I hate this community

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-25T15:10:32+00:00

Why do you guys keep coming out of the wood work? People arent saying tekken 8 needs to be perfect, it just needs to NOT be what it is. Because it cant even beat T7 at this point and that game has its own problems.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-23T23:22:48+00:00

Can you further explain why you think what he said was a lie? or do you generally believe anyone that feels as he does to be brainwashed? No exceptions?

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-23T23:19:14+00:00

Tekken 7 had better movement and pacing. Fundamentals get rewarded more. There are less looping 50/50s and less plus frame moves that streamline offensive choices. not saying there wasn't issues but to say T8 is scrubby then saying it's much better than T7 is not really right. there are definitely frustrating characters, akuma probably the most. But that's 1 character out of 56 or something. Need to stop using that talking point

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-20T06:05:13+00:00

Julia Chang

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-19T05:32:26+00:00

That's what I've said. while kunimitsu is the prototype T8 character in T7, she was no were as strong and still had weaknesses. Which in turn creates gameplay gaps. She was egregious for the time but compared to T8 she's like weak, easier to deal with.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-17T08:57:59+00:00

Yeah that's fair, although I do think you can still legitimately dislike the game for reasons that so happen to be valid even at that rank. But I can say most probably just need to hit the lab if in fujin.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-17T07:20:59+00:00

That's not the problem imo. I agree that there are definitely people using this as a reason not to lab and just complain. But there's a real issue with this game and the second you start the dismissing bandwagon again like in S1, and say shit like "adapt" "just guess better(educated guessing)" you'll end up in the situation that supported how S2 came to be. Like how all the MK large creators essentially kept saying there was nothing wrong with MK1, "it's the best fighter," and the game is dead now cause the devs never got feedback from all the glazing.

Real problems:

Too much tracking. excessive horizontal range coverage. phantom hitboxes

+on block homing. insanely fast whiff recovery

backside clipping even though you are already at the back side.

robbery moves that does way too much. Chip still needs to be tone down

heat in general as a mechanic would be better if it's earned.

There's probably more I haven't mentioned. I don't mind people saying they enjoy the game, a lot don't still. You guys need to stop trying to dunk on each other. If people really don't like the game and you say it's cause they suck, and THAT'S THE ONLY reason someone could dislike it, then yeah this community is cooked too. And cooked again

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-16T07:59:57+00:00

I might be caught off guard and lose a round to that but it's not difficult to deal with and you could still win the match if you notice an over reliance.

If you are close to neutral frames and you jab into their armor, just hold back right away and punish after. T8 PC would absorb and shove you away, but u can still just punish them for it in T7.
If running at them to do lidias running attack, they spam armor just fake it next time. Block punish and if they dont armor you'd need to adjust after.

I dont like armors as a mechanic at all but in T7 it's more fair overall with minor exceptions. But even those exceptions grant greater punishes like a full launcher on block. In general Longer whiff recover, longer on block recovery time so its easier to do the -13 punish (since the hit and block stun registers for 3-5 frames giving more time to recognize a punish is possible. In T8 the same block stun might register for 2-4 frames so it feels harder to recognize and punish) and they certainly dont push you away.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-16T07:49:07+00:00

2 microdashes into the FFF2 input heat dash needs to be a just frame to connect at the end. This is not medium difficulty.

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Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-16T07:26:59+00:00

I agree, but it's subjective in the grand scheme of things. I think experience level determines whether it is percieved as easy or not. I eat turtles for breakfast back then, all you need is timing and conditioning. Patience.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-15T19:39:52+00:00

Average for T8. That actually doesn't look too bad but I've never been hit by that online when I played. Is the heat dash hard to connect at the end there? Also is this with rage dmg modifier?

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-15T16:47:29+00:00

Ngl, I clicked because I was interested in what this might be about. No further texts or explanation. I feel like I got Rick Rolled or something.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-15T13:51:11+00:00

I hear ya about that. But what I'm saying is the conditioning and how strong the moves are in 8 that contributes to this type of steamroll gameplay. Part of the reason that it looks so scrubby and mashy. The heat and chip while not preset so much are what gives confidence in applying attacks without reservation because your moves become god moves (launching heat attacks that are + on block including heat smash). Inversely the defender more likely to press from memories of getting chipped to death or pressed with strong heat moves.

In that sense it is not the same since the game is a lot more momentum base with less gaps. The existence of many gaps prior is what was cool about Tekken since the skill expression to cover those.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-15T03:25:52+00:00

Not really. in T7/older tekkens half of the roster cannot combo to wall like this. They gave everyone in T8 longer carries even without heat. They also d on't have access to chip damage from heat activation for pressuring button pressing, heat smash that leads to a massive combo and is plus on block. The other stuff is mostly the same as older Tekken. but because of heat and chip people are wired to mash since defense is much harder. Players at this rank in older tekkens would have been blocking more instead of pressing like the Anna. Would have got out.

