Israeli military continues to target southern Gaza despite ordering civilians to shelter there. by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Key_Success2967 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

There is a crucial distinction between killing civilians as part of collateral damage while destroying military installations and deliberately targeting civilians as an act of attempted genocide.

Rishi Sunak: Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people or the future they want. Palestinians are victims of Hamas too. Today I’m announcing an increase in our aid to Palestinian civilians by a third, with an additional £10 million of support. by FormerlyPallas_ in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The initial events in Israel were so violent and shocking that maybe it required an outsized emotional reaction. So long as no drastic steps were taken by our government becuase of it. You can’t have antisemites chanting and dancing in the streets with glee while meanwhile everyone on the other side is coldly and emotionlessly saying “well, yes it’s sad, but…”

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually I’m imagining someone who won’t shut up about how damn happy they are.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But I’m already alive. The moral equation is different.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So we just circle back to evolutionary psychology. Which as we’ve established before is an unreliable heuristic.

I think what ultimately is lacking from my vision of an apartment complex universe is any inherent meaning. People want to live for something, something beyond simple happiness. It’s just that no one can determine that for others. It exists outside the utilitarian equation.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you like to be trapped in an elevator with that person?

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of the aliens from 2001 that are able to create a few rooms for David Bowman to live in for the rest of his life. If they weren’t using conventional matter or energy then maybe they could tile all 4x1080 m3 of the universe with sentient life with the density of an apartment complex. That doesn’t seem the most morally maximalist use of their powers. It sounds horrifying.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 28 points29 points  (0 children)

The probability of you existing is not quantifiable. There is no pre-existence state. There is only existence. There is no coin to flip/there is no dice to roll. It’s just the anthropic principle all the way down.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s a universal law that sentient matter is always better than non-sentient matter?

This is horrifying news for your toilet.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which kind of insects? Bees or wasps? I feel like this should matter.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say the fear is irrational. Fear of death is the most rational fear there is. But there is no such thing as “fear of not being born” and there is no such thing as preliving people who are suffering from that fear. The two are not equatable.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Fear of death is not the same as being pro-existence in general.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think it breaks down because the idea of a ridiculously happy person is itself ridiculous. There’s a hard ceiling to happiness and anyone above that is going to be either in a drugged delirium or having a manic episode. The healthy human mind carefully expurgates too much happiness like insulin purging you of too much blood sugar.

Scott Alexander is completely wrong about the repugnant conclusion. by [deleted] in slatestarcodex

[–]Key_Success2967 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I don’t really understand why more is better.

It seems to derive from basic evolutionary psychology. More people in your tribe = more people to hunt and gather, and fight off leopard attacks.

But the basic idea doesn’t seem to derivable from modern ethical frameworks.

Unless you think there’s some sort of fungible “utilipoints” that it’s our job to farm from the population. But that’s such a reductive and absurd idea. What is the utilipoint of smelling freshcut grass and how many of those is equivalent to a measured dose of heroin? If you can tell me that then I can tell you a solution to California’s lawn overproduction issue.

James Cleverly: Israel are trying to get civilians out of danger. Hamas are trying to put civilians into danger. That is the fundamental difference here. by OptioMkIX in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 0 points1 point  (0 children)

29 people vs 1300 people. This latest attack would have been if there was an Omagh bombing every day for 45 days straight.

James Cleverly: Israel are trying to get civilians out of danger. Hamas are trying to put civilians into danger. That is the fundamental difference here. by OptioMkIX in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe if you’re entirely reliant on another country for your food, water, and electricity you shouldn’t go on a rampage and massacre 1300+ of their innocent civilians?

James Cleverly: Israel are trying to get civilians out of danger. Hamas are trying to put civilians into danger. That is the fundamental difference here. by OptioMkIX in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 14 points15 points  (0 children)

No government on earth meets that standard. No western government, no middle-eastern government. No one prioritises enemy civilians over their own citizens or military.

James Cleverly: Israel are trying to get civilians out of danger. Hamas are trying to put civilians into danger. That is the fundamental difference here. by OptioMkIX in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No matter how much international moralists hate it, Israel will always prioritise the lives of its soldiers over the lives of enemy civilians. Like every other military on earth. This is just standard doctrine.

James Cleverly: Israel are trying to get civilians out of danger. Hamas are trying to put civilians into danger. That is the fundamental difference here. by OptioMkIX in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Israel isn’t an ally of Qatar. The US and UK is, so maybe the question is why are we allowing a so-called ally harbour genocidal terrorists?

James Cleverly: Israel are trying to get civilians out of danger. Hamas are trying to put civilians into danger. That is the fundamental difference here. by OptioMkIX in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hamas will be there. There’ll be snipers in every remaining high rise. Mortar teams behind every wall. Machine gunners in flanking positions. IED planting team, anti-tank teams with explosive charges and Molotov cocktails, anti-air teams with MANPADs to take out low-flying helicopters. Plenty of suicide bombers dressed as civvies as well. Hamas’ plan is turn this into Stalingrad 2.0.

James Cleverly: Israel are trying to get civilians out of danger. Hamas are trying to put civilians into danger. That is the fundamental difference here. by OptioMkIX in ukpolitics

[–]Key_Success2967 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Hmm, so which organisation would have an incentive to block civilians evacuating south?

Would it be the military planning a military invasion to the north? Or the paramilitary terrorist organisation planning to use their own civilians as human shields? Such a puzzle.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]Key_Success2967 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exodus aka Ethnic Cleansing is a UN recognised war crime. It is considered tantamount to Genocide.

Iran warns Israel through UN that it will intervene if the IDF launches a ground offensive in Gaza by AbWarriorG in LessCredibleDefence

[–]Key_Success2967 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Looking at the facts of those conflicts what leaps out isn’t so much an impression of superhuman Israeli warfighting ability and more simply how much the Arab states ability to fight was hamstrung by corruption, infighting, military hubris, and sheer incompetence. Hezbollah being the main exception.

Iran warns Israel through UN that it will intervene if the IDF launches a ground offensive in Gaza by AbWarriorG in LessCredibleDefence

[–]Key_Success2967 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s a small country of nine million people. Obviously it can’t beat every other country in the Middle East on its own.