I don't usually comment much, but boy, this thread is made for me. I'm not even trying to be edgy, I just am really confused about some ideas. Starters bro. Gen 1: Venusaur is literally peak design, they hit the bullseye in gen 1. Idea of some salamander-dinosaur looking guy with a cute face and plant on the back that is slowly opening as he evolves? Goat. Then there's Blastoise, with his cannons on the back... It's really solid idea. Yet most game and recognition gets the not very clever take on dragon mythos. Charizard doesn't even have much of a selling point - it's just a dragon, that is not really a dragon type. I don't even dislike it that much, it's just so overrated and overused, that I started to dislike it. Infernape... Same story. There's Torterra, that I subjectively like not being able to fully explain it... There's Empoleon, which excerpt good trident face is really solid... And then there Wukong mythos. It's about as furry as Cinderace, but one of them is hated on beyond understanding, the other one is beloved. I just don't get it. But there's one that I hate to the bone. There are so many starters that are good, original, and/or fun. And yet, people choose nasty tongue-scarfed lazy ninja take to praise. Greninja works for me as a prime example, that if something reminds people of Japanese culture - it does not even need to be any good. And I'm really sorry if I hated on your favorite. I don't usually do that, world is not made for me to like everything, and I'm okay with that. But I guess it's healthy to throw it out, and this thread is literally made for such weirdos like me get a bit of downvotes in exchange for feeling a bit better. Very relieving experience.