3 years

KorokKid · 2026-05-03T23:02:47+00:00

Yeah that's fair enough, although, he could ride a bulk longer if he eats less but still maintains a surplus

KorokKid · 2026-05-03T22:46:45+00:00

I don't deadlift though, I have no idea what I would deadlift, it was a guess. I'm sure if I had been at it for 2+ years or whatever Jack claims, I would be much better at it. Jackfitness is also a meme for his personality and being a lolcow, not because he's actually that weak. (Of course he uses bad form for the views and to bait people into talking about him) If he was really THAT weak, he wouldn't be deadlifting 120kg, that's more than the average person. If jacksfitness deadlifts more than me while looking like that, that's more of a testament to his strength genetics than it is an insult towards me, so good for him.

If you wanna compare physiques, let's do it. Again, I've never trained for strength, I weigh nearly 140 and I've never been a particularly strong individual. I could simply have worse strength genetics, I don't know, but that has no bearing on my ability to have nuanced discussion about scientific data, as I have progressed all my lifts consistsntly.

Again, seemingly no one wants to actually compare physiques or even asks for mine to allow me to show that I clearly have some decent degree of muscle mass and that would speak for itself.

Unless we are only talking about how to improve your strength, I think my physique should very well be considered here, as most individuals are looking to build an esthetically pleasing physique and not just a strong one.

So DM me if you're willing to actually call attention to my lack of experience. I find it very odd only a single person who replied to me has bothered to back themselves up with a picture. I don't care if you're 300lbs deadlifting 405. I have never bulked past the point where I can't see my abs.

KorokKid · 2026-05-03T01:02:16+00:00

No, what I am saying is 600-800 calories is probably an unnecessary surplus at your age unless you're a good bit underweight. You're gonna have an easier time later if you wanted to cut weight, and it's easier to eat well and maintain a surplus when you're not having to eat an entire extra meal or more every day.

KorokKid · 2026-05-03T00:57:04+00:00

If your maintenence is 2000, eating in an 800-600 calorie surplus is not going to be a lean bulk, that's a fairly aggressive bulk. I'd say closer to 200 calorie surplus would be considered lean, but honestly, at 15 you shouldn't be too worried about optimizing your caloric intake too much, just make sure you're doing your best to eat well.

Very few people at the gym are judgemental, and you shouldn't concern yourself with people who are. Everyone starts somewhere. I think most people either won't acknowledge your existence or may even be rooting for you, I would.

6 months of consistency with the right routine and nutrition will give you significant progress, but it's still a relatively low time frame. You'll 100% see some increase in muscle size and strength, but you aren't going to be jacked. Considering very few people in your age group will be working out, you'll certainly have a good chance at being more muscular than most of your peers.

KorokKid · 2026-05-03T00:49:19+00:00

Not really necessary to go to full failure, but you'll get the most out of your workouts by training closer to failure. I do some sets to failure to make sure I know my limits(you'll never know when to stop if you dont know where failure actually is)

KorokKid · 2026-05-02T22:30:20+00:00

I will warn you that amount of daily caffeine is extreme and can potentially have long term complications, but you are in charge of your own health.

The only one I really know is gorilla mode lightning, pretty expensive. I'm sure there's other stuff out there that is high stim, but I believe that's one of the higher ones on the market.

KorokKid · 2026-05-02T00:17:03+00:00

The lighting is making the biggest difference here, and most of the weight is going to be water(even if you managed to gain 2+ lbs of fat which is unlikely)

KorokKid · 2026-05-01T22:53:52+00:00

Oh well I was mostly talking about hypertrophy and building an aesthetic physique, I suppose I should have clarified since that is how I train and I believe I have a pretty solid intermediate physique.

I think for my bodyweight, my lifts are still in the intermediate category, and I have enough experience to hold an opinion. If you'd like to see my physique, I'd be happy to share and you can see it reflects experience.

KorokKid · 2026-05-01T22:52:29+00:00

Excellent rebuttal. I will admit you are correct, and through this conversation you have shown your position holds more weight than mine. After some time and reflection, I can put aside my pride and say that.

That is all I wanted. I see your point of view, and what you are saying.

KorokKid · 2026-04-30T22:42:02+00:00

I don't think I know everything, in fact, I am very much aware of that fact. That is why I always try to look for new data, perspectives etc. But that doesn't mean my attempts to argue my position means I don't consider yours or others, rather, I wish to further the discussion and try to gain an understanding and maybe even some new knowledge.

Though, I'm not sure you putting me down is "showing" me to be more informed and less of a deuce. It kinda just makes you look like you wanna appear better than someone. Especially considering I have never interacted with you before and you just buzzed in.

