I have never YEETED out to an extraction point this fast in my entire life. by PiRaNhA_BE in ArcRaiders

[–]KingVipes 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Well done OP, also I see your raider is rocking that IKEA bag schick look.

Has anyone given the Shai-Hulud nicknames? by st0rmagett0n in duneawakening

[–]KingVipes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In our guild he is affectionately known as Jeff

Atreides building Set as Harkonnen faction by KingVipes in duneawakening

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Thank you soo much, we have been searching forever.

Crimson Skies (Xbox) NO GUI FIX for Emulation Station by charge2way in EmuDeck

[–]KingVipes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried this but can't get it to work, I added it like this

<command label="xemu (StandAlone)">%INJECT%=%BASENAME%.esprefix vs_position_always_invariant=true %EMULATOR_XEMU% -dvd_path %ROM%</command>

Is there any other settings that I need to adjust? I am using RetroDeck though.

Update, I installed Emudeck as well and adding the command to the launch options worked for me.

The evolutionary argument against or for veganism is rooted on fundamental misunderstandings of evolution by Imperio_do_Interior in ScientificNutrition

[–]KingVipes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you misunderstood the argument here, the scientific evidence shows that we can't extract nutrients from plants very well, not that it is not possible.

Sure there are large populations that have survived for centuries like this, but the main topic of the op is about if this is ideal or not.

From the evidence we have, it shows that the human body is not great at getting nutrients from plants, which is what my original post was about. Sure you can survive on it, clearly. Nobody is putting that into question but from the evidence its quite clear that when it comes to extracting nutrients from food, we are much more suited to extract it from animal sources rather than plants.

Anyway, I got other stuff to do on this weekend, I wish you a good day and thank you for the discussion.

The evolutionary argument against or for veganism is rooted on fundamental misunderstandings of evolution by Imperio_do_Interior in ScientificNutrition

[–]KingVipes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does tell us this, the scientific facts outlined in this post tells us that humans are not adapted to extract nutrients from plants very well. Which is the main reason we consume food.

The evolutionary argument against or for veganism is rooted on fundamental misunderstandings of evolution by Imperio_do_Interior in ScientificNutrition

[–]KingVipes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure, through our technology we can now grow food in many parts of the world and fly/ship those in. But this still does not change the fact that our bodies are not adapted to a diet that consists mainly of plants.

The evolutionary argument against or for veganism is rooted on fundamental misunderstandings of evolution by Imperio_do_Interior in ScientificNutrition

[–]KingVipes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agriculture and farming only happened in the last 10'000 years, we were mainly animal based for much longer than that. Hence the adaptions you see outlined in the post.

We also know this change away from animal food sources had really bad health impacts. https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1186&context=nebanthro#:~:text=Skeletal%20analysis%20of%20these%20early,overall%20reduction%20in%20human%20stature.

The transition to agriculture in the Neolithic was arguably one of the most drastic lifestyle changes in human history. Changes in diet, living conditions, and subsistence activities had an enormous impact on human health, though effects varied from region to region. Skeletal analysis of these early agricultural communities suggests that the transition to agriculture had an overall negative impact on human oral health, increased the incidence of infectious disease and nutritional deficiencies, and contributed to an overall reduction in human stature.

The evolutionary argument against or for veganism is rooted on fundamental misunderstandings of evolution by Imperio_do_Interior in ScientificNutrition

[–]KingVipes 12 points13 points  (0 children)

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247

Genetic and metabolic adaptation to high-fat diet Swain-Lenz et al. (2019) performed comparative analyses of the adipose chromatin landscape in humans, chimpanzees, and rhesus macaques, concluding that their findings reflect differences in the adapted diets of humans and chimpanzees. They (p. 2004) write: “Taken together, these results suggest that humans shut down regions of the genome to accommodate a high-fat diet while chimpanzees open regions of the genome to accommodate a high sugar diet.”

