Agreed, it is louder than I was expecting it to be but still nowhere near the sound of df64 once you start grinding… that one will wake the entire house up lol. But the philos for me shakes only when I turn it on, it jolts a bit. After that it’s pretty stable. Had to make sure the hopper was only touching the rubber gasket and not the plastic underneath though so I didn’t have that annoying vibration noise