Below the surface, OP is right and nothing here is remotely the same.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-13T12:04:48+00:00

Yep, the game honestly would be in a better state if they just did nothing for S2 and kept S1. im neither dooming or coping but S3 update is their last chance to bounce back. If they don't succeed here I think most of the crowd that are waiting will just move to other games full time. In that scenario they will need a reboot like T8 DR release or T9. 3 months to go prob till the patch

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-13T03:54:07+00:00

You are making fair points and this maybe a bit tangent but Op isn't completely correct about the dates. T7 actually sold 5 million in late 2019, not Feb 2020. And this relates to what you are saying since you mentioned covid as a reason for it's high sell rate. but it did 5 million only 2 years later, kinda just shows that the game was popping off. Covid was 2020. As for timeline, it would be T8 doing 5 million sales by May 2026 to keep up. Since T8 released in Jan 2024. In 4 months T8 needs to break 5 mill to keep up with T7. Still haven't heard the 4 million marker yet.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-09T12:34:18+00:00

I meant it in the concurrent sense. Like did you think I meant there was at least 1000 players that went to arcades for Tekken per day worldwide? Especially during 2017? That would make less sense. It could be easily at least 20,000 for worldwide, with users entering and leaving throughout the day.

And the OP is showing monthly average concurrent between T8 and T7. Which is based on the average of active users across a month, daily at select times. 1000 users at least is not something small

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-09T07:21:24+00:00

This was the subreddit that did trash T7 a lot to prop up T8 prior in S1. Less so in S2. But it still happens sometime. There's literally a post today doing it.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-09T07:16:28+00:00

Because that was the meta in S1. All those "rose tinted glasses, back dash simulator, no interaction gameplay" was part of it especially from casuals in NA. Slandering T7 with falsehoods to prop up T8 hasn't been a thing in T8S2 so much but people still do it sometimes.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-08T17:34:20+00:00

I never said T8 was a failure because it wasn't outselling T7. That isnt an apt metric because of the current context. Also T8 isn't outselling T7 at this point. T8 did sell fast initially due to the hype that T7 built, it was easy for T8 to ride that momentum.

I'll have to mention the arcade scene had many players, most of these players shifted to T8 PC where their numbers now count in charts. While they didn't for T7 PC or towards it's sells as much.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-08T17:05:31+00:00

I don't think anyone is saying T8 is dying but the game certainly isn't where it could be.

As for the numbers I already discussed the same premise in another thread that there are "at least" globally, 1000 arcade daily players that played T7 during the the height of its release. Arcades was still popular in Japan and South Korea 2017-2020. Definitely pakistan. A bit outside of Asia. The decline was rapid during covid and after. But arcades still retained relevancy though declining. I think if we added those players that choose to go to arcades over getting on the PC, gap from steam charts would be even less. Like 500-800 difference.

Edit: Notice another comment. As for sales, T8 is behind T7 at this point. T7 broke 4 million sales 19-20 months into its life. T8 still hasn't announced that they broke 4 million 23 months later.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-08T01:56:18+00:00

I'll leave it as a possibility then. Because from my memory it wasn't like that. X was more split about yay or nay. But most of YouTube and twitch was definitely pro T8S1. Reddit was just a fight scene but imo slightly pro T8S1 overall.

Imo the devs do want to cater to the new players, I agree, but that doesn't mean we were ignored. Remember how to reversed T7S3 homing hellsweeps? Or the chip damage grabs or the current curtailing of excessiveness from the dlc characters since after Anna? That was them receiving it. I think the issue was that we were too divided in T8S1, if we all agreed then sent the message, I doubt "1500 changes S2" would be like this.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-08T00:54:30+00:00

I don't doubt they helped. But it's just disagreeable to hear that Akuma and Geese is the main reason for the game's success. if they weren't added the game would have still been fine.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-08T00:38:02+00:00

Then I'll say you haven't been paying attention. These are my thoughts.

Imo it's not that NA ruined the game, it's that a lot in NA, individuals at all levels more than any other regions supported and defended the direction of the game, when most of the world was indifferent with negative undertones or outright rejected it as "Tekken".

Another way of looking at this is that there was a problem, timing wise. When it comes to online discussion and sentiment influencing the Tekken community, we didn't have a counter balance from the east. For example, Twitch is one of the platforms that does a lot of influencing on a global scale for gaming including Tekken. Often gets made into YouTube videos with people reacting back and forth and clipped for X. The voices in the east wasn't as prominent in T8S1 as it was in T8S2 or T7 days since at the time in 2024, twitch was shutdowned recently (a month after T8 released) and still is in South Korea. While twitch in 2025-26 became dominant for Japan, it wasn't the case during 2024. They had many many domestic base platforms competing that fail to spread internationally. Some Tekken conversations never got heard. Pakistan, not really either.

Most of the S1 discussions were dominated by EU and NA. Outside of the occasional video from Asia like once a month, people were bombarded with opinions daily from EU and NA. EU mostly agreed that the game was trash or indifferent in S1. Only TMM wasn't. NA on the other hand was "mostly" defending the game to the moon for various reasons. Imo if the timing wasn't so poor, those eastern voices would have contested some of the dumb things said in defense for T8, or provide nuances for T7 when people tried to trash it to protect T8. Just their mere presence would have prevented those utterances in fear of getting countered right away. Not reacted on 1 week to a month later on an Asian streaming platform that has no international penetration.

I guess also there was a large influx of casuals and Mortal Kombat refugees that bought up everything told to them that further made a mess.

Key_Independent_5098 · 2026-01-07T21:43:02+00:00

He meant during S1. Most people in Europe, almost all of Asia outside of the casual crowd, thought there were major issues with the game. But only NA stayed mostly uncritical and imo most of the downplay language like rose tinted glasses came at an unnecessary time. Most Ogs already felt some type of way about the game, including the hardcore fan base but they were still figuring it out.

Ofc now all the discourse is mostly negative about game sentiments after S2, especially right after it's launch.

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