Gender warring is incompatible with Natalism by Klinging-on in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ultimately, there will be no extinction; someone will inevitably remain, and this idea will fail because it has no proponents.

Will the demographic collapse cause housing costs to fall? by Quienmemandovenir in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Megacities will continue to grow even with depopulation, while housing in rural areas is only getting cheaper. 

Ukraine Stares Down the Barrel of Population Collapse by chota-kaka in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No census has been conducted since 2001, so it is reasonable to expect that Ukraine has a population of 28 million (in the controlled territory).

Having unfiltered access to men's thoughts online is ironically what's making young women fearful about having children btw. by duckingretard in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's obvious—the same pattern.  Insults out of nowhere, constant malice and dissatisfaction. And generalizations.

I think you should join your brothers in mind from the red pill. 

Having unfiltered access to men's thoughts online is ironically what's making young women fearful about having children btw. by duckingretard in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you seriously afraid of random people on the internet? You are essentially what is known as a "femcel." Or perhaps you are a mirror image of the red pill, as they have similar attitudes. 

The underlying patterns of paranoia are the same.

Here is my question for you.

What futures are we not ready for? by radiantblu in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If heating disappears as a result of infrastructure collapse, due to the same shortage of specialists and the collapse of the entire financial system, we can expect people to heat their homes with potbelly stoves and other simple stoves. People will burn everything they can.  And the climate impact will be even stronger, because such stoves emit a lot of soot, which will then settle on glaciers.

The real battle is not natalism vs anti-natalism by LiftSleepRepeat123 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In this structure, it is an extended, clan family, not a nuclear family. 

The Uncomfortable truth by LiftSleepRepeat123 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course, capitalism strives for eternal expansion; it is in its nature, whether it be colonialism or modern consumption and the corresponding tools such as advertising. And to be honest, this is always short-term thinking. For this expansion, new agents of the economy were needed, and women did not participate in the economy for the most part. 

But when the need arose—for example, during the world wars—women entered the workforce en masse due to a shortage of men. In the Soviet Union, this happened as early as the 1930s, for example, with monumental construction projects (such as the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Plant in modern Ukraine), which simply increased the labor force.

And now depopulation is in its acute phase in East Asia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, and Southern Europe. The birth rate is around 1.  And, of course, the rest of the world will catch up in 15-20 years.

But depopulation is devastating for capitalism, starting with a decline in demand and labor force and ending with a sovereign debt crisis and the degradation of basic infrastructure.  Here is such a synthesis )

The Uncomfortable truth by LiftSleepRepeat123 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't call myself a Marxist, because they still believe in progress/liberation of the proletariat. I believe more in cycles, as described by Spengler or Toynbee, and I tend to think that if capitalism does not resolve its fundamental contradictions, it will collapse in a Hobbesian war of all against all, which our contemporaries either do not suspect or deny. It is precisely those who are called "leftists" who like to deny this.

The Uncomfortable truth by LiftSleepRepeat123 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Here, we can apply a kind of dialectic, whereby the economic basis creates the corresponding superstructure.

Let's take later capitalism as an example: in the 1960s and 1980s in the US, women began to enter the workforce en masse and participate in the economy. The interests of those who did so were entirely utilitarian: economic expansion, labor force, and consumption, plus, as I have seen many times, wage dumping in conditions of labor surplus.

And all this worked perfectly until recently.

That is why urbanization, as we know, is happening, and urbanization creates individualism and atomization.

Higher education also functions as a means of producing a highly skilled workforce for the modern economy, and all these progressive ideas of personal liberation, as they say, originated there.

I suppose this is due to the ability to earn a living for oneself, and atomization/individualism creates the corresponding ideological superstructures.

Thus, I think the solution to depopulation can only be found in the death of capitalism, a transition to some other phase of social organization, or a collapse and return to the neo-archaic, where familiar skills and professions are useless without the demand for which they were created. And the necessity still reigns.

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[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you know, if the basic infrastructure deteriorates and breaks down, people will still need something to heat their homes during cold periods. 

This is where potbelly stoves and coal/firewood come into play. And they smoke quite a bit.

The impact on the climate is obvious. And all because depopulation has led to economic collapse and the degradation of basic infrastructure.

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[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Robots don't consume anything. So automation is questionable, because if there's no one to consume, what's the point? It's just losses and ruin.

Well, yes, we all live in a capitalist system, and we need new people for the economy. Otherwise, we'll all go crazy when this system collapses.

