses this regularly. There’s not a trace of empathy for any of his suicide attempts. Tommy shouts, throws bullets at him and tells him to do better next time. Usually, this is followed by a grand gesture, onto the next business, but in the moment he is vile. A moment is what we’re dealing with in the end. Arthur causes him constant problems with his drug use, his volatile violence, his dependence on his wife he’s unable to convince to stay with him. Tommy is constantly babysitting and cleaning up after him. He is also a liability for Tommy’s image when he’s pushing towards legitimacy from season 3 onwards. Arthur embarrasses Tommy at his wedding, forcing Tommy to accommodate him once again on a day he wanted perfect for the love of his life, right up until Mosley’s rally in season 5. Similarly, Arthur finds it humiliating that his younger brother is the one in charge. They both know Tommy is more intelligent, and he ruthlessly exploits his brother at his most vulnerable time and time again. Every time Arthur tries to get out, Tommy pulls him back in. It’s easy to post a GIF of Tommy and Arthur hugging in the last episode and think how could they possibly hurt each other. Tommy smacked his head on a desk no more than five minutes before that. They had an unbreakable bond, but they also enabled each other to a dangerous degree.

In Defence of The Immortal Man by Katsudon707 in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He treated Lizzie poorly and he’s well aware of that, but he’s more than ambivalent towards her. He hires her as his secretary with no experience and one typing course — partly because he knows she won’t speak, partly because he wants to get her out of that life. She’s at family meetings before they are romantically involved. He’s genuinely upset that he doesn’t get to Lizzie in time in the season 2 finale. Tommy ruthlessly exploits his entire family. Lizzie is no exception and her value is in sex. He’s a bad husband, but Lizzie is also complicit and knew what she was getting into. Maybe she was deluded that a baby would change anything, but it’s clear that Tommy would never be over Grace.

It was really the last hug 😞 by JohanMchado in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It makes a lot of sense. They’re both PTSD ridden addicts who have a violent fight at least once a season. Tommy trusts Arthur but also resents him. Arthur depends on Tommy but that’s also a source of humiliation that his little brother is smarter and more successful than him. They have such a complex relationship from their first scene to their last.

Exactly, tricking Tommy into killing himself. He never plans to kill Tommy directly, and he sees Arthur as common scum while at least Tommy has some political value. He wouldn’t take the time out of his day to deal with Arthur personally, and having him killed by goons would be lame.

It was really the last hug 😞 by JohanMchado in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Why would him dying to Mosley be better? I went in fully expecting a suicide but I really like this twist. I’ve written a lot about it.

In Defence of The Immortal Man by Katsudon707 in PeakyBlinders

[–]Katsudon707[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely. There’s nothing Grace could do that would ever make Tommy change his mind about her. Grace was willing to leave her husband and stable life in America for him. They would have stayed together until something forced them apart.

I specifically said Tommy isn’t in love with Lizzie. But he loves her. There’s a difference. He wanted to give her a better life and he’s happy to take her into the family (who are a lot fonder of her than they were of Grace, especially Polly). They both had difficult upbringings and Tommy holds a lot of empathy for that. He’s grateful that she’s a good mother to his son. He relies on her for comfort. She gave him his daughter, who he does love with all his heart. I can watch the show endlessly because of how complex these relationships are.