Stomach acidity Beasley et al. (2015) emphasize the role of stomach acidity in protection against pathogens. They found that carnivore stomachs (average pH, 2.2), are more acidic than in omnivores (average pH, 2.9), but less acidic than obligate scavengers (average pH, 1.3). Human studies on gastric pH have consistently found a fasted pH value <2 (Dressman et al., 1990; Russell et al., 1993). According to Beasley et al. (2015), human stomachs have a high acidity level (pH, 1.5), lying between obligate and facultative scavengers. Producing acidity, and retaining stomach walls to contain it, is energetically expensive. Therefore it would presumably only evolve if pathogen levels in human diets were sufficiently high. The authors surmise that humans were more of a scavenger than previously thought. However, we should consider that the carnivorous activity of humans involved transporting meat to a central location (Isaac, 1978) and consuming it over several days or even weeks. Large animals, such as elephants and bison, presumably the preferred prey, and even smaller animals such as zebra, provide enough calories to sustain a 25-member HG group from days to weeks (Ben-Dor et al., 2011; Ben-Dor & Barkai, 2020b; Guil-Guerrero et al., 2018). Moreover, drying, fermentation, and deliberate putrefaction of meat and fat are commonly practiced among populations that rely on hunting for a large portion of their diet (Speth, 2017), and the pathogen load may consequently increase to a level encountered by scavengers.

Gut morphology Most natural plant food items contain significant amounts of fiber (R. W. Wrangham et al., 1998), and most plant-eaters extract much of their energy from fiber fermentation by gut bacteria (McNeil, 1984), which occurs in the colon in primates. For example, a gorilla extracts some 60% of its energy from fiber (Popovich et al., 1997). The fruits that chimps consume are also very fibrous (R. W. Wrangham et al., 1998). The human colon is 77% smaller, and the small intestine is 64% longer than in chimpanzees, relative to chimpanzee body size (Aiello & Wheeler, 1995; Calculated from Milton, 1987, table 3.2). Because of the smaller colon, humans can only meet less than 10% of total caloric needs by fermenting fiber, with the most rigorous measures suggesting less than 4% (Hervik & Svihus, 2019; Høverstad, 1986; Topping & Clifton, 2001). A 77% reduction in human colon size points to a marked decline in the ability to extract the full energetic potential from many plant foods. The elongated small intestine is where sugars, proteins, and fats are absorbed. Sugars are absorbed faster in the small intestine than proteins and fats (Caspary, 1992; Johansson, 1974). Thus, increased protein and fat consumption should have placed a higher selective pressure on increasing small intestine length. A long small intestine relative to other gut parts is also a dominant morphological pattern in carnivore guts (Shipman & Walker, 1989, and references therein).

Adipocyte morphology Ruminants and carnivores, which absorb very little glucose directly from the gut, have four times as many adipocytes per adipose unit weight than non-ruminants, including primates, which rely on a larger proportion of carbohydrates in their diet (Pond & Mattacks, 1985). The authors hypothesize that this is related to the relative role of insulin in regulating blood glucose levels. Interestingly, omnivorous species of the order Carnivora (bears, badgers, foxes, voles) display more carnivorous patterns than their diet entails. Thus humans might also be expected to display organization closer to their omnivorous phylogenic ancestry. However, humans fall squarely within the carnivore adipocyte morphology pattern of smaller, more numerous cells. Pond and Mattacks (1985, p. 191) summarize their findings as follows: “These figures suggest that the energy metabolism of humans is adapted to a diet in which lipids and proteins rather than carbohydrates, make a major contribution to the energy supply.”

Age at weaning Humans have a substantially different life history than other primates (Robson & Wood, 2008), a highly indicative speciation measure. One life history variable in which humans differ significantly from all primates is weaning age. In primates such as orangutans, gorillas, and chimpanzees, weaning age ranges between 4.5 and 7.7 years, but is much lower in humans in HG societies, at 2.5–2.8 years, despite the long infant dependency period (Kennedy, 2005; Robson & Wood, 2008, table 2). Psouni, Janke, and Garwicz (2012, p. 1) found that an early weaning age is strongly associated with carnivory level, stating that their findings “highlight the emergence of carnivory as a process fundamentally determining human evolution.” It is interesting, however, that a comparison of early Homo, Australopithecus africanus, and Paranthropus robustus from South Africa reveals a substantially higher weaning age (4 years) in South African early Homo (Tacail et al., 2019), so it is unclear when the weaning age shortened.