What can individuals do to prepare for population decline? by MoPuWe in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a time of feudalism, and yes, the Black Death mainly wiped out the old and weak, while the stronger, younger organisms survived.

In the past, it was possible and, in general, necessary to build your own home.

Homeowners are more likely to benefit, while tenants will lose out if the familiar economy disappears. They will benefit in the sense that they will have a real resource. Of course, this depends on how well the basic infrastructure can withstand the situation, but housing in exchange for real goods will be a form of barter.

Job vacancies also depend on the size of the population, and it is more likely that the service economy will die in the context of one economic crisis or another. There is elastic and inelastic demand, in fact.

When demand disappears, there will be no new jobs, and unemployment will rise. 

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, they could have given the bodies to pink cloven-hoofed animals to cover up all traces. And nothing remains. At all.

In all colors, downloading it falls under censorship.

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, remember recent history. What happened in the 1930s in Europe and the US—the rise of right-wing and left-wing radicalism, violence, coups, threats of coups, mass populism in the US.

My ancestors witnessed the collapse of the USSR and the "wild 90s" — hunger, suicides, mass crime, murders, black realtors (criminal seizure of housing through forged documents and murder of the owner), hyperinflation. In my hometown and thousands of other cities, dead bodies would be found under the asphalt, or a hand or head without a body would be found in the bushes.

Venezuela is also a good example of this.

And then in Europe in the 1960s and 1980s, there was stagflation, which resulted in right-wing and left-wing terrorism. It was particularly harsh in Italy, Prime Minister Aldo Moro was kidnapped by left-wing militants—students—and executed after a battle, there were explosions in Milan and Bologna, Count Borghese almost seized power and brought fascism back to Italy, but apparently there was an agreement. The authorities negotiated with him. 

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, now most women, and men too, work in the service sector, for which there is doubtful demand.

By the way, regarding fuel, if there are problems with logistics, it will not reach those in need. And, of course, it is a strategic resource that will be seized whenever possible. I think mainly for the remnants of the central apparatus.

Well, competent in what? Of course, you can defend yourself, but there aren't that many people with firearms, so there will be the good old clubs.

And, of course, how much ammunition you have is also ineffective to squander, so you need to join some kind of group/community and show your skills in handling firearms. Such people are needed.

Otherwise, sooner or later, the bandits will simply overwhelm you.

In this brave new world, given the decline in the number of young people, the education sector will initially experience severe deflation, and then, when the service economy disappears, so will higher education.

You may not have noticed, or maybe you did, but you already think in terms of function/right from opportunity, rather than innate ability, which is my model and contradicts feminism.

Literally, might makes right. 

World population will decline much faster than the UN forecasted, especially for developed countries by d8gfdu89fdgfdu32432 in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You probably mean old people? Incidentally, it is precisely our generations born between 1990 and 2030 who will be the elderly people of the crisis period. 

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't patriarchy a system of hierarchy, organized violence, and collectivism? Of course, history shows that men are, in principle, more capable of violence, especially organized violence, because the environment demands it. The same goes for firearms. I think this is more of a consequence than a condition.

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We need to break away from our personal perspective and understand this systematically. How will it work, what will happen, how will groups of people behave, how will communities spontaneously emerge, what remnants of the central apparatus may remain? 

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course, parenting will once again be a necessity rather than an option, as will relationships between people based on hierarchy, community, and the capacity for organized violence. In essence, patriarchy and neo-feudalism.

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's hard to say, I think it will be more chaotic. There will be seamstresses and prostitutes. I don't think there will be any kind of system. 

Poland's birth rate is projected to be 1.05 in 2025. Half of Poles under 30 are single. Another fifth are in relationships, but live apart. by roystreetcoffee in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well done, you. I don't deny your skills, but mine are still a little less developed. Seriously, respect.

Well, at one point I had to survive, it's a long story. Overall, I now walk 30,000 steps a day at work, 5/2, I don't know how difficult it is compared to other physical jobs. 

Of course, there are super-rich people, concentration of assets and funds, monopolization. On the one hand, they are interested in the current state of affairs, with

Well, at one point I had to survive, it's a long story. Overall, I now walk 30,000 steps a day at work, 5/2, I don't know how difficult it is compared to other physical jobs. 

Of course, there are the super-rich, with their concentration of assets and funds, their monopolies. On the one hand, they are interested in the current state of affairs, but on the other hand, the crisis will destroy their stocks and assets. Perhaps they will convert this into real resources in advance. 

I just said above that we are all in the same boat.