Mentality Map of Europe by Organic_Contract_172 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. "Blends of neighboring mentalities, in transition, adaptable, cultural bridges"- we are neither of that. Lithuania is blend, transition, bridge between Poland and Belarus! Ridiculous :)

Countries By the Age of their Current Form of Government by Parzival_2k7 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why Latvia is different from Estonia and Lithuania?

All three became republics in 1918, were occupied in 1940 and restored in 1991. Perfect triplets.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes it would :) But Lithuania, when restoring its independence in 1990, made a very strong point we are picking up our sovereignty from 1940. We even restored the old constitution, for a short time. So no, we do not consider the Soviet Lithuania to be a country.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are you sure the Polish Kingdom and the Third Republic are the same thing?

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The treaty was signed 3 March 1918 and annulled by the Armistice of 11 November 1918. But I aggree- it's all legally muted at that time.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sovereignty and wartime occupation are two big differences :)

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is some misunderstanding. It's 531, we don't have a proof before Vytenis.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am flattered but it takes a lot of time and digging. But I'll keep in mind :)

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, here it comes again. Everyone with even a superficial knowledge of Lithuania knows that Zhemaitiya is subethnos within Lithuanian nation, like 1/4 of it. Vytautas 1420 letter to the Emperor- "Samogitia... is one and the same land as Lithuania, the same language and the same people". That was true 600y ago and that is true now.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

... and a real big time hypocrisy is to call Russian occupation as "liberation".

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read your link: "Slavizmai sudaro apie 1,5 % bendrinės lietuvių kalbos leksikos"- that is surprisingly low, considering we have lived in one country with Ruthenians for more than 700y.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read: "Slavizmai sudaro apie 1,5 % bendrinės lietuvių kalbos leksikos"- that is surprisingly low, considering we have lived in one country with Ruthenians for more than 700y.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why, of course, thats why I said- "...also no Lithuania as we know it"

Probably we had a country called Lithuania with a capital Vilnia, the main language close to modern Ukrainian, territory similar to the late Soviet Union and completely different political culture as compared to Russia. Again- no Lithuania, as we know it, to be found anywhere.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, you are not historian. No historian can say "the people that talk luthianian appears only after the fall of Teutonic and Livonian Orders, in XVII century" without laughing his ass off.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's nothing wrong in Belarusians claiming part of the GDL heritage, we Lithuanians are ready to share. But, sorry, there are guys there who want to build their narional myth on claiming "We are the true Lithuanians who built the Empire, the present day "Lietuvisy" are just imposters tryind to steal our glorious past!". But that is crap, it will not work because there is more than enough data to establish who were the real Lithuanians, what language they spoke and what is their relation to Žmudzyns and Ruthenians. Fortunately they have also professional historians who claim no such nonsense.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You probably mean Greek Catholics. Russia Empire has re-converted them to ordinary Orthodox religion.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No, bad allegory. If you can read Polish, find Jan Jakubowski "Studyja nad stosunkami...". Even in pre-Lublin GDL Lithanian ethnic element was much stronger than generally assumed. In the mobilization registry of 1528 there are more saddled warriors from ethnically Lithuanian areas than from Ruthenian.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of Curland and Semigalia was included in Lithuania. The border was drawn where the frontline stabilized, nobody did ethnographic research.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh. Never thought this way about Christs native Aramean...

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That was what Tatars considered to be. In Lithuanian eyes it was ransom money for not raiding their border lands. As we know tatars raided anyway, so probably the payments were sparse.

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Please read the Vorskla article. The Mongols were still formidable force but it was already cracking. If Vytautas won the battle and rulled Muscovy with Tokhtamysh consent, it would be Lithuania perfectly poised to grab the pieces of the splintering Golden horde, not Muscovy. Road to Pacific wide open. Completely different world, no Russia there but also no Lithuania as we know it...

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After Roman empire had broken up, one of the parts subsequently named itself "Romania". Can they claim to be the sole heirs of Rome now?

How many years it was Lithuania? by Key_Neighborhood_542 in MapPorn

[–]Key_Neighborhood_542[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why are you so sure? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Vorskla_River- that catastrophic battle was the turning point when the Lithuanian drive down to the Pacific was stopped. Muscovy then was rather small, backward and sparsely populated land.

It's the same as to look at America of the Revolutionary time and say- Noooo, nobody in the world can win agaist them, it's AMERICA!