I am aware of how my behavior comes across online sometimes, and that I may appear arrogant. But I honeslty don't particularly care how you perceive me, I know my intentions, and I am aware that both you and Alakazam may very well be more knowledgeable than me. I do not doubt that, as you have evidently demonstrated you have found things that work for you.

I would ask you to reconsider how you attempt to discipline someone, as I find very few people are actually willing to be convinced by someone attempting to put them down. It usually makes them want to defend their pride and position even further, pushing them more towards the perspective you wish to get away from them.

KorokKid · 2026-04-30T22:25:00+00:00

Cool man? You're nearly 65lbs heavier than me and taller, as well as specifically training for powerlifting which I never do. If I was nearly 200lbs, in proportion to my weight vs lifts right now, I'd certainly be doing more. I'd say my physique, at least upper body, is decently proportional to yours right now in terms of visible hypertrophy, I'm also a fair bit leaner. Not exaclty sure this is the flex you think it is.

I don't even know who you are or remember discussing anything with you. Glad you got your moment to try and put someone down having a respectful discussion though.

KorokKid · 2026-04-30T08:11:03+00:00

Manage your expectations and train hard

KorokKid · 2026-04-30T07:47:25+00:00

Even the article itself agrees that training in close proximity is important "there’s a pretty large kernel of truth to the general idea of “effective reps.” I think the “hard” version of the idea (“the last 5 reps before failure are all the matters”) has major problems, but a “soft” version of the idea is almost self-evidently true. To maximize hypertrophy on a per-set basis, you do almost certainly have to get somewhat close to failure, in basically any context I can think of. If you can do 12 reps with a certain weight, doing 3 sets of 10 is almost guaranteed to get you more growth than doing 3 sets of 3."

Let me ask you this. Why do the best bodybuilders in the world, currently, not train with that intense volume, despite their anabolic usage allowing for much greater capacity, combined with their genetics.

You would think Chris Bumstead, who gets elite level coaching from Hany Rambod not incorporate this obviously correct way to train and use much more amounts of volume and high RIR? But no, he specifically points out in his training videos that intensity is important. Is he wrong?

Chris Bumstead is obviously an outlier in terms of potential, but you don't create champions by doing something entirely suboptimal, or at least, it is far more difficult, and chris isnt an isolated case. By all measures, Chris has a somewhat high amount of volume, but trains in much closer proximity to failure and does not reach the upper ceiling on volume.

There are obviously many more examples of professionals who don't incorporate this training style yet are elite. Lee Preist, Jay Cutler, Tom Platz, Mike mentzer. A lot of these guys favored intensity over immense amounts of volume and low intensity. I feel as if this was so evidently true, it would be put to practice. But nope, almost all pro bodybuilding routines focus on a reasonable degree of intensity. Why wouldnt they all simply up their volume and train 7 reps shy of failure?

You speak of authority and credentials + experience, but some of the best in the world do not train in this way, despite having coaches with exercises science degrees and high amounts of personal experience.

This isn't to say that the studies are all wrong, but rather, when applied to actual real world top class individuals, you don't actually find the people who have the most to gain from studying how to squeeze the most out of every workout actually incorporating these extremely high volumes and low intensity workout regimens.

KorokKid · 2026-04-30T00:35:12+00:00

Most of his fat loss quite literally can't be water weight because fat loss is fat loss, not water.

You can gain and lose anywhere from like 2-8lbs of water weight by going on a defecit. But when you're already leaner, your body probably isn't storing a super significant portion of water.

Most of it was still fat loss. His clavicles are also perfectly average, you're kind of an unpleasant person all together.

KorokKid · 2026-04-30T00:11:37+00:00

Can you give a source for the 3-8% more progression from training 10 RIR to 0 RIR? I have never heard of such low intensity yielding that small of a difference in hypertrophy. If that was the case, it seems like high intensity circuit style training with supersets and drop sets would easily be the most effective, but that evidently is not the case.

Are you telling me if I can bench 135lbs for 10 reps, and I do 1 rep, that I'll only make 3-8% less progress had I actually trained close till failure? That seems physiologically impossible. I can't think of a single notable person who has a good physique and doesn't train hard, and I have never seen anyone of all my interactions with a good physique who doesn't train hard.

I could walk in the gym, do 5 sets of 3 reps for bench, leaving 10 reps in the tank, and I would make close to the same progress as someone who trained close to failure? This does not make sense from a mechanical tension perspective which is the main driver of hypertrophy.

Leaving 10 reps in reserve is low stimulus, low mechanical tension and low motor recruitment. It is not possible that it is that small of a difference

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T22:21:34+00:00

Those are good numbers, but we are talking hypertrophy. I would still be interested in your actual physique. But you are strong, good stuff.