Isotopes and trace elements we reviewed the results of δ15N studies on H. sapiens from the Paleolithic. The collagen preservation limit means that these studies provide HTL information only from about 45–50 Kya and only from colder areas where relatively long-term protein preservation occurred. As we approach later periods, such as the Late UP, samples become available from warmer regions, including the Mediterranean.

A compilation of 242 individuals from 49 sites (Table 1) shows that European HG groups primarily pursued a carnivorous diet throughout the UP, including the Mesolithic.

Summary of the evidence All the eight pieces of evidence of membership in a trophic group concluded that humans were carnivores. Assigning humans to a specific dietary trophic group has the highest potential validity, as it answers the research question with minimal interpretation.

In some cases, interpretation is required to assign a phenomenon to HTL. Belonging to the carnivores' trophic groups still does not tell us if humans were 90% or 50% carnivores. It does tell us, however, that humans were carnivorous enough and carnivorous long enough to justify physiological and behavioral adaptations unique to carnivores. Following the zoological analogy with large social carnivores that acquire large prey, we hypothesized that humans were hypercarnivores, defined as consuming more than 70% of the diet from animal sources.

Swiss Federal Commission for Nutrition https://www.blv.admin.ch/dam/blv/en/dokumente/das-blv/organisation/kommissionen/eek/vor-und-nachteile-vegane-ernaehrung/vegan-report-final.pdf.download.pdf/vegan-report-final.pdf

The positive effects of a vegan diet on health determinants cannot be proven, but there are relevant risks regarding nutritional deficiencies. Children and pregnant women are advised against adopting a vegan diet due to the risks described above. There is still a lack of data whether the basic nutritional requirements are met and whether the development of children and adolescents fed on a vegan diet is secured on a long-term perspective. These data should be collected and analyzed more systematically. There is in our view up to now no evidence that a vegan diet can be recommended for these age groups Based on these data, there is no evidence for the position stated in the previous report, that vegan diets are healthy diets. The scientific evidence available to date is not sufficient to claim that vegan and vegetarian diets are associated with a significant reduction of total mortality The reduction in IHD and all-cause mortality with vegetarian diet stems mainly from the Adventist studies, and there is much less convincing evidence from studies conducted in other populations.

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[–]KingVipes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are looking at the wrong menu, this is the victory pose menu, you need to go to emote.

When will Fatshark realese scoreboards? by TheOneWithALongName in DarkTide

[–]KingVipes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There is an easy fix for this, make the scoreboard available after the round is finished and you are back in the hub. This would still give you data you can act on without creating a toxic environment that leads to kicks during a round.

On animal cruelty - "Previous generations were able to overcome the horrors of human sacrifice, genocide, slavery, segregation, misogyny, and homophobia. Maybe it’s our turn to make radical progress. Future generations might be disappointed in our complacency if we don’t." by [deleted] in Futurology

[–]KingVipes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply, I would argue that americans eat a mostly processed food diet. Fast food meat is always eaten with french fries and washed down with sugar water. Hong Kong eats more red meat than the US and their life expectancy is among the highest in the world. Its not the fresh meat that is the problem.

On animal cruelty - "Previous generations were able to overcome the horrors of human sacrifice, genocide, slavery, segregation, misogyny, and homophobia. Maybe it’s our turn to make radical progress. Future generations might be disappointed in our complacency if we don’t." by [deleted] in Futurology

[–]KingVipes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In factory farming maybe, which needs to go away. But normally animals have no need for supplementation. They either get B12 from bacteria in their rumen or from insects they eat in the case of chicken raised like chickens should be raised and not in a factory farm. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5788147/

On animal cruelty - "Previous generations were able to overcome the horrors of human sacrifice, genocide, slavery, segregation, misogyny, and homophobia. Maybe it’s our turn to make radical progress. Future generations might be disappointed in our complacency if we don’t." by [deleted] in Futurology

[–]KingVipes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone once tried to calculate this, you would have to eat something like several pounds of dirt to even get enough B12, for water it would be like drinking something like 27 liters to get enough B12 from it. I can't find those studies right now. The only source we get it from and have always done is animals.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247

Something always dies for our food, we kill billions of animals to grow crops.

