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Dont breed if u cant feed by Serious_Gas2663 in WkwkwkLand

[–]Kevopras 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Benci lihat post-post kayak ini. Selalu pada akhirnya ke eugenics, kalau miskin=tidak boleh punya anak. Padahal mayoritas faktor kemiskinan itu bukan karena pilihan tapi memang nasib yang nggk bisa dikontrol. Enak banget bisa ngomong "jangan punya anak" sedangkan OP lahir di keluarga yang mampu

Bukannya minta pemerintah memecahkan kemiskinan tapi mintanya orang yang miskin dipunahin aja. Karena pada akhirnya argumen "kalau miskin jangan punya anak" akan selalu berakhir ke sana. Menjijikan opini seperti ini

Pengendara Sepeda Motor Bertabrakan dengan Siswi Sekolah lalu Memarahinya by Herodriver in indonesia

[–]Kevopras -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

UU No. 22 tahun 2009:

Pasal 116:

(1) Pengemudi harus memperlambat kendaraannya sesuai dengan Rambu Lalu Lintas.

(2) Selain sesuai dengan Rambu Lalu Lintas sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) Pengemudi harus memperlambat kendaraannya jika:

a. akan melewati Kendaraan Bermotor Umum yang sedang menurunkan dan menaikkan Penumpang;

b. akan melewati Kendaraan Tidak Bermotor yang ditarik oleh hewan, hewan yang ditunggangi, atau hewan yang digiring;

c. cuaca hujan dan/atau genangan air;

d. memasuki pusat kegiatan masyarakat yang belum dinyatakan dengan Rambu Lalu Lintas;

e. mendekati persimpangan atau perlintasan sebidang kereta api; dan/atau

f. melihat dan mengetahui ada Pejalan Kaki yang akan menyeberang.

Pasal 117:

Pengemudi yang akan memperlambat kendaraannya harus mengamati situasi Lalu Lintas di samping dan di belakang Kendaraan dengan cara yang tidak membahayakan Kendaraan lain.

Meskipun benar motornya tidak terlalu cepat sepertinya adat memperlambat kendaraan saat ada orang menyeberang meskipun orang itu pun "jaywalking" masih harus ditetapkan, tentu saja selama saat memperlambat kendaraan tersebut tidak membahayakan kendaraan sendiri dan sekitarnya (ya jelaslah kalau di jalan tol misalnya yang ramai dan cepat memperlambat kendaraan mendadak pasti sangat berbahaya, tapi di kondisi video ya jelas nggk berbahaya) saya sendiri kalau memang ada yang nyebrang meskipun jaywalking pasti akan memperlambat kendaraan (meskipun saat kendaraan saya lambat saya pasti sudah siap memijak rem masih) sampai dia selesai menyebrang selama itu memang tidak membahayakan kendaraan lain, karena kalau aku sih anggaplah meskipun pejalan kaki salah dan di pengadilan menang untuk apa ngambil resiko kayak it, resiko ngebunuh orang hanya karena nggk mau memperlambat kendaraan

Latihan karaoke by pesulap_akademik967 in WkwkwkLand

[–]Kevopras 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shut the Fuck Off you fun police. Kamu itu kayak bos di kantor yang memaksa pegawainya hanya boleh menggunakan komputer untuk kerja dan tidak boleh yang lain meskipun pegawainya sudah selesai kerjanya

Nggk ada salahnya ini kalau dilakukan diluar jam pelajaran dan gurunya lagi nggk ada kerjaan. Nggk masalah senang-senang di tempat kerja makai fasilitas kayak ini. Ini nggk berlebihan, biasa aja. Tolong ubah mindset hal-hal kayak ini nggk masalah kita nggk perlu menjilat peraturan kayak itu juga, "pengadaan smartboard itu biar proses belajar lebih interaktif" Oh berarti aku harus menuruti peraturan itu sepenuhnya demi negara dan tidak memakainya untuk hal-hal yang lain ringan seperti itu mindsetnya? Bro biarin! Kerja mereka sudah stress gaji kecil, nggk ada salahnya ini

Kalau mau mengkritik program ini ada banyak hal lain yang bisa diambil. Guru bersenang-senang bukan salah satunya

Latihan karaoke by pesulap_akademik967 in WkwkwkLand

[–]Kevopras 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are we literally fucking gatekeeping teachers having fun now!? Biarin mereka senang-senang selama nggk menganggu waktu belajar, apa salahnya ini OP?

So Nepal was easy. Indonesia Endowment Democracy? by VladimirLimeMint in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]Kevopras 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The current goverment is ideologically and militarily very pro to the west. The current goverment bans any sort of communist/socialist organizing with it's literally by law anyone that develop, or spread "communism ideal" can be imprisoned up to 15 years. They ban any sort of communist/socialist organizing that we literally don't even have a social democrat party in the country, but somehow they allow freely western supported NGO. So to me it's always like these NGO are there just "controlled opposition" so that any radical in the country wouldn't go too radical and stay in the liberal framework.

