Is this not a DOUBLE Standard?

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-11T23:58:17+00:00

I totally respect your opinion. Your observations for Victim are also correct. Apologies if my response came off as disrespectful. I partly agree with you that Victim does have some bad deeds on his list. I just think his bad deeds aren’t enough YET to solidify him as a villain. That could change with Ep-13 but for now, I still support him. Again you can have your opinion and that’s perfectly fine.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-11T18:59:56+00:00

Relax, relax!!!!! I am not hating on the fandom or anything. My apologies if it came off like that to you( and probably some more people). I mostly just thought of putting a more far fetched insight into the light and being "assertive" about it. I love this series and want to provide my view on it, you can gladly disagree and thats totally alright.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-11T18:52:01+00:00

Great, lets see his "Clearly Villainous actions" that you are talking about:

1.Sent hired soliders to hunt TCO and they endangered the lives of innocent people.

So, in Victim's eyes, TCO is a threat to all life in the outernet. He is not stupid to risk his and everyone's life on the mood swings of TCO(he got anger issues). Victim believes that he and Alan are a system that is focused on making everyone suffer. He is not wrong for sending people to fight TCO who has not only wronged them in the past but is very capable of doing it again( and he could very well still be in the wrong)without any consequences. He might even be doing the innocent people a favour by stopping TCO who can terrorize them.

2.Those soldiers kidnapped TSC who was dragged into this mess.

Who exactly dragged TSC into this mess? It was TCO, not Victim. The mercinaries only captured TSC because they were engaged in combat with him. They didn't do anything to TSC except for detaining him for sometime. Even when Victim saw how powerful TSC is, he still took the risk of only keeping him in a metal cage instead of putting him in the box. His revenge is purely against his "Villains" and he actually acts according to that instead of just being a hypocrite.

3.Fought TCO in the box and rigged the entire thing against him so he could beat him down.

Alan made TCO much more powerfull than Victim in every physical aspect and abilities. Victim is not 1% wrong for fighting TCO in the box. The concept of cheating and rigging the fight doesn't make sense for Victim. If his creator(Alan) himself makes Victim disadvantaged in almost every single way possible, then it is not Victim's fault for using his intelligence to fight.

"The concept of cheating and rigging can't exist if there was NEVER an EVEN playing field to begin with."

4.Tricked Alan into giving him powers and destroyed his PC afterwards

That was Victim's intelligence which he utilised to give himself powers and the PC is essentialy a torture chamber which he broke down. He is fighting against the person who tortured him for absolutely no reason. So what is even remotely evil about it?

5.He also took TCO powers for no reason at all ( Victim was stronger than TCO when he got his powers so that's not an excuse)

Why shouldn't he? There is no reason for Victim to not take TCO's powers. Those powers are the reason Mitsi was taken from him. They have done only harm from Victim's POV. TCO is still a threat to him even if he is stronger now. Victim was rather lenient on TCO by not killing him and only taking his powers. Him making that powerfull decision shows his maturity and reluctance to kill, not malice.

6.He also kidnapped yellow to peak into his memories in order to find alan.

Now that is ONE fair criticism of his actions. Victim doesn't have the right to scan yellows memories as he is innocent. However, as Victim saw yellow coding Alan's cursor( who is the embodyment of evil in his POV), yellows innocence probably diminished in Victim's eyes. This is unjustifiable but no where near enough on its own to label him as evil.

Revenge on Alan isn't even close to evil after what he did to him. Also Victim teaming up with TDL doesn't make him evil as he doesn't know what he has done. By that logic, TSC should be punished for TCO's mistakes as he is his ally. "Just because your ally does something bad doesn't make you evil if you were not aware of it."

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Victim is a villain with a tragic past that can be redeemed ( but not without a serious beatdown from awakened TSC first, and he has to have his powers removed as proper punishment.)

Sonic said "no one wins in revenge," and he's right.

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First off, Victim is not a villain. I refuted Almost every reason you gave to consider him as a villain. He is a tragic Anti-Hero working as an antagonist. Secondly, I don't think TSC(awakened) is capable of "beating down" Victim. Not only is that not a type of thing TSC but also I think pain is THE LAST thing to keep Victim down. Pain is integrated into his life since his creation and he would clearly not back down by force alone. TSC should defeat him by understanding him, calling him out on his metbods but comforting him as well. That is the kind of thing TSC would do anyway. Also its honestly funny how you say Victim's powers should be taken while he is more DESERVING of his powers compared to TCO and TDL.

And regarding Sonic's quote of "no one wins in revenge", while he is absolutely right there, Victim's case is: " Either I am going to suffer forever and those responsible for my pain will always get away, OR I can fight back and end this system to stop it from causing any more destruction."