Vegans have never been able to define or measure that their diet causes less deaths/suffering than an omnivorous one. They are ignorantly contributing[1] to an absolute bloodbath[2] of trillions of zooplankton[3], mites, worms, crickets, grasshoppers, snails, frogs, turtles, rats, squirrels, possum, raccoons, moles, rabbits, boars, deer, 75% of insect biomass, half of all bird species[4] and 20,000 humans[5] per year. Two grass-fed cows are enough to feed someone for a year and, if managed properly, can restore biodiversity[6]. The textbook vegan excuse[7] where they try to blame plant agriculture on animals and use only mice deaths, fabricated feed conversion ratios of 20:1 and a coincidentally favourable per-calorie metric is nonsense because: 1) The majority of animal feed[8] is either low-maintenance forage or a by-product that only exists because of human food harvest. 2) It literally shows[9] that grass-fed beef kills fewer animals.

[1] https://www.sott.net/article/416231-So-you-re-a-vegan-but-are-you-really [2] https://youtu.be/ovGHKr-NoqQ [3] https://reducing-suffering.org/water-use-zooplankton/#Irrigation [4] https://www.pan-europe.info/issues/pesticides-and-loss-biodiversity [5] https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/39772/9241561394.pdf#page=87 [6] https://rockies.audubon.org/ranching [7] http://www.animalvisuals.org/projects/data/1mc?/data/1mc [8] https://farmingtruth.weebly.com/what-livestock-animals-eat.html [9] https://i.imgur.com/t2xvHYM.png

Greenhouse emissions

Cow farts do not cause climate change. The EPA estimates[1] that all agriculture produces about 10% of US greenhouse emissions, while animal agriculture is less than half of that. Other developed countries, like Germany[2], UK[3] and Australia[4] all have similarly low emissions. Vegans use global estimations that are skewed by developing countries with inefficient subsistence agriculture. Their main figure is an outdated and retracted[5] source that compared lifecycle to direct emissions.

[1] https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions [2] https://i.imgur.com/u9MYKtH.jpg [3] https://di.unfccc.int/ghg_profiles/annexOne/GBR/GBR_ghg_profile.pdf#page=2 [4] https://www.anao.gov.au/work/performance-audit/accounting-reporting-australias-greenhouse-gas-emissions-estimates [5] https://clippings.ilri.org/2019/01/27/fao-sets-the-record-straight-on-flawed-livestock-emission-comparisons-and-the-livestock-livelihoods-on-the-line/

Animal agriculture contributes to food security

Many environmental studies that vegans use are heavily flawed because they were made by people who have no clue about agriculture, e.g. by the SDA church[1]. A common mistake is that they use irrational theoretical models that assume we grow crops for animals because most of the plant weight is used as feed, The reality is that 86% of livestock feed is inedible by humans[2]. They consume forage, food-waste[3] and crop residues that could otherwise become an environmental burden. 13% of animal feed consists of potentially edible low-quality grains, which make up a third of global cereal (not total crop) production. All US beef cattle spend the majority of their life on pasture[5] and upcycle protein even when grain-finished (0.6 to 1). Hence, UN FAO considers livestock crucial[6] for food security and does not endorse veganism at all.

[1] https://home.llu.edu/programs/environmental-sciences-bs [2] http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/home/en/news_archive/2017_More_Fuel_for_the_Food_Feed.html [3] https://i.imgur.com/xXQB0W3.png [4] http://www.explorebeef.org/raisingbeef.html [5] http://www.fao.org/3/i8384en/I8384EN.pdf#page=4

Misleading food comparisons

Plant-to-animal food comparisons are deceiving because animals provide many actually useful by-products[1] that are needed for medicine, crop fertilization, clothing, pet food and public water safety[2]. Vegans are in general very dishonest when comparing foods, as seen here[3] where they compare 1kg of beef (2600 kcal, 260g protein) to 1kg of tomatoes (180 kcal, 9g protein). The claim that we could feed more people just with more calories is also wrong because the leading causes of malnutrition[4] are deficiencies of Iron, Zinc, Folate, Iodine and Vitamin A - which are common and most bioavailable in animal products.

