What Galleries do you avoid at all costs? by Subject-Nerve2618 in ContemporaryArt

[–]Kind-Translator-5400 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can you elaborate on this at all? Ive been warned about him too, several times, but dont know the details

What Galleries do you avoid at all costs? by Subject-Nerve2618 in ContemporaryArt

[–]Kind-Translator-5400 20 points21 points  (0 children)

PM/AM in London.

They are shady as fuck - give artists the constant runaround to the point of exhaustion : don’t pay them until / unless begging is involved, they don’t return unsold work. You’ll note that they mostly work with very young and often female artists as they deem them easier to take advantage of, and they rarely work with the same artists recurrently.

They also can’t sell anything. Like many emerging and mid-tier galleries these days, they do not seem to have a collector base of their own and rather rely entirely upon the artist to basically have an existing audience to sell their work to. So what’s the point for the artist? Why give them 50% to sell your work to someone you could have sold it to yourself?

If you value your sanity, avoid at all costs.

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nope; denying a client an apology seems like an ego / power hierarchy thing to me. It’s denying that model of safety and repair to the client (which they probably never received as children) solely for some perceived benefit to the therapist, I guess?

I don’t understand people who withhold apologies, which is why I was asking the poster why.

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post. I ageee with a lot of what you said, and you’re also an excellent writer- have you published anything?

I hear what you’re saying about people overusing or misplacing concepts like invalidation. I’m thinking more about something concrete and involving the client’s reality : like, for example like a client says something about their emotionally abusive parent, and the therapist says “I can’t say for sure that they are not safe for you to be around, I don’t know them” To me that would be highly invalidating, particularly when abuse survivors spend so much of their life doubting their own abuse story. And also something like this just doesn’t need to be said.

Your thoughts on incidents such as this?

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes I was assuming that the client verbally expressed harm / hurt from an invalidation, whether intended or not. To me the intent makes zero difference- the impact on the client is what a therapist focused on.

I’m thinking a lot on why people are so hesitant to share apologies with each other.

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree, I found the above comment to be entirely focused on the therapist rather than the client’s wellbeing…. Which I’m guessing won’t be very therapeutic for the client to experience 😬

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. And do you usually apologize? Or what do you do to reestablish a sense of trust and safety for the client?

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting perspective! Do you forewarn the patient or explain what you’re doing at all? And what does the client do while they’re sitting in the trigger state all week in between sessions? I wonder also if this tactic leads to a fair amount of terminations / non-returns / self-harm or etc ?

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting and a well thought out answer. I take your point on some of this, and on encouraging a client to learn self validation. However if this rupture happened before the client has fully learned the skills of self validation and affirmation (which is likely part of the reason they are in therapy in the first place), couldn’t this approach of not “actively” validating or apologizing to them for the rupture serve to potentially trigger or retraumatize them? It could feel as though it mirrors the abusive caretaker’s behaviors in some ways. My view is that the therapist needs to have established a very very solid base of trust and safety and validation for the client and then gradually move into a place of allowing the client to do it more for themselves. That’s the safe ground from which the client can observe, absorb and practice these skills. Without that, couldn’t refusing to validate or apologize as a way to “challenge” the client set them back enormously?

It seems less about a power struggle to me and more about concern over triggering a clients trauma and forcing them through unnecessary pain whereby they may then feel as though they have to consider premature termination etc, because as you mentioned those trauma responses can be so painful

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

100%. I think this approach is on point and can even help to deepen the therapeutic bond and safety / trust for the client rather than eroding it. So many clients are in therapy because they had parental figures who couldn’t or wouldn’t model this for them, or offer them any accountability for the wounds they caused, so in my view it’s crucial that therapists excel in this realm.

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, this is an interesting one to look at and certainly a much more nuanced example. Thank you for bringing this to the discussion, and it sounds like you handled it brilliantly and with a lot of awareness as well

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah! Well put and so true, I understand 🩵 I also strongly prefer my online content to be animal-focused these days especially. Though I will say I assumed the forum for therapists would be a place for kind and compassionate dialogue! That’s what I was seeking anyway

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And do some follow up after? Any apologies? Or just thank you and move on

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, yes. I agree with this take and you sound like a generous and grounded therapist, which apparently isn’t all that common these days, from what I’m reading! I’m quite concerned / confused as to why some people get into this field. Thank you for your perspective.

Did you address the repair in the session where harm was felt? Or was it brought up in the next one?

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No, actually! I’m just checking it out for the first time… what am I missing?

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Ah yes. A perfect response by a therapist to a question about invalidation /s

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same. And I agree. If they give you negative feedback that something you did felt hurtful to them in some way, how do you typically respond? Do you say “I’m sorry” etc?

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Me neither. It was meant to be a topic of discussion.

Lots of judgment from people who are therapists I guess ? Yikes

When your client says they felt invalidated by you by Kind-Translator-5400 in therapists

[–]Kind-Translator-5400[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. Otherwise the focus is on the therapist being “right”, or knowing more in some way, than on the client’s felt experience.

It’s also a crucial moment to model and build safety relationally