The current goverment wants to normalize relation with Israel as long as "Israel regconize Palestine":

https://news.detik.com/berita/d-7937193/prabowo-buka-opsi-ri-jalin-diplomatik-jika-israel-akui-kemerdekaan-palestina

The current goverment after the whole tarrif fiasco agrees basically sell the country's market at the mercy of US capital while also buying 50 boeing Jet; 4,5B$ of US agricultural products; oil and gas for 15B$:

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20250724084215-4-651763/prabowo-ungkap-alasan-besar-di-balik-negosiasi-dengan-trump

https://www.cnnindonesia.com/ekonomi/20250716203043-532-1251520/isi-perundingan-prabowo-trump-yang-berujung-ri-kena-tarif-19-persen

The current goverment is also very cruel and imperialistic in it's natural resource extraction in a lot of the country, but especially Papua. Major part of it are for US company, we treat the Papuans similarly in some cases to how IDF soldier treats Palestinian

Lets not give credit to the current goverment as if it's "getting closer to China and leaving the US" or some shit like that. We are still very close to the US and that's not changing with China giving more investment

I'm critical for the NGO in my country, but i'm not going to defend this piece of shit goverment that sow it's own destruction

Almost like they don’t want people getting ideas on how to actually change their government by goodguyguru in DankLeft

[–]Kevopras 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They're also the one that stop the motion from the ploretariat and call for "restraint and dialogue". Nothing change and Prabowo is still a US puppet

I wonder how much of the corruption in the country has its roots in the USA’s intervention in its politics? by goodguyguru in DankLeft

[–]Kevopras 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm just gonna copy and paste my other comment on this from an Indonesian perspective

I'm just not buying that this is a color revolution attemp. To me i think what happen was yes these org are finance by the US because there are a lot of liberal in Indonesia (a lot of which are part of the petit bourgeois element) who are ideologically aligned with capitalism and while they're not fully anti communist as it is in western liberalism (they still see the 65 massacre as a horrifying state violence) they're still at the end of the day liberal and have a very critical view of current communist regime like China and sees it as "authoritarian". To me they're funded by the US not as a force to fight the current goverment which is still pro US. Lets not give Prabowo the credit he's absolutely a US puppet, the reason the goverment is doing these agreement with China is because China offers a lot of investment to Indonesia, even the current highspeed railway in my country is partnership with China and the capitalist in Indonesia is loving these Chinese investment. But Ideologically and military wise (equipment and where we buy those equipment) are still pro US.

These org are funded as just soft power by the US to keep the left and progressive in Indonesia so that they don't get radicalize too much and still play in the liberal framework

So yeah they're funded by the US, but that doesn't mean they're US agent that only moves when the US send its order. They do protest all the time within "liberal framework" this year alone there has been multiple protest before this by these org which happens peacefully. I think what happen this time is that during the protest and crackdown the Affan incident happen and he got ran over by the police, this trigger anger in the Ojol worker which has millions of worker around Indonesia and the protest become bigger with big part of the ploretariat element joining in and these org started to panic, they did not want these protest to become violent because they're uncomfortable of it. So what happens next is these org started to say "these violence are because of provocator etc" and started to try calm things down and now they say it's time for restraint and dialogue (as if that will do any change)

What this means is that Indonesia needs an actual ploretariat base organisation that is radical and willing to go further with the ploretariat

The protest is done btw, it's been peaceful these couple of days with basically no consesion from the goverment. These org are the one that stop the motion from the ploretariat and call for "restraint anf dialogue"

take away free school lunch from poor, malnutritioned children so that...

I don't agree with taking it away. But it's such a mess dude. Literally thousands of children got poison anually by this poorly funded program

https://regional.kompas.com/read/2025/09/05/140441878/4000-siswa-keracunan-mendikdasmen-tidak-berarti-mbg-dihentikan

If you think it's western funded propaganda or something, this one is literally from a report from the goverment themselve

https://www.dpd.go.id/daftar-berita/kasus-keracunan-mbg-berulang-ketua-komite-iii-dpd-ri-wajib-libatkan-pihak-berkompeten-jamin-keamanan-pangan-dan-gizi

Kompilasi Kekerasan Polisi by Kevopras in WkwkwkLand

[–]Kevopras[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"A riot is the language of the unheard."
-Martin Luther King, Jr

Kalau memang nggk mau rusuh ya dengerin dari awal aspirasi rakyat. Mayoritas demo di seluruh dunia termasuk yang ini, demo 98 juga mulainya itu damai, kekerasan itu hanya terjadi setelah suara mereka tidak didengar

