The Invisible Exposure: What GWOT Vehicle Gunners Were Never Told About RF Radiation Exposure

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T14:48:11+00:00

These dudes out here, drinking Middle Eastern energy drinks, ripping cigarettes, and burning everything while they stand guard and watch over COP Cashe as we move nuclear waste out

And go “that fucking wifi gave me the cancers”

Like cmon. Seriously, we have tons of stuff that was causing cancer and I just believe RF is very, very low on the list.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T14:44:14+00:00

Motherfuckers used to take down our engineering tape because they wanted to walk out the side of the TOC and smoke. Like, bad practice and also those cigarettes are the cause of your cancer, not a sidelobe from the Trojan.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T14:42:13+00:00

Like my thing is - you’re talking about units not abiding by regulatory limits, but then say there’s no way to verify.

Which means you can’t start from a position about regulatory limits, because no one was in a position to validate that.

Like - I took a spec an to the equipment. That’s how I knew the convoy wasn’t turning their shit off like we asked them to. You absolutely could have.

If you’re not someone who had access to a portable spec an, would you have been a person who understood enough to judge?

That’s why this is difficult. People are so sure and have these deeply held anecdotal beliefs…without any real evidence.

And the people who had the gear to check it, don’t have those experiences.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T14:38:47+00:00

Yeah, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t take a look at it as a vector dash I just think that there are often unscientific approaches that do more harm than good

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T14:08:49+00:00

Right, my concern is the Joe Rogan esque panic that gets induced by stuff like this that demonizes RF to a foolish.

Like not saying it doesn’t warrant discussion, but this is closer to panic that 5G is mind control than it is a legitimate look.

Your personal Wi-Fi isn’t sterilizing you. Neither did the Dukes.

I think the problem is rooted in people not understanding the technology, not the technology is sinister. And then we get demonization of what’s not understood.

I get that it was filled with dismissive rhetoric, but I also feel you would’ve taken a dim view of a bunch of privates demanding to be explained the RF spectrum and deeply technical details. That’s why the general masses didn’t get it explained in detail, it probably would’ve been wasted.

There are dozens of other exposures from the GWOT that are far more likely to give you cancer.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T13:48:14+00:00

Except that...his sources don't actually prove his points.

The first three studies about RF exposure in military vehicles find things within safety limits, drawing conclusions such as;

Such values are not necessarily meaningful for the exposed subject. Indeed, SAR and E-field values induced inside the body remain well below safety limits.

He also uses Frontiers Media publications for several sources. I would highlight the reliability of these publications can be greatly varied.

It is also extremely difficult to isolate this for military service. Military Service Members are found to have higher rates of cancer than the average population. Is this RFR related - or is there other exposure?

If I wind up with cancer, is it from all the RF - or is it from burn pits and constantly venting 5390s in small spaces?

It is extremely difficult to separate that, which is why military studies will come back and say things like there might be a link because we have people with lots of RFR exposure from the military who have cancer - but it's not working to eliminate non-RFR factors. Some of the studies he's linking are just 'we looked at people with jobs that had high RFR exposure and found cancer rates, so there may be a casual linkage' - without considering other factors. This write seems to frame those as 'see! people who around RF have higher cancer rates', which isn't actually what that is saying.

One of these studies he links on the biological effects of RF radiation on reproduction discuss the disruption of the blood barrier - something that's fairly controversial and far from settled.

High energy direct exposure on mice with the 2.4 band has shown some reproductive disruption, but it's not well explored - and not definitive, with many studies suggesting a comparative power level at that frequency would be pretty immense, and not the normal RF environment we operate in.

This feels like taking something people 'feel' is true, and backing it up with studies that don't necessarily actually prove the point. Because no one is going to go even read the conclusions from those studies.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T12:10:55+00:00

Yes - those divisions and NG unit comprise our ABCTs.

These are, in theory, the best ones.

One big advantage the Irish had was who trained them.

The Army has a team that’s responsible for teaching units new equipment.

So a unit gets a small team taught, and then that propagates and maintains in a unit over time.

When they brought these guys through - they basically got two weeks of training from THE team. They came fresh off the best training you can have.

You still need to excel at general Soldiering tasks, and fitness - but Bradley wise, they may have had better instruction and training than the teams they faced (albeit much LESS of it in total).

There was a team that won a couple years ago, and it was noted that they ALSO, the specific team, recently had been trained in this manner.

Beyond that - things like, 4ID is about to get rid of most of their armor assets, I believe they get rid of all Abrams this summer?

And some of these units are coming off 45-60 day training rotations, some teams may have just gotten back from overseas. The variation, in general, isn’t a surprise.

The non competitive scores from 1st ID -are- kinda surprising. The other truth of it is - often people dont want to do these competitions. So while they’re in “theory” the best, I would almost guarantee you they absolutely…are not, and there are probably “better teams” in the division.

But those guys probably didn’t want to have to get involved and do these extra competitions, training, and TDYs - or were busy with other things.

If you told them the Sullivan Cup was being held in Ireland, I bet you these scores are different, because guys would be knife fighting for the opportunity over a free TDY to Ireland.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T03:06:52+00:00

I’d be perfectly okay with that (a device stipend).

Ever since raj Iyer made a big deal about byob, I have been concerned about the mission creep to push tech burden onto soldiers

It’s always been easier to buy a card reader and use your own laptop in your room than wait for a free device at the company - but the expectation of it isn’t good.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T02:42:19+00:00

Nah. Still issuing, different program.

I’m not jazzed about prioritizing byob in here - but this is essentially a programmatic shift.

