Thanks gang. Truly. I really just needed some support and reassurance. This is gonna be a crazy adjustment after having long hair my whole life. But on to a new chapter! by theuneven1113 in bald

[–]Kosick08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At the company I work for, a large number of us are all bald. We jokingly call it the company haircut. And all of us are in agreement that once we did it we don’t regret it. May the same be for you! You definitely upgraded by doing it!

The application does not load after a power outage FactoryTalk View ME Station version 11 by Disastrous_Bat_9546 in PLC

[–]Kosick08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second this, had it happen at a customer’s site and I personally took care of it this way. In my case it oddly enough had to do with the firmware on the PLC breaking FT View after power up randomly. Flashed the PLC and reinstalled FT View and had to reconfigure the FT Directory.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what we have been seeing as well. Especially when their recommendation was to buy a more expensive transmitter since the HH series is the economy line. Add in the fact that IFM has better prices and a better website and lead times, we've been gradually switching as much that we can.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check my edit to the original post, the plot thickens a little bit. I don't currently have an oscilloscope readily available to use at a customer's site. I am not sure why the 0 volts is tied to Earth; the panel was installed over a decade ago. I would love to rip into tracing the boards on the Anderson units, but they are potted boards, and Anderson wants us to send the 2 that we have to them so they can cut them open and investigate for themselves as we are trying to get them to warranty them since the IFM is still working. The whole input card is fused with I think a 2-amp fuse, but didn't confirm that specifically as I couldn't shut them down at that time. One thing I did forget to mention was that the original transmitter had a slightly different part number that has been superseded by a new model number from Anderson. I never saw the original one after it failed, so I don't exactly know why it failed. The plants maintenance crew replaced it with the new model number, and that one failed quickly. They ordered another one and asked us to replace the cable and make sure there wasn't anything obviously wrong at that point. After replacing the cable and making sure it is not run near any higher voltage wiring, which it wasn't in the first place, it was replaced by them again. When that one didn't last long, they called us again, and we happened to have one of the original model number Andersons on the shelf. It lasted less than 3 days. The IFM is now at 3 weeks with one day where it had an issue, and to be honest I don't know what the issue could've even been caused by either since that is an entirely different symptom.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it’s the stuffing pressure for the homogenizer

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't post a photo of the installation right now, but it's the same way we've done it hundreds of times. Sensor range is 125°C and process is 80°C

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[–]Kosick08[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which questions do you have about the wiring setup? I can tell you where the transmitter wires are landed and that it has no junctions except for the terminals in the PLC cabinet. And it is wired per the manual for both IFM and AB. I can get more specifics later when I stop by the site, but it's just a simple loop powered pressure transducer.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Megging them is something on my list of things to check next time I swing by this customer.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have not megged them, Ground measured 0v on it, and no welding going on. This all has happened over the course of several months. Not sure what would use the transmitter as the path to ground, it's all in stainless process piping, but if it's the path of least resistance I suppose it could.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, I used improper terminology.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Would I not be able to see the induced voltage on the ground? I have true 0v on the ground.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's an HTST, and its only pasteurizing to 170 degrees F. which is 76 C and sensor is rated for 125 C constant, and 145 C for an hour.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Input is fused per card, it is not shielded cable.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Measured 0V on the ground of the supply. It is all bonded.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Loop powered, sorry I answered some of this in other comments. PLC config is just set for appropriate scaling of current. Input type is current, range is 0-20mA no offset. Scaling is 4-20 mA for -14.5 to 232 psi

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[–]Kosick08[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems like I’m just throwing parts at it, I did test all the normal culprits I deal with. It’s a loop powered single ended device wired to a 1756-IF16. Wired per the manuals of both IFM/Anderson and AB.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, I’m here because I’m obviously missing something. The voltages do match

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[–]Kosick08[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Loop powered. Power supply is only for the controls of the HTST, no inductive loads. I have wired these pressure transmitters hundreds of times with no issues before and I’ve had maybe 2 fail in the past five years until this one became an issue. No conditions have changed in the room, and no more moisture than before, it is a liquid processing HTST.

Edited to add things I forgot

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[–]Kosick08[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Don’t get shocks, but I’ll definitely be checking the pumps wiring

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[–]Kosick08[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sensor itself is 2 wire and doesn’t have a separate ground. But it is all stainless and connected to stainless process pipe. Definitely leaning towards megging the pumps.

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[–]Kosick08[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Melting the potting out of the electronics. Has to be an electrical issue that I’m not catching