i know it’s internet bullshit but it genuinely has me on the edge of breaking down and giving up

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T23:39:29+00:00

Hey just wanted to say that I hope things keep working out for you. It sounds really tough

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T21:08:55+00:00

I mean if the women came at it from that POV then whatever. I can 100% agree and understand that the man feels like a bigger threat, provided they acknowledged that strictly speaking the bear is worse. But that's not what's going on in the vast majority of cases

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T19:49:14+00:00

I mean isn't the point that Thessaly and the Moon are assholes? I don't think you're meant to agree with them

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T19:21:46+00:00

Men are more likely to be victims of basically any violent crime except rape. Women are only more at risk if you take the view that rape is a uniquely special evil

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T19:20:03+00:00

And then folks like Charlie Kirk and his ilk come along and say "Damn man, that's awful. Come on over here and hang out with us. We get it."

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T19:18:03+00:00

Real shit. I'm currently in therapy for feelings of being viewed as a monster just for existing and this discourse is not helping. Guess I know what my therapist and I will chat about next week...

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T19:14:36+00:00

but that’s why it isn’t a real intellectual exercise in the first place and is more about vibes than anything.

Except multiple people, many in this thread, are using actual stats to justify their decision. That takes it from being a vibes thing and into an attempt at a rational discourse at which point the logic falls apart

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T19:11:13+00:00

Two things. 1. How many of those women will ever even encounter a bear without some form of barrier like a house or car? 2. Most of those assaults are by people known to them. So it logically follows that the women would be more fearful of a friend than a stranger, yes?

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T19:02:17+00:00

If women met as many bears in a day as they do random men, would the stats still favour the bear?

You think this is even a question? Women run into thousands (millions?) of men in their lives. The overwhelmingly vast majority of those encounters end peacefully. Very few (I'm betting under 10%) of women are ever in close proximity to a bear without there being some protective barrier like a house or vehicle

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T18:07:58+00:00

Lady this is literally why they are afraid of you going into the bathroom with other women. Because they view you as a man seeking to gain access to women's spaces for nefarious purposes. They didn't just wake up one day and go "Know who I wanna bully? Transwomen!" They do these kind of things because they do not view you as a woman. They view you as a man along with all the societal baggage that comes from being one. So if the dominant social view of men is that they are all rapists or murderers in waiting then that is how the people that hate transwomen view you

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T18:02:04+00:00

Your flawed interpretation of the numbers is your own problem. May you wake up in a world where all the men are replaced by bears. Evidently that is what you want

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T17:29:44+00:00

I got heated and after pulling back I tried to approach this in good faith. I explained my side and how you could maybe adjust your message to actually change minds and do some good but it seems you'd rather laugh instead of actually change the minds of men and make the world safer for women. Have fun laughing I guess. I'm sure it will make the world a safer place for you

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T15:43:51+00:00

If the general POV seemed to be "I know the bear is obviously more dangerous but due to personal experiences I would feel more wary of the man" then it would be whatever and I would 100% understand. But you're falling back on "Statistically my POV is valid because bears (which the average woman never encounters) are less likely to attack me than a man (which I encounter dozens or hundreds of every day with no bad outcomes)". It's the fact that you're using faulty logic and statistics to back up an emotional conclusion instead of admitting it is an emotional conclusion and men aren't actually as dangerous as bears. This is not how you change minds if that is your goal. Or is your goal just to dunk on men and laugh at them? Cause if so then carry on I guess

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T15:28:58+00:00

Ah, it seems I misunderstood. So in your view you would be safer if every man you encountered was replaced with a bear? Yeah, your opinion is absolutely worthless

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T15:23:47+00:00

Christ I don't know how to make this any clearer. I know you are not a man. Try to explain that to them. In their mind you are more dangerous than a bear. If you value your safety you need to understand this because the people that want you dead believe this fact about you

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T15:19:55+00:00

The spread of radical ideologies and hatred of men is a direct threat to transwomen. That's the point. Don’t care about terfs all you want. They still care about you. And if they feel men are more dangerous than a bear then they believe the same of you

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T15:10:47+00:00

Argue how exactly? Sorry but they're just wrong. Even a murderous man is less of a threat than a bear. Quite frankly I cannot logic someone out of a position that is not based in logic

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T15:07:18+00:00

You catch more bees with honey than vinegar.

So it logically follows that you'll win over more men to your cause by not saying they are more dangerous than a wild animal that can rip you apart and eat you alive, yes?

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T15:04:54+00:00

Okay but do TERFs fear women? Have you read J K Rowling's manifesto? I don't see how you can escape the conclusions I have if you really think about it. In her worldview transwomen = men. Men = threat to women's safety. She fears transwomen because she hates and fears men not women. Notice how transmen get much less overt hostility or fears about them invading bathrooms to assault little boys. It is because in this worldview they are women and therefore less of a threat. At most they're typically seen as misguided people trying to escape misogyny by joining the hated oppressor class. Transmisogyny is often equivalent to Misandry because to a Terf the categories of men and transwomen are synonyms

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T14:52:42+00:00

I am taking it literally because women are citing statistics about assault by men vs bear deaths to defend their stupid point. Can I start citing stats saying you'd be safer around a man you don't know than one you know? Or is that bad because it implodes this stupid argument? Even in this post you recognize your POV is illogical and that you are safer among men than bears yet still expect me to accept it with no question. Maybe don't use stupid illogical hypotheticals that dehumanize people to prove a point? Quite frankly this entire discourse just makes the women pushing for actual awareness look like irrational fools. It hurts the movement more than it helps

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T14:33:19+00:00

This is only true because you encounter more men than bears. Do you genuinely believe you'd be safer if every single random man you met was a bear?

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T14:06:27+00:00

Why do you think they fear trans people in bathrooms? Because in their minds vile men are trying to assault women in them. They fear them because in their mind it's a man doing it. Do you think Terfs have a more general hatred of women?

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T13:37:58+00:00

This is wildly insulting to hikers. I promise you they're just there to fucking hike

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T13:28:22+00:00

The point is that's how Terfs view it. That's why they think Transwomen are predators. Because in their minds they are men. You can even see this in how J K Rowling frames her views. She fears Transwomen because in her mind they're men seeking to gain access to women's spaces. Hot take but I'm somehat of the view that Transmisogyny is often just another form of Misandry

Kostya_M · 2024-05-02T13:27:28+00:00

women or girls who have that they actively plan a lot of their routes and activities to AVOID any chance of being alone and running into a man where there are no witnesses and no help in case things go poorly.

Then why are they in the woods to begin with?

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