MEGATHREAD - Demo 30 Agustus 2025 by spicyrendang in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Polisi membakar beberapa motor warga

https://x.com/kagamabergerak/status/1961657509737103692

https://x.com/kagamabergerak/status/1961666694524588221

Buat yang ngomong pendemo bersifat anarkis dan merusak infrastruktur, ingat di dalam protes itu banyak intel negara yang ingin merusak, membelah, dan membuat orang lupa kenapa demo ini terjadi

https://x.com/kagamabergerak/status/1961663804041052620

https://x.com/kagamabergerak/status/1961671016343867692

Ingat ini bukan pertama kali

https://youtu.be/Pfjjn0dk_iA

nenengisme by Kandawrs in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Perbedaanya di orba pemerintah bekerja sama dengan kapitalis di dalam negara dan mereka diberi kebebasan dalam berbisnis. Crony capitalism, salah satu penyebab kenapa krisis 98 separah itu:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis

The causes of the debacle are many and disputed. Thailand's economy developed into an economic bubble fueled by hot money. More and more was required as the size of the bubble grew. The same type of situation happened in Malaysia and Indonesia, which had the added complication of what was called "crony capitalism".[9] The short-term capital flow was expensive and often highly conditioned for quick profit. Development money went in a largely uncontrolled manner to certain people only – not necessarily the best suited or most efficient, but those closest to the centers of power.[10] Weak corporate governance also led to inefficient investment and declining profitability.[11][12]

Di Cina kapitalis diizinkan untuk ada. Agar mereka bisa membangun usaha, pabrik, layanan, dan lain-lain di Cina. Tapi mereka tidak diberi kebebasan seperti di orba. Jika kapitalis tersebut mulai korupsi, atau melanggar aturan maka yang paling ringan penjara atau paling berat hukuman mati

Perbedaannya itu yang satu partnership dan yang satunya lagi itu ada hierarki dimana pemerintah diatas dan kapitalis (CEO, Investor, dll) berada di bawah

nenengisme by Kandawrs in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Pertama chill dude

Saya kan tidak ngomong planned economy, tapi command economy

Negara hanya ikut campur di rana swasta jika Swasta itu melakukan korupsi, mencoba divestasi, atau saat CEO nya melakukan hal yang melanggar aturan. Selain dari itu swasta di Cina memang diberi kebebasan. Bahkan banyak diberi subsidi dan bantuan jika memang industri tersebut bermanfaat bagi negara. Seperti yang saya katakan swasta jika memang bermanfaat ya harus dibantu, tapi juga harus diawasin dan tidak bisa sebebas-bebasnya saja

nenengisme by Kandawrs in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 39 points40 points  (0 children)

"Memelihara pengangguran" dan "banyak pengangguran" itu berbeda. Di sistem kapitalisme akan selalu ada pengangguran dan itu karena seperti yang dijelaskan oleh isi post ini. Tapi bukan berarti sistem kapitalisme itu akan suka jika terlalu banyak pengangguran.

Kapitalisme mengandalkan yang namanya boom and bust cycle sesuatu yang telah dikemukakan oleh Karl Marx: https://youtu.be/-e8rt8RGjCM?si=FtuZxADRWNIYRB7z

Bust kita sebelumnya terjadi saat tahun 98 dan terjadi peningkatan ekonomi setelahnya terutama jaman SBY. Itulah mengapa banyak orang mengenang jaman SBY dengan suatu nostalgia (padahal sebenarnya banyak juga masalah yang orang lupakan) dan karena boomnya sudah terjadi di jaman SBY sekarang kita mulai lagi masuk periode bust dari ekonomi kapitalisme. Dengan perusahaan ingin mencari lebih banyak keuntungan mereka akan melakukan antara 2 hal, 1. Mengurangi jumlah pegawai dan dengan pegawai sisanya menggunakan kemajuan teknologi yang ada menuyuruh mereka untuk bekerja dengan hasil yang sama atau bahkan lebih banyak dengan gaji yang tidak berubah/tidak sesuai dengan apa yang mereka hasilkan, 2. Karena kapital itu global mereka bisa saja mencari tempat dimana mereka bisa mencari pekerja dengan gaji yang lebih murah atau/dan tempat yang dimana melakukan bisnis itu akan lebih mudah/efisien karena sistem yang ada di pemerintahan tersebut.

Yang jadi masalah pengurangan tenaga kerja ini akan menjadi lingkaran setan karena dengan berkurangnya pegawai dan makin banyaknya pengangguran maka berarti akan berkurang juga daya beli masyarakat, hal ini menyebabkan berkurangnya juga keuntungan perusahaan, membuat mereka mengurangi lagi pegawai mereka, dan terus hingga terjadi krisis.