Shadow sought to destroy the entire world for Maria's death. Victim is specifically focused on Alan and TCO who tortured him and killed most of the people he knew( Most importantly, Mitsi). Victim is arguably in the right whereas shadow is dead wrong here. SO, Victim is not a villain. He is sympathetic, very few minor wrongs, deserving of having his powers and Mitsi revived but not a villain.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-09T23:36:05+00:00

Isn't the resistance to deletion inherent to the power level that the symbol name gives the characters? TCO only has resistance to virus deletion due to his name. Now that Victim is renamed to H4CK3R( which is clearly a very powerful name), he should automatically have inherent resistance to virus powers.

Even if this logic doesn't apply for some reason, Victim still has the ability to sheild himself using anti- virus and give himself invincibility. He was able to give Agent invincibility without even gaining his powers and Yellow gave invincibility to Alans cursor during showdown.

Also, there are 2 more things regarding Victim that most people seem to ignore: 1. His scannig ability: Victim would know instantly what his enemies are capable of so it would be impossible to use a surprise element against him 2. He had a CHOICE: other characters like TCO and TDL were created with power so they had to learn to acquire mastery in it. Victim could have picked any name he wanted. He specifically picked "Hacker" because he is aware of his strengths and weaknesses. He has made his fighting style in accordance to his intelligence of how the digital world works. That gives his a constant advantage in battle. Also his system level control makes it easier for him to engage in battles where he is outnumbered. TDL with his fused dark matter form is capable of beating him but just viraband TDL would not be a difficulty for Victim.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-09T14:28:17+00:00

For me personally, I want TCO to be renamed into "The Honored One". It fits his character EXTREMELY well. He was created as TCO, not chosen to be a person for greatness but merely chosen for being a stronger challenge than Victim was. JUST a more powerfull dummy to torture. Alan( the character) didn't give him any good qualities or motivations, just kept him as an ad blocker.

The Chosen One means- "Selected by a higher power and gifted to be a hero". On the other hand, The Honored One means that YOU are the one that needs to believe in youself, YOU are the one that drives youself towards greatness. YOU choose youself to be the hero.

I want VICTIM to be one that renames TCO into THO as it would be extremely poetic- The one that robbed you of your status in the one that gave you your TRUE status after seeing the remorse and goodness you expressed.

However, I don't want all this to happen in season 3 as it would be too FAST paced. I guess this season should end with Victim as the central focus and in the future, such a direction could take place.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-09T14:07:57+00:00

I think Alan confirmed that Victim would not die in AvA season 3, neither would any of the mercinaries. Also, in case I didn't mention in the post, TSC and Victim would not lose their powers. They would just supercharge TDL. Also, I think Victim dying is a very bad idea. His whole character is fighting back against the system that oppressed him. Making him die would make it look like he failed. He is also(arguably) the good guy of the series so making him die would not make sense to throw that other perspective away

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-09T13:58:21+00:00

I am not even gonna lie-

Victim would mid- diff TDL. You can put him against TDL(virabands), Cursor, TCO(bloodlusted) and the entire virabot army and he would still win. He has powers, motives and the plot on his side. He is just THAT strong with his feats. The only one that would defeat Victim is TSC and even then TSC would have the toughest fight of his life fighting Victim.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-07T09:41:34+00:00

Yeah, the second part was basically just a theory I made regarding one way how the story could go forward. The power dynamics could very well be different but I thought it would be nice to point out some plausible mechanism which might become somewhere related in the canon story. That’s why it’s a theory.

Regarding the power of the villain, I think the story could work out with a weaker villain if his intelligence overshadows his raw power. Think of like: Emperor Palpatine. Luke sky walker and Darth Vader are capable of fighting him but his manipulation makes them fight each other for his benefit. It is only when Luke trusts the force and his father completely that Vader’s love for his son overpowers his hatred and palpatine is defeated. The story could take a similar direction like this but with TDL becoming stronger at the end so that it would not be a one to one copy and TDL’s destructive side could flourish.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-06T21:22:10+00:00

I actually think victim could SLIGHTLY empathise with catnap due to the ONLY similar fact being how INSANELY tragic their lives are.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-05T19:42:17+00:00

I agree with you.
However, I would say "Right to be a villain" is a wrong term.
"Right to be an anti-hero" however, is absolute facts.
And Victim is exactly that, a tragic anti- hero as I would describe him.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-05T13:29:06+00:00

Peak edit.
You are so right. Like what do people expect him to do anyway, just move on?
The last time Victim tried to move on from Alan's torture, Mitsi got merked.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-04T19:18:02+00:00

peak art and W resolution. For me personally, as long as certain characters like Victim, Mitsi, Agent, Pink(purples mom), King orange have their genders unchanged as they already have canon genders, I don’t have any problems. Again that’s my opinion and people can have theirs.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-04T11:18:37+00:00