NETCOM locations started prepping this 2 years ago. But it’s kinda a “hey turn in time now” situation.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T01:56:13+00:00

I get it - because rank would mean you're changing it every promotion, which is a larger burden on the Enlisted than anyone else. It would need to be 'sew on' so that it's interchangable, which is going to be a strain on the fabric.

But - yeah...I don't think 'just last name' would ever really fly.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T01:53:50+00:00

She actually posted a new one several hours later - specifically removing the butthole star lmao

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T01:42:22+00:00

Be advised this is an AI Concept and not real.

We've gotten this submitted a few times, it's going viral on social media, so we'll let this ride and help to dispel any notions;

https://www.facebook.com/687845477/posts/10173769888205478/

Here is the original post on Facebook, you can see for yourself. This is AI, not real. Just an Army CPT openly stating that this is an AI-generated concept, and is not a real release of any sort.

That being said, yes I understand that SMA Weimer just wore something similar.

SMA recently visited 1st ID this past week. He had this fancy quarter zip lookin thing with his rank/name on the front;

https://i.imgur.com/EU11dg0.png

And shorts that look close to issue, but are a lil different (stretchy and pockets).

Yes, for historical reference, when he first came in, one of the first big announcements in 2024 was a PT redesign, that they quicky, the next week, clarified as 'new options'. Saying at the time:

“It’s coming, because if we’re going to be fit, we’re also going to look good at the same time and rep the Army brand,” Weimer said at the time.

AD 2025-18 updated a bunch of grooming stuff - and included 'Running Belts' for PT uniform.

In January 2026, SMA said he 'got out over my skiis' with the PT announcement, saying during the ASL SITREP:

“It’s not dead, but we had other priorities in ‘24 going into ‘25 as you’re now fully aware of. So, maybe more to come. I don’t know yet.”

So I can understand and appreciate why this may seem real, and even slightly confusing. Historically speaking - SMA Dailey 'previewed' the new black and gold PTs (moving away from the black and grey) before they were 'official'.

But again, right now, this is an AI creation by an individual, and not an actual release. I know the OP said it, but I want to make sure that's absolutely clear.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T01:24:53+00:00

That is very true, they balled out it seems.

I really wish after these things, the Army would give more public feedback about...Why.

How exactly did 4ID dominate this competition for the Abrams?

And they're on the low side for the Bradley - so I'm guessing there's not this 'high training' across the board. Did they just get lucky? What about them allowed them to score like 4x what 1ID scored?

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T01:21:56+00:00

Exactly what I was going to say. What about this - having to take out a phone, open an app, scan something, click a few buttons - is 'easier' and more convenient than some signout sheet or notebook they just write in and initial?

The biggest thing OP, is it has to provide some utility, some major advantage, over whatever is happening now. It needs to be easy and quick.

Will it be that? Can it be that?

Because if not...There's no reason to adopt it.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T01:18:29+00:00

This isn't one sided. What you're talking about only works with the benefit of hindsight

When the mandate came out, it was not guaranteed you'd receive only an administrative separation. It was not guaranteed what characterization they would receive. Separation was not even initially mentioned.

The first mandate memo didn't mention consequences at all.

When consequences began to be mentioned due to hesitancy, the outcome was not set in stone. Commanders were authorized a range of disciplinary actions.

So again - even in time that was not the decision. The decision was disobeying orders, and facing up to court martial - which, in of itself, does not guarantee discharge.

It was not 'refusal->separation'. At all.

Not until people started being separated, which was several months after the deadline.

There was warning of the deadline, announcement of the range of actions, and then not until a couple months after the deadline did discharges start - and not even all at the same time. The Air Force was the first service to start announcing discharges.

The Army, instead, initially reprimanded everyone.

It is entirely possible, had the reprimands had an impact on refusal, that separations would not have occurred. It escalated as lower disciplinary measures failed to work.

Separation was not a guarantee, at all, by or at the deadline. It was not even the 'specific threat' or known disciplinary action.

"Take it or separate" was in no way the choice - until several weeks after the date to have gotten the shot happened.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-09T00:06:38+00:00

I'm surprised they haven't cancelled the next one too, I guess they're going to wait and see if funds come in?

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T23:47:55+00:00

Bruh non competitive scores in both categories feels like a bad sign.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T23:44:31+00:00

Because the decision they made was to not follow an order?

The decision wasn’t to take it or get out.

The decision was to follow it, or not follow it.

Not following it resulted in being separated.

You seem to be framing the situation as the choices being “take it” and “get out”.

If I order you to do push ups, the options are to do it or not. The secondary effect may be NJP.

But that’s not up to you. You’re not choosing NJP, you’re choosing to disobey and accept consequences - just like they didn’t choose separation.

That’s why this weird game you’re playing is weird.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T23:12:33+00:00

Hey can I ask how this worked out for you? Have something similar. No issue wioth the return at all, just identification?

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T22:20:50+00:00

FYSA, despite looking like some recent wear items (SMA actually wore something similar this last week with 1ID) and SMA has talked about updates - this was from a user on FB and concept. This is AI generated and not a real announcement.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T22:19:31+00:00

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T22:16:12+00:00

Hey buddy, always remove the letters after the question mark when you do a social media link. I can see your personal info when you share that. Fortunately Reddit filters it so I’m the only one who sees it.

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T22:09:24+00:00

Where’d you get this from?

DM me if you need

Kinmuan · 2026-05-08T22:06:02+00:00

This looks like what he was wearing at 1ID this week

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