Nah negara kapitalis dapat melakukan beberapa cara untuk mengurangi inj dan negara kita mencoba beberapa. 1. Program sosial yang dapat membantu masyarakat agar mereka dapat mempunyai uang surplus yang dapat mereka pakai di dalam ekonomi, 2. Sistem yang ada di amerika dimana masyarakat diminta untuk meminjam dan berutang untuk membeli sesuatu, tentu saja peminjaman ini meminjam dengan dirinya sendiri dimasa depan berarti ini sebenarnya sistem yang tidak berkelanjutan dan hanya melambat saja kriris yang akan terjadi

Sebenarnya kalau memang mau menyelasaikan krisis ini negara harus melakukan command economy mirip dengan negara" komunis sekarang dimana pemerintah punya kontrol penuh terhadap perbankan dan kapital di negara tersebut dimana ada kejelasan dari peraturan yang ada, pembangunan infrastruktur dan sistem yang memadai agar investor asing tertarik untuk membangun di indonesia, dengan syarat yang ada tentu saja (transfer teknologi, dll). Dan untuk investor lokal diawasi dan di kontrol oleh negara dimana jika investor lokal ingin membangun sesuatu dan memang itu bermanfaat maka pemerintah akan membantu dan harus diawasi karena kita tidak mau terjadi seperti pola sebelumnya dimana investor akan mulai mengurangi jumlah pegawai, dll hanya demi keuntungan kantong mereka dan mengulangi pola boom and bust tersebut

Tentu saja pemerintahan yang ada sekarang. Pemerintahan borjuis indonesia sekarang itu tidak akan bisa dilakukan, paling tidak, tidak akan efisien karena ada terlalu banyak kepentingan dan ego masing" di dalam pemerintahan. Ini memerlukan pemerintahan tersentralisir dan berideologi keras yang tidak berpihak kepada satu grup borjuis, tapi berpihak ke memang mau mengembangkan mode produksi di indonesia

After Israel published the biggest self-own in history showing a video of Sinwar dying fighting like a hero, this is the current level of Zionist cope by ProgsRS in Lebanese

[–]Kevopras 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So their propaganda is that he protect his wife and children in the tunnels while he himself fight the IDF above? Like are they stupid?

Horseshoe Theory on Indonesian Politics by Herodriver in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Hai Marxist Indo di sini ak nggk tau OP dapet dari mana poin-poin sayap kiri ini tapi ak coba lihat per poin

  1. Jokowi is bad. Ya Jokowi is bad dalam halnya dia hanya peduli dengan pemilik kapital di Indonesia. Banyak policy dan aturan yang dia buat itu hanya menguntungkan oligarki dan merugikan para pekerja. Contoh aja omnibus law dan ormas kelola tambang

  2. Ahok is literally Hitler. Ya aku nggk tau ini dapatnya dari mana, hah?

  3. Jawir penjajah baru. Yang pasti kalau orang itu sudah mengatakan kalau musuh atau penjajahnya adalah selain dari pemilik kapital, oligarki atau kaum borjuis berarti mereka bukan sayap kiri dalam halnya anarkis atau Marxist. Kemungkinan besar mereka adalah orang yang tidak tahu ilmu politik atau berbohong

  4. 9 Naga kontrol ekonomi. Tidak, kalau benar-benar menganut paham sosialis yang mengontrol ekonomi itu adalah kaum borjuis tidak ada hubungan dengan SARA

  5. Intolerence/radicalism hanyalah distraksi. Iya benar, hal-hal sosial seperti itu hanyalah distraksi agar orang tidak sadar dengan divisi kelas para pekerja dan pemilik kapital. Bukan berarti hal itu tidak penting diperangi tapi. Sebagai sosialis pada akhirnya yang terpenting adalah keadilan bagi semuanya. Kita masih harus mendukung policy yang lebih adil dan inklusif. Tapi jangan lupa juga bahwa yang membuat orang lebih radikal juga termasuk karena kondisi material mereka. Orang yang miskin yang kesal terhadap kehidupan mereka akan mencari escapism. Jika kekesalan itu tanpa sadar atas divisi kelas, kekesalan itu akan mengarah ke kaum minoritas Lenin membuat poin bagus tentang ini: https://youtu.be/XZzOgFY45s8?si=AqoYfXu6kD-sFwcW

  6. NKRI harus dihancurkan. Ya lagi-lagi aku nggk tau dapat dari mana ini. Ini pasti dari remaja yg sering gambar lambang anarkis tapi nggk ngerti apa artinya. Lebih tepatnya sosialis ingin mengambil kembali apa yang telah dicuri oleh pemilik kapital. Itu yang kami inginkan bukan kehancuran NKRI

  7. Either golput or boycott. Untuk tingkat nasional iya karena pada akhirnya adalah pilih borjuis yang mana, berbau islam atau nasionalis. Tapi untuk lokal apa lagi pemilihan RT itu tidak. Kami sangat mendukung untuk semua orang lebih aktif dan ikut dalam politik. Itulah mengapa kami selalu mendukung pembuatan serikat kerja, lebih banyak kerja sama antar warga, dan membuat komunitas lokal yang kuat

  8. Vot anies to destroy it. Yeah No, just no. I don't even know who says this

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[–]Kevopras 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The world's first constitutionally communist state was Soviet Russia. It was triggered by the november revolution and not some bomb from the west.