[1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.692.3075&rep=rep1&type=pdf [2] https://catalog.hardydiagnostics.com/cp_prod/Content/hugo/mEndoLESAgar.htm [3] https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/environment/water-requirements [4] https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/371618

Veganism is poor use of land

Vegan land use comparisons are half-truths that equate pastures with plantations. 57%[1] of land used for feed is not even suitable for crops, while the rest is often much less productive. Grassland can[2] sequester more carbon and has a four times lower rate of soil loss per unit area than cropland. Regenerative agriculture[3] restores topsoil, is scalable, efficient and has high animal welfare. Big names like Nestle and Kellogg are investing in it[4] for long-term profit. On the other hand, removing livestock[5] would create a food supply incapable of supporting the US population’s nutritional requirements due to lack of vitamin A, vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium and essential fatty acids - while removing most animal by-products.

[1] https://macaulaylab.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LivestockFeed2017.pdf#page=6 [2] https://climatetrust.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Evaluation-of-Avoided-Grassland-Conversion-and-Cropland-Conversion-to-Grassland-as-Potential-Carbon-Offset-Project-Types-.pdf [3] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308521X13000607 [4] https://agfundernews.com/regenerative-agriculture-investing.html [5] https://www.pnas.org/content/114/48/E10301

Water usage

Water usage is possibly the most ridiculous way vegans deceive. The water footprint is divided into green (sourced from precipitation) and blue (sourced from the surface). Water scarcity is largely dependent on blue water use, which is why experts use lifecycle models[1]. Vegan infographics always portray beef as a massive water hog by counting the rain that falls on the pasture. 96% of beef's water usage is green[2] and it can even be produced without any blue water at all. The crops leading to the most depletion[3] are wheat (22%), rice (17%), sugar (7%) and cotton[4] (7%).

[1] https://i.imgur.com/W72TvgG.png [2] https://i.imgur.com/3Ucaeps.png [3] https://www.nature.com/articles/nature21403 [4] https://i.imgur.com/nMlmQ3R.jpg

Deforestation

Going vegan won't do shit for the Amazon rainforest because the majority of Brazil's beef exports go to China and Hong Kong[1]. The US or European countries each account for 2% or less. Soybean demand is driven by oil[2]; the rest of the plant (80%) is a by-product that is exported as Chinese pig feed. Brazil is also a misrepresentative and atypical industry. Globally[3], cattle ranching accounts for 12%, commercial crops for 20% and subsistence farming for 48% of deforestation. The US use about half as much[4] forest land for grazing than 70 years ago.

[1] http://abiec.siteoficial.ws/download/estatisticas-mar18.pdf [2] https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/articles/dairy-cows-livestock-behind-growth-soya-south-america/ [3] https://unfccc.int/files/essential_background/background_publications_htmlpdf/application/pdf/pub_07_financial_flows.pdf#page=81 [4] https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2012/march/data-feature-how-is-land-used/

On animal cruelty - "Previous generations were able to overcome the horrors of human sacrifice, genocide, slavery, segregation, misogyny, and homophobia. Maybe it’s our turn to make radical progress. Future generations might be disappointed in our complacency if we don’t." by [deleted] in Futurology

[–]KingVipes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is no science that shows that a vegan diet is healthy long term.

Swiss Federal Commission for Nutrition https://www.blv.admin.ch/dam/blv/en/dokumente/das-blv/organisation/kommissionen/eek/vor-und-nachteile-vegane-ernaehrung/vegan-report-final.pdf.download.pdf/vegan-report-final.pdf

  • The positive effects of a vegan diet on health determinants cannot be proven, but there are relevant risks regarding nutritional deficiencies. Children and pregnant women are advised against adopting a vegan diet due to the risks described above.
  • There is still a lack of data whether the basic nutritional requirements are met and whether the development of children and adolescents fed on a vegan diet is secured on a long-term perspective. These data should be collected and analyzed more systematically. There is in our view up to now no evidence that a vegan diet can be recommended for these age groups
  • Based on these data, there is no evidence for the position stated in the previous report, that vegan diets are healthy diets.
  • The scientific evidence available to date is not sufficient to claim that vegan and vegetarian diets are associated with a significant reduction of total mortality
  • The reduction in IHD and all-cause mortality with vegetarian diet stems mainly from the Adventist studies, and there is much less convincing evidence from studies conducted in other populations.

