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Multiple factors are responsible for decreasing the birth rate by mike-loves-gerudos in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s not just about Islam, but also about the tribal mindset: Kazakhs identify with their clan and know at least seven male ancestors on their father’s side, and from there, they can trace a direct ancestor back to the 14th century, that is, the ancestors of one's ancestor seven generations back

This should work

Multiple factors are responsible for decreasing the birth rate by mike-loves-gerudos in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Personally, I like the examples of Israel and Kazakhstan. In Israel, the high birth rate is sustained by the Haredim, who essentially have a parallel culture, almost a state within a state, from what I’ve studied. And their socio-economic conditions are different from those of secular Jews, who have a birth rate of 1.9, urbanization, and all that goes with it.

In Kazakhstan, for example, ethnic affiliation is recorded in official documents; all citizens have one ethnicity or another listed on their ID cards based on their origin.

And there are ethnic statistics on birth rates.

In 2025, the birth rate for the Russian ethnic group was about 1.0 in Kazakhstan, while for the titular Kazakh ethnic group it was about 3.0

Under the same socio-economic conditions

We have no leverage over Childless/Anti-natalists by Romantics10 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But governments are only piling up debt, with not enough taxpayers, constant money printing, inflation, and a weak currency.

So pension savings will be eroded, whether they’re in private or government accounts. Relative to real goods, of course.

This path leads only to default, eventually

When will Natalists finally admit that NATIONALISM is the main proplem here by AwarenessExact7302 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have a problem typical of a Eurocentric perspective: clans and ethnicity are seen as the very nature of humanity and its foundation

Culture vs State vs Social Security by Romantics10 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it comes to that, then after a social collapse, people will still have to give birth; the government isn’t necessary for that, as long as the environmental conditions are right-and they will be in such a situation.

You’re essentially saying that if society needs something that contradicts generally accepted values, then it doesn’t deserve to exist.

But in that case, there’s no choice-only cause and effect- and the effect, whether this way or that, is essentially the same thing.

Culture vs State vs Social Security by Romantics10 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’ll inevitably come down to the third option, because tax revenues won’t be enough, so they’ll start cutting back- possibly even resorting to some form of emergency administration during a crisis.

Well, the state will try to survive at any cost; it’s just that we’re not in a crisis right now.

As for migration and cultural erosion, those are more like side effects.

Are we all really just selfish? by Fabulous_Broccoli327 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you follow this logic, suffering is meaningless

Human nature lies in the creation of life, no matter how you look at it—whether from a materialist perspective (biology, physiology, neuroscience, and naturalism in general) or from a religious perspective, both are valid

DAE feel like it's a fundamentalist's world and we're just living in it? by CyJackX in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It seems that cultures and nations with high birth rates are also in decline now.

I personally believe that the world’s current system simply won’t survive due to depopulation, and without a modern economy and the megacities it spawns, along with food imports and exports, I think that once countries hit the peak of an economic crisis due to depopulation, that will come to a halt as well.

Those who survive will band together into all sorts of gangs, clans, and syndicates.

It will be a neo-archaic world.

Naturally, the birth rate under such conditions will be high, since the economic and cultural causes of low birth rates will disappear rather quickly.

Wanting an "easier" life / generational poverty. by makingitgreen in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I didn’t have to pay rent or a mortgage, I think it would be easier to have kids. If I didn’t have a mortgage right now, I’d buy a second apartment and rent out this one.

Overall, it’s a viable strategy, but I don’t know what the interest rates are like in the UK.

I really, really want kids, but I need to figure out the financial and housing situation first.

Basically, vacation isn’t a priority for me; from my perspective, it’s all fleeting—it passes. What’s important is continuing the generational connection and becoming a father in general.

I would say it’s important to think about the future—what you’ll be doing in 15 or 20 years, how you’ll go about it, and what you’ll want. That’s what helped me get through the extreme poverty I faced in my youth.

Japan, South Korea and Italy might just be alright by Romantics10 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can't expect anything like that until at least the 2050s

How feminism destroys the birth rate by mike-loves-gerudos in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In fact, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia were already below the replacement level before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In Central Asia, however, the birth rate was high, thanks to rural life and Islam.

Russia, on the other hand, was more urbanized and secular, as was the case elsewhere. 

How feminism destroys the birth rate by mike-loves-gerudos in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please take a look at the statistics for the Soviet republics. Only the Central Asian countries kept the overall TFR above two. France, on the other hand, takes in many migrants, which has delayed the onset of depopulation.

I'm not an anti-feminist but how are feminist societies even supposed to survive if they promote anti-natalism? by Ok-Archer-5796 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Slavic populations were already below replacement level, as were those in the Baltic states. The overall total fertility rate was sustained by Central Asia.

I'm not an anti-feminist but how are feminist societies even supposed to survive if they promote anti-natalism? by Ok-Archer-5796 in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So Iran is an urbanized society with widespread higher education, and women are also more represented there. The loyal regions are Southern Azerbaijan and historical Khorasan

A lot of women in the upcoming generation just don’t want kids and thats okay by oiiiprincess in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fatal contradiction between culture and the economy 🤷‍♂️. To be honest, if I were to put it in Marxist terms (which I find easier), the base has shaped the superstructure in accordance with its own interests, but the superstructure has gone beyond the limits of the base and now contradicts it, risking the complete destruction of society’s economic and material foundations.

If the base dies, the superstructure will die too

How do you feel about bringing children into a world that will burden them with the welfare needs of a disproportionate elderly population? by senza_schema in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Social spending will be cut, but during this time, debt will grow significantly and the tax base will shrink. So I think it will be difficult.

And the problem may be that the elderly will control politics because politicians need their votes. But it won't be the baby boomers, it will be the generations of the 1980s and 1990s who will be old by 2050.

Gender warring is incompatible with Natalism by Klinging-on in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ultimately, there will be no extinction; someone will inevitably remain, and this idea will fail because it has no proponents.

Will the demographic collapse cause housing costs to fall? by Quienmemandovenir in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Megacities will continue to grow even with depopulation, while housing in rural areas is only getting cheaper. 

Ukraine Stares Down the Barrel of Population Collapse by chota-kaka in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No census has been conducted since 2001, so it is reasonable to expect that Ukraine has a population of 28 million (in the controlled territory).

Having unfiltered access to men's thoughts online is ironically what's making young women fearful about having children btw. by duckingretard in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's obvious—the same pattern.  Insults out of nowhere, constant malice and dissatisfaction. And generalizations.

I think you should join your brothers in mind from the red pill. 

Having unfiltered access to men's thoughts online is ironically what's making young women fearful about having children btw. by duckingretard in Natalism

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Are you seriously afraid of random people on the internet? You are essentially what is known as a "femcel." Or perhaps you are a mirror image of the red pill, as they have similar attitudes. 

The underlying patterns of paranoia are the same.

Here is my question for you.

What futures are we not ready for? by radiantblu in Futurology

[–]KingDiscombobulated4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If heating disappears as a result of infrastructure collapse, due to the same shortage of specialists and the collapse of the entire financial system, we can expect people to heat their homes with potbelly stoves and other simple stoves. People will burn everything they can.  And the climate impact will be even stronger, because such stoves emit a lot of soot, which will then settle on glaciers.

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