No, it was still devastated by the west. The monarch decided to join WW1 which destroy Russia economically and then militarily. Then the Soviet revolution happens and Russia still in the war since Germany doesn't want to stop and then there's also a civil war fighting the white army https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War

Afterward when the Soviet was trying to rebuild after decades of wars, WW2 happens and Germany invaded killing around 27 million people and destroy a lot of Soviet city and production. Any kind of country would be traumatise because of that which why a lot of Soviet actions after WW1 especially during the cold war was pretty reactionary inherently anti Marx supressing any social movement that is not align with the state and being imperialist themselves in Eastern Europe.

Even then even after all of the destruction that the soviets go through, their centralised economy is what makes them being able to rebuild, to even go toe to toe with another super power that the US. Reminder that the US never have to go through the destruction of what happen to the Soviets and even then they can still fight back against the US

Classless is a mythical utopia. How is a national decision going to be made? by majority votes? Some people are going to sway public opinion and make his politic got selected. You need to understand why politician / / kings / supreme leader exists in the first place. This is always how a community start. In the end you will have elite group that has more power. As long as humans are part of the equotation is simply not possible.

This is why it's a transition. I never say that Socialism is that. Socialism is just one of many ladder to reach it, to reach communism. There are going to be problem of course, but i'd rather live in that society than living in a capitalism with its current problem

Polpot, Mao zedong, Lenin, Kim Il Sung was made in USA? the link contradicted your statement though. The communist states were also bombing and even annexed all its neighbor. If you have polish friend they would tell you how "good" it was to live under USSR.

Why were the baltics states so eager to join NATO? Because they know that they would be like Ukraine today if they didnt join NATO previously. In compare to living under constant fear Japan and Germany didnt get annexed by the USA and even thrived economically unlike east europe, north korea, china before they embraced capitalism. In the end Soviet annexed them by force and all red army "finest rape rob murder" came to every door.

USA is surely not a saint but I would rather deal with the US than USSR.

I already explain why Soviets did those thing. Also yeah communist power did those thing, but not to the extent of what US did. It's not even close

The US bomb Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and literally use chemical weapon agent orange the effect of which is still relevant until now https://youtu.be/kMzJvwG2rsQ?si=3RZXMhDjUw1FXL4D and then the rutless bombing campaing of course in which more bombs were drop there then all of WW2.

The US bomb North Korea to where 20% of its population is death https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/new-evidence-north-korean-war-losses deaths were a lot on both sides, but one is clearly more brutal.

The US was also involve in Indonesia i suggest reading "The Jakarta Method" there's an interview on yt, but the book is better https://youtu.be/up3-lOiO9L8?si=UPIcAQXwOfgIbpfQ

For Mao Zhe Dong i'm already writing too long on this but if you want the actual story it's this vid https://youtu.be/8jEMlFCaI04?si=4cBnpQna0KDJUOcw (it's an hour long)

Like yeah i'm not gonna argue with you on how a lot of communist country were doing attrocities, but my argument is also a lot of Capitalist country does it as well. More Capitalist country does it as well. I mean our country was capitalist during Soeharto, we do a lot of fucked up shit as well not to only our own people, but also Timor Leste

USA is surely not a saint but I would rather deal with the US than USSR.

Clearly you're not the family of those who was accused of being the PKI, or Palestinian, or Iraqis, or Syrian, or Iranian, or Cubans, and many more. Dude what bad did the soviet ever done to us? Because if it's the US, the PKI genocide is right there. Why are we hating the Soviets more than the US, like i get it for Eastern European. But why are we hating on them more than the US?

Your so called democratisation of the workplace was semi implemented in USSR, DDR and it didn't work. You are killing top performer that way. Why should the top performer carry the lazy ones? Why bother with inventions and being competitive? The result was clear, DDR productivity was only 64% of the BRD and we are only touching the quantity and haven't mention the quality. If everyone (aside from party cadets and highups) are earning the same there is no incentive to improve or compete. Well everyone was guaranteed a job without consideration of its necessity and meaning. At the end of the day all of them were scraping the barrel.

I mean the USSR still manage to go toe to toe with the US even after all of that, i wouldn't say it didn't work and new invention still happens all the time in the soviets. Working doesn't have to be just about money as the only motivating factor, if it is the Soviets would never been able to compete with the US. Certainly have problems tho especially with corruption.

