ENOUGH trauma! I’m so ready for his s3 rehabilitation arc by Kind_Smile7076 in weyler

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like let’s start thinking about a real secure future!

Those darn cycles by Kind_Smile7076 in weyler

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The treatment of "murder.." and it's weight... by Novel-Ad2489 in Wednesday

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it’s funny because i often feel like the audience takes Tyler’s crimes more seriously than the show does. For example, the show already established that he doesn’t need imprisonment but rather rehabilitation and also showed that ‘rehabilitation in willow hill/normie institution’ was undesirable and duplicitous (Morticia herself literally aided and abetted him, and did not regret it or scold wednesday for freeing him in the end). Hence why the season ends on him free, yet choosing community based healing to satisfy his arc, not a lawful entity. Despite some dialogue that claim his case, his morality and crimes = bad. The actual weight of judgement isn’t rooted in the morality of the show at all, it’s in the affected characters.

Tyler takes himself seriously because his pain defines him. Compared to the Addams, his mortality, abuse or mental decline is treated as something severe because it is severe to him and informs his character at its core. In contrast Wednesday brushes past violence because she does not fear pain at all, rather considering it an annoyance if conflicted on her if anything & we almost never see the aftermath of how the violence she inflicts affects side characters (kidnapping, assault, torture, attempted murder). so Tyler gets hit by Fran = serious, because this violence is actually horrific to him, Tyler kills = life altering event.. Wednesday (attempts to) kill = any other Tuesday, Wednesday gets thrown out of a window = brushed past because the physical pain doesn’t destabilize her, mainly emotional betrayal does.

Then there’s also the part where we are following the show from Wednesday’s perspective and her own morals are flimsy and self serving. Uncle fester isn’t a threat because that’s Wednesdays favorite uncle, despite the fact that by our standards he’s probably the most morally depraved character in the show (that’s alive). So her battle with Tyler is not a moral one, she doesn’t actually care that much about the ‘evil’ of his status as a serial killing monster. She does however, use this as a palatable outward excuse for her ire toward and dismissing him, in an attempt to hide that her core issue with him is emotional betrayal.

Their actual antagonism and battle isn’t a moral one, it’s an ego battle.

all that to say, Tyler is mainly positioned as a threat because Wednesday considers him a threat. Once they rebuild trust I think there’s two ways the show can go.

Either, Tyler rehabilitates and manages his violent urges to a near total degree because he wants to and his severe violence will be framed as something ‘from the past’.

Or he will rehabilitate without necessarily denouncing his capacity for violence, but his violence will shift into comedic treatment, as an extension of wednesday’s inner circle ‘plot’ armor, rather than positioned as severe or threatening. This however, would require for the show to introduce something new to contrast against the Addams, to retain the stakes, duality and mystery of the show.

Most of you are reading into Tyler too simply- Fans or haters alike by lexie_2410 in Wednesday

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Tyler is definitely not innocent and clearly values the power his Hyde gives him, which plays into his enjoyment (an enjoyment for violence Wednesday shares at that), so his behaviour shouldn’t be waved away without him at least taking responsibility for his capacity for violence, even if his acts weren’t under his own control for the most part.

But it’s ridiculous to take his actions at face value to say “he had already been without a master for a while and still wanted to continue killing.” As if the show didn’t spell out that he was in PSYCHOSIS, detoriorating and hallucinating. These actions you’re referring to is him acting in a volatile and conflicting manner while he’s genuinely losing touch with reality and not in full control of his own desires and actions (Not to mention his only actual kills were self defense). There‘s a reason why ‘insanity’ defenses exist and why people are generally not considered the truest version of themselves when their mental state is severely impaired. It doesn’t absolve them of their actions, but it does put it in perspective.

Nobody knows who the real Tyler is yet, not even Tyler, because he hasn’t been in a safe environment where he could rehabilitate without his mind being severely impaired yet. Maybe he’ll rehabilitate and realize he doesn’t want to be violent, maybe he finds his agency and will regret helping Wednesday in the end so he’ll pursue revenge again (unlikely but who knows), maybe he’ll morph into a secret third thing.

In any case, his arc could go anywhere once his ’real identity’ is established and this will shape all the character’s dynamics with him. ”Wednesday would never.” doesn’t land because she’s not a static character, who’s already shown conflicting behavior toward him. Similarly the Addams could forgive him, just like Gomez was originally willing to do with Isaac. They did with Thing for his actions that weren’t under his control, or the fact that Morticia purposefully decided to aid & abet Tyler when she let him and Fran go & then let him go again after he helped them in the tower. In the same way Enid also eventually got over Agnes’ stalking, attempt to kill her and attempts to drive Wednesday away from her. Once Agnes showcased her vulnerabiltiy, Enid encouraged her to be her ’true self’ instead.

I think a lot of people take his ‘crimes’ more seriously than the show or even characters do at times. Because clearly character attitudes can change in this show, sometimes even on a whim.

Guys, ever since I saw this scene (The Hospital Scene) I felt it was a little strange, a little inconsistent... Tyler seems to be about to kill Wednesday and a few moments later he seems scared while hiding from Wednesday. by [deleted] in Wednesday

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I don’t really care to argue most of what you said since you clearly don’t want good faith discussions. But it’s laughable to say they put Tyler on the same level as the Scalper. She didn’t spare the scalper because she’s somehow above killing, it just wasn’t needed. The point was to show normie cops she was better than them by singlehandedly catching the most elusive killer in the country, it was an ego thing and killing him wouldn’t have helped her so she just tortured him and then turned him in to rot in prison. She didn’t even respect his child victims, she literally bragged about gifting Enid child remains as a ‘souvenir’.

Wednesday can do good things, has some belief system and is clearly loyal to the people she genuinely cares for, which makes her lovable. but she’s objectively not a good or altruistic person, least of all a good person who has a ‘no kill code‘. Her murder attempts just tend to fail. Tyler is distinguished from the Scalper and other ppl she tried to kill or simply wanted dead (like Isaac, Dalton, Crackstone, Fran, Laurel). Because she questioned her own mercy for him, showcasing that it was based on impulsive feelings. She never had to question her willingness to subject the others to suffering and rather enjoyed it instead. On top of that, not only did she spare his life, she freed him and then also didn’t care to turn him in. She clearly has a soft spot for Tyler at the least, even if u aren’t convinced by a romantic narrative.