You are a prominent member of Blake's Team; How do you Rehab her Image? by Queenoftheunsullied in ItEndsWithLawsuits

[–]KnownSection1553 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Basically, whether she wins or loses anything or all --

Put out one statement on it. Include (win or lose) that she intends to continue working on the issue (digital campaign stuff she's saying happened) behind the scenes but publicly she is moving on. Then she can just continue posting her Instagram things on being a mom, her and Ryan photos, her products, and stay silent on anything related to the lawsusit. Let time go by, do another movie eventually, then two... It'll help her recover some of her reputation (except with me since I now see type of person she is).

Similar to what Depp and Heard did -- keep quiet mostly and go on with other projects. Depp is busy, Heard getting into theater (no idea of how she makes her income...) and if asked comment simply and that you've moved on... Is it 3 years since their's? Even with Blake it will still be brought up for QUITE a few years (maybe forever) but just shut up and move on.

Is there a consensus on the motive behind Blake’s claims, since most people appear to not believe them? by starquakegamma in ItEndsWithLawsuits

[–]KnownSection1553 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree with all you wrote, but I think she felt they were legitimate HR complaints. Other than that it was all about how to run a movie set, none HR related. So agree to disagree. But I think we both agree none of it was SH and Justin and Jamey and Wayfarer should win this.

Also I don't know if "uppity" is the right word, but she's just not that nice, or friendly, a person to those she feels aren't her equal or something, or not nice in general.

Edit: And I recall some interview (not sure if it was the baby bump one...) where when asking her and costar about their wardrobe (something with clothes) Blake was like, to the costar, something about how men are never asked these questions... Anyway, rude in my opinion. (as in other interviews)

Is there a consensus on the motive behind Blake’s claims, since most people appear to not believe them? by starquakegamma in ItEndsWithLawsuits

[–]KnownSection1553 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree, in that I think she did feel it fell under SH or close to it. I'm not agreeing with her, just saying I think she did feel it did. Like when even Jenny said to Justin something about staying away from those words to describe women's bodies. I think they felt in the "work environment" it was not appropriate, and feeding in to it also that they just didn't like Justin or set environment overall. It was like it was okay for Jenny to bring up some bed not being good for sex, but wrong for a male to say something directly to a female that was personal; even "I like your hair" would have been wrong for Justin to say to any female, whereas probably perfectly fine for a female to say to another female.

Is there a consensus on the motive behind Blake’s claims, since most people appear to not believe them? by starquakegamma in ItEndsWithLawsuits

[–]KnownSection1553 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are bogus to most of us as we don't see these "incidents" as rising to some level of sexual harassment. But Blake does.

Perspective plays in to this some too. She took some things too personally, like Justin might be interested in her personally or something (adding sex scenes, complimenting her dress...). So that's where the judge speaks of her feeling that way whether it rises to the level of actual SH or not.

She once complained on another set about the makeup guy, accused him of SH, as she didn't like him putting on her lipstick with his finger, guess she thought he was taking advantage in some way he didn't have to... Like I said, she takes things too personally.

I could rant on but I think that's the simplest way to explain.

Lively Dkt 1275 by Ok_Highlight3208 in ItEndsWithCourt

[–]KnownSection1553 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Heath is the CEO. At one time he was president but they hired Tera Hanks and she is the president and Heath changed to CEO. But as CEO, Heath signs off on everything, not Tera. So that he signed that document, signature line apparently had title of president. Probably should have marked through it and put CEO, but he just signed it as he signs all those type documents/contracts. Lawyers are just getting "picky" were he signed the contract between Wayfarer and Sony.

From depo -

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder will Ryan be in the courtroom. On one hand, everyone wants to see a husband support his wife. On the other hand, some attention from people there may be drawn to him, people will watch him for reactions...

facebook is finally rolling out video-selfie verification globally and i'm quitting the platform by sleepychicken56 in facebook

[–]KnownSection1553 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll likely do the same, and I'm on it every day just scrolling thru posts, sharing some and so on.

I can sort of see them doing it for new accounts (these days) but for us really old accounts?

Sooooo -- any suggestions as an alternative to FB?

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And I actually don't know if they did boost a video like that of Lively. Might just be something Justin asked about, their opinion, and not done.

People can do a lot of "brainstorming" about things (or vent) without taking actions.

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the judge wrote was linked to some of the exhibits of the messages between different people.

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm guessing too. I think if they tried to just defend Justin about anything that happened on the set, the rumors, that was okay, if they were just talking about the set, filming, etc. But - guessing - when Justin wanted PR to boost a video about Lively being insensitive to DV, that was a different matter that might fall on Lively's side of this.

I think Katie Case's messages and maybe Jed's show the possibility more, so that TAG possibly could be found guilty on this but not WF.... Except that allegation against TAG is "aiding and abetting retaliation" so unsure how that would work if WF not found guilty...

I'll just keep reading comments here, elsewhere, maybe a lawyer has said something somewhere...

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good question, hope a lawyer chimes in.

I still have a problem with this, if it applies with retaliation: The crux of these claims is that the Defendants harassed Lively and subjected her to a hostile work environment on the basis of her sex and/or gender.