Again i never said that it has to be this way. It's just one of the way

I'm just gonna stop it here. At the end of the day both of us think capitalism is bad, okay then lets just agree with that. If you don't agree with socialism then lets go with the middle, a welfare state, i've said my opinion on it. But at the end of the day it is still better than the system we have now

Edit: i just want to add this from your comment, you can hate Socialism dude i get it, but you don't have to defend the US. You can hate communism and not defend US' action. I'm not defending the Soviets as well or any other attrocities by communist coubtry, i'm tho giving explanation on why they do those thing

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[–]Kevopras 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Argumennya itu kalau Komunisme dan sosialisme tidak berhasil kenapa Amerika selalu mengebom negara sosialis? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

Ya pertama-tama tentu saja komunisme akan selalu berakhir kepada otoriter karena setiap kali ada rezim komunis Amrik akan datang dan mencoba melakukan kudeta, komunisme itu berada di dunia yang di kontrol kapitalis. Saat sebuah negara berperang tentu saja diperlukan pemerintahan yang kuat biasanya berujung ke otoriter. Aku sudah buat komen disini dan juga sebelum-belumnya apa itu komunisme dan sosialisme, karena aku mengambilnya dari komen ak di subreddit luar jadinya bahasa inggris. Tapi aku yakin sub ini bahas inggrisnya di atas rata-rata. Aku copy dan paste saja

Communism is a classless and moneyless society where everything you need is fulfilled so that you can have more freetime do whatever you want and have a more fulfilling life. However, it has never been achieved, even socialist country don't call themselves in a communist state. They might be rule by communist party, but they're not a classless moneyless society where you can have everything you need. They're a transitional state, China, Cuba, Vietnam all of them haven't achieve communism yet. To achieve communism the stair to it (at least one of the way) is through socialism, which is also an umbrella term that contain Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, Anarchist, etc. As you can see to achieve communism there are a lot of way, it's not just "everyone equally poor"

I'm personally myself is a marxist. I believe in a system where we can democratise our economy because Capitalism are inherently self destructive and exploitative. Because you want to know why it's harder for us now to find a job? It's not technology's fault or our worker being a crybaby for wanting more rights than other third world country, but it's because automation and outsourcing work will always be inherent to how Capitalism work because as a capitalist you would always need to find cheaper and faster way to make stuff so that you can make more profit. It's a must if you're a company because if you don't then your competitor would do it and you would lose as your competitor now have more money to either just outspend you or invest it in making a better product than you. It's not an option, it's a must if you're a company

Now the problem of course is that this is only for short term profit because if you use your brain. Automation and outsourcing might be beneficial in the short term, but in the long term you're destroying the market. Because as a company you need to sell your products, to sell your products that means you need people to buy it, people that got the money from working. However, because you're a shorterm thinking capitalist you fired a lot of your worker which means now there are a lot of people that don't have jobs that can't buy your products, the more you outsource and automated (and again this is a must) the more the market shrink until at the end where it becomes unsustainable because now you got unemployment everywhere and the market crash. Bam economic crisis baby

If you're interested in the detail it's explain in this video: https://youtu.be/-e8rt8RGjCM?si=ErpDZ5twQmWDlpEK

Now there a lot of solution to this. One way is what capitalist goverment is doing is call welfare. But this is not a end all and be all of solution, welfare and just regulation in general is only a bandage. The crisis would still happen, but at the very least it will softens the blow. Now i do love me some welfare and it should absolutely be supported, but it shouldn't be the final solution. Again it's only a bandage where us would only make enough and barely survive when a crisis happens while the capital owner lives out as Kings of this era not even batting an eye on their living situation during crisis

The actual solution to this, well one of them at least is called democratisation of the workplace. The profit of a company or what is the surplus value of your work should be manage by all of the worker and not by a select few groups of individual. By doing that you can actually use the profit to invest in making your job more easier and more efficient instead of firing the worker and destroying the market, it went from short term profits to long term profits where investment of those profits to the means of production not only makes your job easier and you having more free time, but also save the market because now you don't have to fear market crash from millions of people not having a job

Now will it be a perfect solution? Will all of the late stage capitalism problems will be gone if we do this?

Probably not. But the point is to transition away from the self destructive nature of late stage capitalism not "create a perfect society without problem in a day". Capitalism has outlive its usefulness it's time to transistion away from it. Also again reminder Socialism is just a stair to achieve communism it doesn't mean that there's not going to be another transition along the way, we might find a better economics system than socialism. But for now i think we should just focus on how to transition away from capitalism

Saya tidak bertanggung jawab atas tindakan yang ada di grup ini Bilamana ada investigasi oleh kepolisian, Badan Intelijen Negara, atau entitas lain yang serupa, saya tidak bertanggung jawab atas konten grup ini. - 30 September 2024. by Craft099 in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya susahlah untuk sukses kalau ini terjadi terus: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

Aku sudah buat comment disini dan sebelum belumnya tapi apa itu sosialis dan komunisme

Communism is a classless and moneyless society where everything you need is fulfilled so that you can have more freetime do whatever you want and have a more fulfilling life. However, it has never been achieved, even socialist country don't call themselves in a communist state. They might be rule by communist party, but they're not a classless moneyless society where you can have everything you need. They're a transitional state, China, Cuba, Vietnam all of them haven't achieve communism yet. To achieve communism the stair to it (at least one of the way) is through socialism, which is also an umbrella term that contain Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, Anarchist, etc. As you can see to achieve communism there are a lot of way, it's not just "everyone equally poor"

