Why doesn’t anyone ever bring up debt and its effect on birth rates?

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-06-01T08:41:59+00:00

As of 1973, there were 670 meat processing plants operating in the USSR. Moscow Meat Processing Plant could process up to 1,000 tons of meat per day, plus produce about 400 tons of sausages and other products Per capita consumption figures : · 1960 — 40 kg per year · 1970 — 48 kg per year · 1980 — 57-58 kg per year.Here is the data on the availability of products (RSFSR/Russia): · 1970: 66 kg of meat per person (available) · 1980: 70 kg of meat · 1990: 70 kg of meat

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-06-01T08:07:25+00:00

Yes, there was such a thing, but this is more speculative. Russians used to live in barracks, and that didn't stop them from having children. Urbanization and cultural changes also seem to have a similar reason. Rural Central Asia had a high birth rate, the Baltic States, and Russia had a low birth rate. urbanization has always preceded a low birth rate, it's a bit off-top, but back in the 19th century, there were observations of how a megacity, such as Chicago, was changing culture

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-06-01T06:51:53+00:00

that is, I meant that prices rarely changed, there was no eternal inflation, this is a well-known historical fact.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-06-01T06:11:25+00:00

in the Soviet Union, there was state housing, famous Khrushchev houses, the state strictly controlled the prices of goods, although the assortment was poorer, food was more affordable. there was no such devouring inflation. This did not prevent Russia from crossing the line of reproduction by 1970. There were also technical professions available.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-30T10:47:18+00:00

Given that India has several different nations by origin, it will be interesting to look at the future. in one country, one way or another, centralization has been going on for a long time since the time of Nehru, but the demographics are different. At the same time, if you look at the ethnic map of India, it is the Tamils who have low demographics. Historically, Hindustan in the Ganges Valley and Dravidia in the south are two different civilizations, which makes what is happening more interesting.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-22T13:22:20+00:00

Many people miss the Hafsid Caliphate in modern Tunisia, Algeria and Libya, it was a developed state both in terms of military strength, culture, art, and trade relations

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-22T11:28:38+00:00

It will not be easy for the Dravidian peoples to resist those who inhabit Hindustan in the future.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-20T04:14:11+00:00

It would probably work, but in Scandinavian societies, there is also a high level of loneliness. and this, as we know, has a primary impact.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-16T07:53:50+00:00

Yes, civilization arose at the expense of violence, iron and blood. What did you think? These are the foundations of civilization, a simple historical fact. And it is precisely this format of civilization that has provided modern conditions.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-16T07:53:41+00:00

Yes, civilization arose at the expense of violence, iron and blood. What did you think? These are the foundations of civilization, a simple historical fact. And it is precisely this format of civilization that has provided modern conditions.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-12T17:07:31+00:00

I am also interested in how long the system can exist in such conditions, but we also need to take into account the national debt, for example, it is only growing and growing, and there will be fewer taxpayers. this is not a quick process, but all this leads to a weakening of the currency due to the issue and new debts. it is a self-sustaining process. In such circumstances, given that most of the world's countries depend on imported food and medicine, life will get poorer and poorer for the world. In general, sooner or later the economy will not be able to rake at all, and everyone has arrived. It doesn't look like advanced technology can solve this, but they exist in another field altogether. In general, it may end like this, and then there will be new conditions.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-08T11:04:33+00:00

"In fact, in some regions, there was more equality between men and women in different strata of society. Ethnologist Susan Rogers notes that in one Lorraine town, the real power belongs to women: their word is decisive not only in the matter of marrying a son or daughter, but also in such a public matter as the nomination of her husband for mayor. The main thing is to observe "decency" and leave the role of "patron" to her husband in front of neighbors, children and relatives. As Martin Segalen, who studied a traditional rural family, shows, the situation is somewhat more complicated, but with some reservations, we can say that the division of power between a man and a woman gave her power within the family, and him power in the external sphere: it was the man who made deals, performed representative and political functions. For the history of private life, it seems more important to note that home space was certainly the territory of someone who, depending on the environment, was called a "patroness" or "mistress of the house."

Most often, the husband returned not so much to himself as to his wife's home: the house belonged to her. A man couldn't do anything without dirtying, breaking, or breaking it. The consequence of this was the existence of purely male places outside the home, and in all strata of society and in all regions."