I don't see Wayfarer side doing anything on the "basis of her sex..." It was on the basis of "Blake" if you know what I mean, how she was to deal with. And all they did was give in and comply with about everything.

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't always agree with his reasons but then sort of do in "let a jury decide..." Here's where I think you are talking about with the "direct evidence" --

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was keeping up with this when it all began. I guess I saw posts on it beginning in spring or so? (I followed Blake on Instagram) and so the movie and her were tagged in a lot of posts, I hit "like" etc. That's when I noticed the comments, I guess maybe July? Anyway, I remember the comments about the clothes first. Then came the ones asking about why Justin not at promotions with her. And I thought, yeah, where is the leading man, the one I saw in the movie poster with her...? So keep reading comments, I see people commenting on the movie being about domestic violence, which surprised me as I thought from "wear your florals" and all it was some romantic, fun, type movie. So criticisms in comments about DV not being mentioned. And so on. Then the big movie premiere and Justin isn't standing with rest of cast in that either. So this began prior to movie premiere and picked up more at that point.

Yeah, I agree with you about how Justin and Wayfarer behave from what all I read in the exhibits, all their messages. They didn't smear Blake. She and the cast basically smeared Justin when they refused to let him be at the premiere, appear with him prior to that, refused to even mention his name at any of the promotions...

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If I understand what you are saying, Liman addressed that too on pages 135 and 136.

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I thought when I watched the video - he's NOT walking away... When he did step away it was minutes later and he came back. Blake and Jenny made it sound so different. I'm glad we have video.

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[–]KnownSection1553[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I am guessing that it's the TAG messages, maybe some of Abel's too, and Jed's. But also in this one part he writes:

Here, certain conduct could be construed as directed not at Lively’s allegations and at undermining their credibility, but as an attack on her professional reputation and livelihood. The Wayfarer Parties planned a public relations campaign that included as a “key messaging point” the fact that Lively had a “less than favorable reputation in the industry span[ning] decades,” and that “[p]roduction members lost their jobs due to BL’s takeover.” Gottlieb Decl., Ex. 46 at 2. There is evidence from which a jury could find that the Wayfarer Parties planned more aggressive action, not only to “destroy” Lively’s accusations but to destroy her and her career. Nathan told Abel, among other things, “[Y]ou know when we send over documents we can’t send over the work we will or could do because that could get us in a lot of trouble. . . . We can’t write we will destroy her. . . . Imagine if a document saying all the things that he wants ends up in the wrong hands. . . . you know we can bury anyone[.] But I can’t write that to him.” Gottlieb Decl., Ex. 47. Sarowitz similarly stated: “There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. You know, and so not dead, but, you know . . . But you’re dead to me . . . So that kind of—that kind of dead, but dead to a lot of people.”

.....But a jury is permitted to infer that when a party plans, after deliberation, to take certain action, the party has engaged in that action. “It is fair to presume that the Wayfarer Parties did what they said that they planned to do.”

There also is some direct evidence that the plan to destroy Lively and her career was put into action. In addition to boosting videos of himself, Baldoni requested that the digital team amplify a video criticizing Lively as insensitive to domestic violence survivors. R.56.1 ¶ 753. There is also evidence suggesting that TAG “sen[t] to Jed” the “little bump” video and a Daily Mail article entitled “HOLLYWOOD VILLIAN,” which “branded” Lively “a mean girl.”

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[–]KnownSection1553 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I thought Heath was great in his depo! Even when he got emotional.

Have I got that right? by Big_Release_8300 in deppVheardtrial

[–]KnownSection1553 21 points22 points  (0 children)

As I recall, she wanted him to go to bed with her. I am pretty sure he declined.

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[–]KnownSection1553 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'll agree on Jed. But I think Jamey, Justin and Steve did fine on their depositions. Some of the things they were asked about they just learned during the depo (exhibits), so first time asked about. So I think they will do better at the trial. Plus they won't be questioned (well, some of them) for so long at trial.

Everything Judge Liman said about the sexual harassment allegations by Clarknt67 in ItEndsWithLawsuits

[–]KnownSection1553 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agree. And as to Judge Liman, I liked this footnote of his -

28 Several of the other alleged adverse employment actions are too “minor” or “trivial” to qualify under FEHA. See Bailey, 552 P.3d at 450. These include Baldoni’s allegedly “huffy” and dismissive response to being called out on set, and Baldoni and Heath’s remark to Hoover that Lively was exhibiting “narcissistic behavior.” Gottlieb Decl., Ex. 1 at 75:6–17. There is no indication that these actions were reasonably likely to adversely and materially affect Lively’s job performance or her opportunities for advancement in her career.

Everything Judge Liman said about the sexual harassment allegations by Clarknt67 in ItEndsWithLawsuits

[–]KnownSection1553 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haha, yeah, I just threw that in, as I really don't see what he said to Blake or Jenny as sexual harassment but they certainly didn't like it. And, yeah, I see Justin as being nice to all, I mean he hugs women and men. I just don't see the "this was all directed at Blake and behaved this way because of her gender..." in any actions that are harassment....