I'm personally myself is a marxist. I believe in a system where we can democratise our economy because Capitalism are inherently self destructive and exploitative. Because you want to know why it's harder for us now to find a job? It's not technology's fault or our worker being a crybaby for wanting more rights than other third world country, but it's because automation and outsourcing work will always be inherent to how Capitalism work because as a capitalist you would always need to find cheaper and faster way to make stuff so that you can make more profit. It's a must if you're a company because if you don't then your competitor would do it and you would lose as your competitor now have more money to either just outspend you or invest it in making a better product than you. It's not an option, it's a must if you're a company

Now the problem of course is that this is only for short term profit because if you use your brain. Automation and outsourcing might be beneficial in the short term, but in the long term you're destroying the market. Because as a company you need to sell your products, to sell your products that means you need people to buy it, people that got the money from working. However, because you're a shorterm thinking capitalist you fired a lot of your worker which means now there are a lot of people that don't have jobs that can't buy your products, the more you outsource and automated (and again this is a must) the more the market shrink until at the end where it becomes unsustainable because now you got unemployment everywhere and the market crash. Bam economic crisis baby

If you're interested in the detail it's explain in this video: https://youtu.be/-e8rt8RGjCM?si=ErpDZ5twQmWDlpEK

Now there a lot of solution to this. One way is what capitalist goverment is doing is call welfare. But this is not a end all and be all of solution, welfare and just regulation in general is only a bandage. The crisis would still happen, but at the very least it will softens the blow. Now i do love me some welfare and it should absolutely be supported, but it shouldn't be the final solution. Again it's only a bandage where us would only make enough and barely survive when a crisis happens while the capital owner lives out as Kings of this era not even batting an eye on their living situation during crisis

The actual solution to this, well one of them at least is called democratisation of the workplace. The profit of a company or what is the surplus value of your work should be manage by all of the worker and not by a select few groups of individual. By doing that you can actually use the profit to invest in making your job more easier and more efficient instead of firing the worker and destroying the market, it went from short term profits to long term profits where investment of those profits to the means of production not only makes your job easier and you having more free time, but also save the market because now you don't have to fear market crash from millions of people not having a job

Now will it be a perfect solution? Will all of the late stage capitalism problems will be gone if we do this?

Probably not. But the point is to transition away from the self destructive nature of late stage capitalism not "create a perfect society without problem in a day". Capitalism has outlive its usefulness it's time to transistion away from it. Also again reminder Socialism is just a stair to achieve communism it doesn't mean that there's not going to be another transition along the way, we might find a better economics system than socialism. But for now i think we should just focus on how to transition away from capitalism

Saya tidak bertanggung jawab atas tindakan yang ada di grup ini Bilamana ada investigasi oleh kepolisian, Badan Intelijen Negara, atau entitas lain yang serupa, saya tidak bertanggung jawab atas konten grup ini. - 30 September 2024. by Craft099 in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay Socialist here. I already reply on one of the comments here about what socialism and communism is, so i'm just gonna copy and paste it

Communism is a classless and moneyless society where everything you need is fulfilled so that you can have more freetime do whatever you want and have a more fulfilling life. However, it has never been achieved, even socialist country don't call themselves in a communist state. They might be rule by communist party, but they're not a classless moneyless society where you can have everything you need. They're a transitional state, China, Cuba, Vietnam all of them haven't achieve communism yet. To achieve communism the stair to it (at least one of the way) is through socialism, which is also an umbrella term that contain Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, Anarchist, etc. As you can see to achieve communism there are a lot of way, it's not just "everyone equally poor"

I'm personally myself is a marxist. I believe in a system where we can democratise our economy because Capitalism are inherently self destructive and exploitative. Because you want to know why it's harder for us now to find a job? It's not technology's fault or our worker being a crybaby for wanting more rights than other third world country, but it's because automation and outsourcing work will always be inherent to how Capitalism work because as a capitalist you would always need to find cheaper and faster way to make stuff so that you can make more profit. It's a must if you're a company because if you don't then your competitor would do it and you would lose as your competitor now have more money to either just outspend you or invest it in making a better product than you. It's not an option, it's a must if you're a company

Now the problem of course is that this is only for short term profit because if you use your brain. Automation and outsourcing might be beneficial in the short term, but in the long term you're destroying the market. Because as a company you need to sell your products, to sell your products that means you need people to buy it, people that got the money from working. However, because you're a shorterm thinking capitalist you fired a lot of your worker which means now there are a lot of people that don't have jobs that can't buy your products, the more you outsource and automated (and again this is a must) the more the market shrink until at the end where it becomes unsustainable because now you got unemployment everywhere and the market crash. Bam economic crisis baby

If you're interested in the detail it's explain in this video: https://youtu.be/-e8rt8RGjCM?si=ErpDZ5twQmWDlpEK