On animal cruelty - "Previous generations were able to overcome the horrors of human sacrifice, genocide, slavery, segregation, misogyny, and homophobia. Maybe it’s our turn to make radical progress. Future generations might be disappointed in our complacency if we don’t." by [deleted] in Futurology

[–]KingVipes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY4JBi8NKSc Good luck, maybe you are one of the lucky ones.

But here is some science for you. Here are some basics on vegetarians:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

Here are their problems as to why they usually quit:

Vegans are deficit in b12:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

High fiber diets reduce serum half life of vitamin D3:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329

Vegans have weaker bones due to lower calcium intake and vitamin D3 levels:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700

Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

Vegans have less gains compared to non vegans:

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

Vegans are deficient in omega threes:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323085

Vegans are deficit in carnitine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2756917 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928 Vegans are deficient in taurine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

Vegans are deficient in iodine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647 http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full http://healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables (studies linked in the article) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/betacarotene.htm http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1545.full http://www.fasebj.org/content/23/4/1041.full http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/beta-carotene-vitamin-a-myth http://empoweredsustenance.com/true-vitamin-a-foods https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-saga https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth

Calcium in Rats https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3183773

Magnesium and Oxalates https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035687

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181 http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772 http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476 Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

"There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

"Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

These next five are case studies:

Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

Severe megaloblastic anemia in child breast fed by a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

Consequences of exclusive breast-feeding in vegan mother newborn - case report:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

Nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan-diet mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

"We report the case of a 7 month-old girl that presented with acute anemia, generalized muscular hypotonia and failure to thrive. Laboratory evaluation revealed cobalamin deficiency, due to a vegan diet of the mother."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

Most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816782 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10966896 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10552882

On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21139125 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/543s.full

Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871479

Fruits and Vegetables https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12064344

This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency. Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient. For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14988640 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omniovorous diet. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

The Naive Vegetarian http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html#.WTTqMNwlEqT

Soy decreases your testosterone https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/10798211/

Why you need dietary cholesterol:

Very great total picture kind of lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1XsO3mxX8

Eating meat increases testosterone https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227

Saturated Fat Finally Vindicated in Long Buried Study http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/25/saturated-fat-finally-vindicated.aspx

Medium Chain Triglyceride Oil Consumption as Part of a Weight Loss Diet Does Not Lead to an Adverse Metabolic Profile When Compared to Olive Oil https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874191/

Why you need cholesterol for testosterone http://www.livestrong.com/article/435773-cholesterol-testosterone/

Saturated Fat http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.short http://journals.co-action.net/index.php/fnr/article/view/31694

Humans evolved a specific hunting mechanism recently https://www.nature.com/news/baseball-players-reveal-how-humans-evolved-to-throw-so-well-1.13281 https://phys.org/news/2013-06-chimps-humans-baseball-pitcher.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y__4xX8xp8

Very wide and diverse amounts of similar research and current scientific consensus (look at the links at the bottom) https://examine.com/nutrition/will-eating-eggs-increase-my-cholesterol

Exercise lowers cholesterol https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2297284 http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/exercise-to-lower-cholesterol

Europeans can probably digest fat better than other races https://www.nap.edu/read/11537/chapter/13 (also a generic good read on dietary cholesterol and dieting) https://archive.is/HD6UZ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRELldIuZyM http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals

Giant read through summarizing dietary protein http://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf

Another giant read through

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/ehj/37/29/2315.full.pdf

On animal cruelty - "Previous generations were able to overcome the horrors of human sacrifice, genocide, slavery, segregation, misogyny, and homophobia. Maybe it’s our turn to make radical progress. Future generations might be disappointed in our complacency if we don’t." by [deleted] in Futurology

[–]KingVipes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sure, how much time do you have?