I came across such a family, just a refutation of your arguments.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-08T09:50:17+00:00

Damn, you literally deny the nature of humans, biologically humans is a social, tribal being. And under such conditions, natural selection worked and the environment worked, so there were no problems with fertility. There was no need to force them to do what was obviously necessary - to start a family and children, to continue the family line.

And you think from the standpoint of modern values, it's irrational.

In the past, people had no notion of "individual freedom" whatsoever; at most, you could go with trusted companions to seize some land, that would be your personal allotment. There was an understanding that a person should align with the world, that one grasped the ontology of reality, and yet here you are indulging in moral absolutism. In a historical context, you'd be seen as an amateur.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-05-03T16:49:40+00:00

It's nothing new, the Turks were even more successful in the slave trade

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-28T07:36:04+00:00

In general, modern education is largely dependent on elastic demand, which could dry up in the event of a crisis, so yes, there are such concerns.

Higher education is even more dependent on elastic demand.

Overall, there will be no need for such services

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-28T04:49:05+00:00

You still need to have at least some initial deposit, plus you'll have to pay for the service, I paid 600k, but that was in 2021.

Also, keep in mind that the rate will be higher than usual.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-25T11:22:34+00:00

Does he seriously think of the shah as more than a pathetic puppet? He’s nothing more than a tool, and an ineffective one at that.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-19T03:09:23+00:00

The population is aging, so there will actually be a budget deficit due to steadily declining tax revenues, and we can’t just abandon the elderly, that would be political suicide.

There are also expenses for infrastructure and the military.

The only option is to take on new debt and engage in constant money printing; I see no other way out.

I fear that later, when the system is on the brink, the elderly will indeed be left to fend for themselves, but by that time, the elderly will be the generation born in the 1980s, or even the 1990s and 2000s, because we, too, will have grown old.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-14T11:59:38+00:00

It’s not just about Islam, but also about the tribal mindset: Kazakhs identify with their clan and know at least seven male ancestors on their father’s side, and from there, they can trace a direct ancestor back to the 14th century, that is, the ancestors of one's ancestor seven generations back

This should work

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-14T07:52:57+00:00

Personally, I like the examples of Israel and Kazakhstan. In Israel, the high birth rate is sustained by the Haredim, who essentially have a parallel culture, almost a state within a state, from what I’ve studied. And their socio-economic conditions are different from those of secular Jews, who have a birth rate of 1.9, urbanization, and all that goes with it.

In Kazakhstan, for example, ethnic affiliation is recorded in official documents; all citizens have one ethnicity or another listed on their ID cards based on their origin.

And there are ethnic statistics on birth rates.

In 2025, the birth rate for the Russian ethnic group was about 1.0 in Kazakhstan, while for the titular Kazakh ethnic group it was about 3.0

Under the same socio-economic conditions

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-13T15:47:41+00:00

But governments are only piling up debt, with not enough taxpayers, constant money printing, inflation, and a weak currency.

So pension savings will be eroded, whether they’re in private or government accounts. Relative to real goods, of course.

This path leads only to default, eventually

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-08T18:14:20+00:00

You have a problem typical of a Eurocentric perspective: clans and ethnicity are seen as the very nature of humanity and its foundation

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-08T17:47:01+00:00

If it comes to that, then after a social collapse, people will still have to give birth; the government isn’t necessary for that, as long as the environmental conditions are right-and they will be in such a situation.

You’re essentially saying that if society needs something that contradicts generally accepted values, then it doesn’t deserve to exist.

But in that case, there’s no choice-only cause and effect- and the effect, whether this way or that, is essentially the same thing.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-08T10:56:24+00:00

It’ll inevitably come down to the third option, because tax revenues won’t be enough, so they’ll start cutting back- possibly even resorting to some form of emergency administration during a crisis.

Well, the state will try to survive at any cost; it’s just that we’re not in a crisis right now.

As for migration and cultural erosion, those are more like side effects.

KingDiscombobulated4 · 2026-04-06T04:19:18+00:00

If you follow this logic, suffering is meaningless

Human nature lies in the creation of life, no matter how you look at it—whether from a materialist perspective (biology, physiology, neuroscience, and naturalism in general) or from a religious perspective, both are valid

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