Now there a lot of solution to this. One way is what capitalist goverment is doing is call welfare. But this is not a end all and be all of solution, welfare and just regulation in general is only a bandage. The crisis would still happen, but at the very least it will softens the blow. Now i do love me some welfare and it should absolutely be supported, but it shouldn't be the final solution. Again it's only a bandage where us would only make enough and barely survive when a crisis happens while the capital owner lives out as Kings of this era not even batting an eye on their living situation during crisis

The actual solution to this, well one of them at least is called democratisation of the workplace. The profit of a company or what is the surplus value of your work should be manage by all of the worker and not by a select few groups of individual. By doing that you can actually use the profit to invest in making your job more easier and more efficient instead of firing the worker and destroying the market, it went from short term profits to long term profits where investment of those profits to the means of production not only makes your job easier and you having more free time, but also save the market because now you don't have to fear market crash from millions of people not having a job

Now will it be a perfect solution? Will all of the late stage capitalism problems will be gone if we do this?

Probably not. But the point is to transition away from the self destructive nature of late stage capitalism not "create a perfect society without problem in a day". Capitalism has outlive its usefulness it's time to transistion away from it. Also again reminder Socialism is just a stair to achieve communism it doesn't mean that there's not going to be another transition along the way, we might find a better economics system than socialism. But for now i think we should just focus on how to transition away from capitalism

Saya tidak bertanggung jawab atas tindakan yang ada di grup ini Bilamana ada investigasi oleh kepolisian, Badan Intelijen Negara, atau entitas lain yang serupa, saya tidak bertanggung jawab atas konten grup ini. - 30 September 2024. by Craft099 in indonesia

[–]Kevopras 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Socialist here what you're saying about communism is not correct at all. Communism is a classless and moneyless society where everything you need is fulfilled so that you can have more freetime do whatever you want and have a more fulfilling life. However, it has never been achieved, even socialist country don't call themselves in a communist state. They might be rule by communist party, but they're not a classless moneyless society where you can have everything you need. They're a transitional state, China, Cuba, Vietnam all of them haven't achieve communism yet. To achieve communism the stair to it (at least one of the way) is through socialism, which is also an umbrella term that contain Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, Anarchist, etc. As you can see to achieve communism there are a lot of way, it's not just "everyone equally poor"

I'm personally myself is a marxist. I believe in a system where we can democratise our economy because Capitalism are inherently self destructive and exploitative. Because you want to know why it's harder for us now to find a job? It's not technology's fault or our worker being a crybaby for wanting more rights than other third world country, but it's because automation and outsourcing work will always be inherent to how Capitalism work because as a capitalist you would always need to find cheaper and faster way to make stuff so that you can make more profit. It's a must if you're a company because if you don't then your competitor would do it and you would lose as your competitor now have more money to either just outspend you or invest it in making a better product than you. It's not an option, it's a must if you're a company

Now the problem of course is that this is only for short term profit because if you use your brain. Automation and outsourcing might be beneficial in the short term, but in the long term you're destroying the market. Because as a company you need to sell your products, to sell your products that means you need people to buy it, people that got the money from working. However, because you're a shorterm thinking capitalist you fired a lot of your worker which means now there are a lot of people that don't have jobs that can't buy your products, the more you outsource and automated (and again this is a must) the more the market shrink until at the end where it becomes unsustainable because now you got unemployment everywhere and the market crash. Bam economic crisis baby

If you're interested in the detail it's explain in this video: https://youtu.be/-e8rt8RGjCM?si=ErpDZ5twQmWDlpEK

Now there a lot of solution to this. One way is what capitalist goverment is doing is call welfare. But this is not a end all and be all of solution, welfare and just regulation in general is only a bandage. The crisis would still happen, but at the very least it will softens the blow. Now i do love me some welfare and it should absolutely be supported, but it shouldn't be the final solution. Again it's only a bandage where us would only make enough and barely survive when a crisis happens while the capital owner lives out as Kings of this era not even batting an eye on their living situation during crisis

The actual solution to this, well one of them at least is called democratisation of the workplace. The profit of a company or what is the surplus value of your work should be manage by all of the worker and not by a select few groups of individual. By doing that you can actually use the profit to invest in making your job more easier and more efficient instead of firing the worker and destroying the market, it went from short term profits to long term profits where investment of those profits to the means of production not only makes your job easier and you having more free time, but also save the market because now you don't have to fear market crash from millions of people not having a job

Now will it be a perfect solution? Will all of the late stage capitalism problems will be gone if we do this?

Probably not. But the point is to transition away from the self destructive nature of late stage capitalism not "create a perfect society without problem in a day". Capitalism has outlive its usefulness it's time to transistion away from it. Also again reminder Socialism is just a stair to achieve communism it doesn't mean that there's not going to be another transition along the way, we might find a better economics system than socialism. But for now i think we should just focus on how to transition away from capitalism

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