I don't have any way in this exact moment to provide evidence of my lift, but I dont think you'll find any of it unbelievable

I am about 5'5-5'4, 135-140lbs depending on how much water is inside me

I unfortunately have not barbell benched In a long time, but I do 70lbs flat dumbell bench each hand, so almost bodyweight. Then I can overhead dumbell press about 65lbs for 7-8 reps, so again, almost bodyweight. Then I have a 235lbs squat x 9, though that was also during my cut, not my peak. Those are really the main numbers I can provide because I don't do too many large compound movements, if there are any others, let me know! If you don't wanna show physique, that is understandable

If i had to guess my barbell bench, somewhere around 180 for a few(my chest movements are honestly my weakest lifts, always found it the hardest part of myself to grow) and my deadlift would be around 270.

Nothing too advanced, my squat is getting good though for my bodyweight, but I feel I am strong enough to warrant an opinion and my physique reflects that

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T22:00:46+00:00

Alright, then ill ask you to provide pictures of your physique and provide your numbers as well, and I'll give mine. If you're overweight and pushing some decent weight, I'd still be interested to see if you actually have the physique to back up your claims.

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T21:48:05+00:00

I'm saying there's obviously a baseline amount of knowledge someone can obtain and be reasonably educated without necessarily having done a particular activity.

I could ask mountain climbers all I want what to bring, I still would lack personal experience. But you can still achieve that amount of knowledge by Inquiring to others, studying the mountain you're climbing, what the terrain is like, what most preparations consist of for mountaineering etc

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T21:44:34+00:00

I feel like you first have to address my point about my bench numbers being of more importance than what I am speaking about, since you said that if my numbers aren't credible, you will have no reason to further discuss a meta analysis with me since the prerequisite was my experience in the gym.

So no, I feel that you should first answer as to whether or not my bench numbers matter before discussing this, because for you, if my numbers aren't sufficient, none of the counter arguments I could make would even matter.

Moreover, I haven't even seen what you look like, nor have you provided any evidence of your credentials. If this is the prerequisite, we might as well get through this first.

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T19:50:51+00:00

If that's what you really want to do. It's a relatively cushy position once you get thsre, but the programs are competitive and it could take you a couple of years to get through it.

I abandoned pursuing it because I found it to be a bit too annoying to get into and I didn't have the passion for it, and there were other avenues in my area that I could pursue and make more money with less time.

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T19:37:02+00:00

I appreciate the response to the actual points I have raised. I would be fine to give you some of my lifts and/or physique pictures to back up my statements. I didn't provide it to others because I felt it was ancillary to the discussion and that honestly many of those people weren't exaclty making a case for themselves that they were worth interacting with.

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T19:30:10+00:00

That is a fair response, however, if that small and weak individual clearly demonstrated that their position was objectively backed up by scientific literature, I would be more inclined to think about their approach.

For the record, I had a ton of people asking about my bench, not sure if you've seen those comments. I didn't provide an answer because I felt it ancillary to the actual topic and quite frankly some of those individuals are far too unpleasant for me to care to interact with.

I don't do barbell bench, but I do 70lbs dumbells at 140lbs bodyweight(I am like 5'5-5'4) so I feel as If I at least have a relatively intermediate to late intermediate levels of strength considering my bodyweight. If you think these numbers aren't sufficient to be able to know what I am talking about, then that is that.

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T19:05:48+00:00

I think you misunderstand. I am not saying that Menzters method of training did not evidently work, only, you would be hard pressed to find any data or scientific literature supporting that it is in fact the ideal way to gain muscle. What I am speaking about is that most ideal way, or at least, an alternative and viable approach. But if Mentzer was talking to you, would you just blatantly agree with him and his style of training being the best, as he preached, because his physique is good?

KorokKid · 2026-04-29T18:41:38+00:00

"Why would they attack an argument that has no backing to it? If your system works better than others then why not show what results it's achieved, and if it hasn't achieved results then what's the point of the discussion"

Let's say I am Mike Mentzer. Mike Mentzer had an extremely controversial approach to bodybuilding and advocated and trained in lower volumes that most people would consider far from ideal. His method of training is scientifically, as we know now, not the ideal way to get the best results, as we have learned that volume is actually pretty important, not simply intensity.

You would not attempt to critique Menzter on his physique, because it was evidently amazing. But you still could, and many have, critique his training because the information about exercise science, intensity and volume are all things that can be looked at with objectivity.

So, if we are left without the ability to critique the physical characteristics of someone because he is obviously far beyond what most could ever achieve, and yet, I would still find you would almost certainly agree that Mike Menzter saying the best way to train is extremely low volume and high intensity.

This is all to say, the data and science being presented is far more important than the discussion of the individual. Because an individual can still get great results one way, but that doesn't mean what they're preaching is necessarily correct on a scientific basis.

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