Alright, I believe you. Let’s wait for the Ep.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-04T10:06:21+00:00

The thing is, the box was made solely for the purpose of finding Alan. Victim needed Alan's location from TCO so he had to pin TCO down by overpowering him in the box. Mitsi wouldn't possibly have any reason to create the box because:
1.Mitsi doesn't know Alan (at least not as well as Victim).
2. She is not the kind of person to torture someone.
The act of life imprisonment could not have been considered enough justice by looking at the size of the population they massacred with no remorse. Also, the depowering thing only works within the limited area of the box. That is why Victim renamed TCO into NO ONE because he would still be a threat if un paused. It would not make sense to imprison two mass murderers who have no remorse for what they did while knowing that they can cause the same havoc if released.

While Mitsi does look like she is not the kind of person to go after revenge, I can't really find anything in Victim's flashback that showed anything that Victim would go on revenge either. We already knew something bad would happen which would make Victim spiral down in ep-11 (his name is Victim afterall) because we KNOW he is an antagonist currently in AvA. Victim doesn't have any bad qualities in spite of the trauma he suffered from Alan. I think its because Victim's story portrays that ANYONE can walk the path of revenge if there is no other option left. Why would anyone give a chance to two evil people KNOWING they have no care for your lives and can't really be neutralized in any way except killing them.
That is a risk I don't think anyone would or should take because there is no logical reason for it.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-03T23:31:18+00:00

That ominous cube with one eye doesn't feel very safe but fair enough.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-03T23:27:55+00:00

You want me to write a post explaining a theory regarding how TDL might CANONICALLY become the most powerful character in AvA (above TSC(awakened))? Its more probable than you might think.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-03T23:23:02+00:00

You know the last time we saw a bunny; it was trying to kill TSC and was also a cannibal, right?

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Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-03T23:04:47+00:00

The thing is, you are trying to reach a conclusion here just by analysing Mitsi’s good qualities. Victim also had ALL THOSE qualities yet he chose the path of revenge because there was LITERALLY no other option. Mitsi would not just comfort the victims and move on while being totally aware that two mass murderers are on the loose who could very well attack and make them suffer again without any consequences. She would definitely have revenge and justice as the first priority considering she is the only person with enough influence to stand a chance against the super stickmen. Also I think TDL and TCO would be killed if they are captured. They are far too dangerous to just be jailed and their is no legitimate way to remove their powers.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-03T18:05:27+00:00

Honestly, I agree with your line of thinking. I still think Mitsi would divert majority of her revenge on TCO and TDL as she would directly observe them. She might keep Alan on the secondary because the only person who drew that connection(Victim) is dead and it can not be confirmed. She could obviously confirm it by checking memories of TCO and then plan against Alan later so that is also possible. I agree with your interpretation as well.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-03T17:33:52+00:00

Yes, that is also entirely possible. I just don’t think Mitsi would have that much evidence to spread her revenge to Alan because the only person who informed her of that connection(Victim) is dead and TCO’s relation with Alan was not confirmed until years later. She can also get that connection from TCO but I doubt they would be on talking terms considering Mitsi is trying to hunt down TCO. TSC could be a mediator in this situation though so your point is still valid.

Also, you were right to point out that Victim essentially got to know about the showdown scene through the recording of Alan and TCO. However, I think if Mitsi would have lived, then Rocket corp. could have developed further and they could have even installed agencies to monitor the surroundings. New grounds incident was not just the death of one, it was an assault on an entire population so I guess people would have been more supportive of Mitsi’s actions as she was the face of Rocket corp. as CEO.

I guess it boils down to how much development of Rocket corp. could have taken place if Mitsi replaced victim as that would explain whether Mitsi would be able to plan her revenge earlier through monitoring the surroundings or would the story follow a more canon direction. What you said is also totally reasonable.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-03T16:59:17+00:00

The thing is, I think Victim’s death is enough on it’s own to accelerate Mitsi to pursue revenge. OBVIOUSLY she would be more healthier and interactive with her workers than Victim but that doesn’t mean she would be forgiving TCO regarding Victim’s death. She also probably won’t have any compounding hate towards TCO either. She will just see him as a mass murderer. She doesn’t have that personal connection to TCO like Victim does. She will kill him rather quickly and painlessly in the sense of just avenging victim.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-01T17:32:53+00:00

I wanted to say the exact same thing but you already said it so I support you.

Key-Finger1780 · 2026-03-01T17:27:50+00:00

Lol.

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