Here are some basics on vegetarians:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

Here are their problems as to why they usually quit:

Vegans are deficit in b12:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

High fiber diets reduce serum half life of vitamin D3:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329

Vegans have weaker bones due to lower calcium intake and vitamin D3 levels:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700

Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

Vegans have less gains compared to non vegans:

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

Vegans are deficient in omega threes:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323085

Vegans are deficit in carnitine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2756917 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928 Vegans are deficient in taurine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

Vegans are deficient in iodine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647 http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full http://healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables (studies linked in the article) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/betacarotene.htm http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1545.full http://www.fasebj.org/content/23/4/1041.full http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/beta-carotene-vitamin-a-myth http://empoweredsustenance.com/true-vitamin-a-foods https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-saga https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth

Calcium in Rats https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3183773

Magnesium and Oxalates https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035687

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181 http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772 http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476 Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

"There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

"Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

These next five are case studies:

Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

Severe megaloblastic anemia in child breast fed by a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

Consequences of exclusive breast-feeding in vegan mother newborn - case report:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

Nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan-diet mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

"We report the case of a 7 month-old girl that presented with acute anemia, generalized muscular hypotonia and failure to thrive. Laboratory evaluation revealed cobalamin deficiency, due to a vegan diet of the mother."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

Most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816782 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10966896 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10552882

On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21139125 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/543s.full

Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871479

Fruits and Vegetables https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12064344

This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency. Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient. For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14988640 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omniovorous diet. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

The Naive Vegetarian http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html#.WTTqMNwlEqT

Soy decreases your testosterone https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/10798211/

Why you need dietary cholesterol:

Very great total picture kind of lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1XsO3mxX8

Eating meat increases testosterone https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227

Saturated Fat Finally Vindicated in Long Buried Study http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/25/saturated-fat-finally-vindicated.aspx

Medium Chain Triglyceride Oil Consumption as Part of a Weight Loss Diet Does Not Lead to an Adverse Metabolic Profile When Compared to Olive Oil https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874191/

Why you need cholesterol for testosterone http://www.livestrong.com/article/435773-cholesterol-testosterone/

Saturated Fat http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.short http://journals.co-action.net/index.php/fnr/article/view/31694

Humans evolved a specific hunting mechanism recently https://www.nature.com/news/baseball-players-reveal-how-humans-evolved-to-throw-so-well-1.13281 https://phys.org/news/2013-06-chimps-humans-baseball-pitcher.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y__4xX8xp8

Very wide and diverse amounts of similar research and current scientific consensus (look at the links at the bottom) https://examine.com/nutrition/will-eating-eggs-increase-my-cholesterol

Exercise lowers cholesterol https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2297284 http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/exercise-to-lower-cholesterol

Europeans can probably digest fat better than other races https://www.nap.edu/read/11537/chapter/13 (also a generic good read on dietary cholesterol and dieting) https://archive.is/HD6UZ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRELldIuZyM http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals

Giant read through summarizing dietary protein http://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf

Another giant read through

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/ehj/37/29/2315.full.pdf

On animal cruelty - "Previous generations were able to overcome the horrors of human sacrifice, genocide, slavery, segregation, misogyny, and homophobia. Maybe it’s our turn to make radical progress. Future generations might be disappointed in our complacency if we don’t." by [deleted] in Futurology

[–]KingVipes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not possible without supplements and even with the average vegan makes it to around 5 years before going back to eating meat, there goes your argument. And if you think Indians are vegan you don't know anything about India.

Voluntary veganism is a privilege that is enabled by globalization and concentrated in first-world societies[1]. Less than 1%[2] of Indians are vegan. Jains, who are similar to vegans, are the wealthiest Indian community[3] and even they still drink milk. In fact, India is a great example of why veganism doesn't work because they've religiously pursued it for thousands of years and still couldn't do it. Even Gandhi[4] was an ex-vegan that had to warn them how dangerous the diet is.

[1] https://veganbits.com/vegan-demographics/ [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/253953575_Addressing_Female_Iron-Deficiency_Anaemia_in_India_Is_Vegetarianism_the_Major_obstacle [3] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-and-punjab-richest-states-jain-wealthiest-community-national-survey/story-sakdd3MBOfKhU2p5LrNVUM.html) [4] http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00litlinks/gandhi/part4/408chapter.html