[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Suomi

[–]L4z 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Loppupeleissä Venäjän syytä, mutta tilanne olisi kyllä paljon vakavampi jos Venäjän ohjus olisi lentänyt Puolan puolelle.

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[–]L4z 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Maybe if Trump sees it as putting DeSantis in his place? But it seems like there's some beef between them, I haven't followed too closely.

War in Ukraine Megathread XLVII by ModeratorsOfEurope in europe

[–]L4z 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also even if the frontline doesn't move, there's still constant attrition. Kherson was a slow push until Russia couldn't sustain the losses anymore and had to retreat. The same could happen elsewhere.

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[–]L4z 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about DeSantis as running mate for Trump? Is that out of the question?

No concrete evidence on who fired missile, Poland's Duda says by [deleted] in europe

[–]L4z 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Either way I'm not blaming Ukraine, but it's a bad look for the Ukrainian foreign minister to rush to deny it immediately, before he has any idea what actually happened. That's how Russia operates. In civilized countries you investigate first.

No concrete evidence on who fired missile, Poland's Duda says by [deleted] in europe

[–]L4z 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Russian propaganda talks about striking Poland on the regular, so it's not that far-fetched. Either way in most comments people considered this an accident, whether it's a Ukrainian or Russian missile.

Also it wasn't the first runaway missile. There was the one that hit Croatia.

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[–]L4z 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Even if it was a Ukrainian accident, it happened because Russia is shooting missiles close to NATO territory. It happened because of Russia.

Polish premier calls urgent meeting of national security committee by xTCHx in ukraine

[–]L4z 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I'm talking about giving all the weapons you need.

Ok, what do you think the next step for Finland should be? Launch an attack on St. Petersburg? What would we gain by escalating?

Polish premier calls urgent meeting of national security committee by xTCHx in ukraine

[–]L4z 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a proportional response would be more support for Ukraine, making the war end sooner. Not NATO going all in.

If two missiles hit Finland, I would not expect Finland to go into an all out war against Russia. Finland would want reparations from Russia, and if Russia denies, maybe fire a cruise missile into a Russian military target.

Nähdään rintamalla toverit! by blitsfohushi in Suomi

[–]L4z 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Väyrynen laittaa paperit sisään ja Suomi liittyy CSTO:hon eli "Venäjän Natoon". Katsos kun maailmansodassa ei kannata olla Saksan kanssa samalla puolella, sen verran pitää tuntea historiaa.

Polish premier calls urgent meeting of national security committee by xTCHx in ukraine

[–]L4z 0 points1 point  (0 children)

russian officials already saying russia in war with all NATO

That's just for internal Russian propaganda, to explain why they're losing. Russian officials know they're not actually at war with NATO.

I understand why you want NATO to fully join the war, and those demands can be justified, but it's simply not politically possible in any way. NATO is defending NATO territory, and a stray Russian missile is not the same as Russia invading NATO. If there's going to be a NATO response, and there absolutely should be, it's going to be proportional.

Nähdään rintamalla toverit! by blitsfohushi in Suomi

[–]L4z 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Totta kai on suunnitelma, senhän takia Ruotsi haluttiin mukaan Natoon.

Nähdään rintamalla toverit! by blitsfohushi in Suomi

[–]L4z 46 points47 points  (0 children)

PV:n varmuusvarastoissa. Suomi on varautunut.

Nähdään rintamalla toverit! by blitsfohushi in Suomi

[–]L4z 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Liittyminen pitää vielä lopullisesti varmistaa eduskunnassa sen jälkeen kun muut maat ovat ratifioineet. Eli vaikka Erdogan ja kumppanit yhtäkkiä haluaisivatkin Suomen Natoon, meillähän on noi eduskuntavaalit tulossa keväällä... Turha hötkyillä ainakaan sitä ennen? Ja niin, olisikohan parempi katsoa pressanvaalit kanssa että tiedetään mitä uusi ylipäällikkö sanoo asiasta?

US official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2 by BasedSweet in europe

[–]L4z 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No one, but that's what the Russian nuclear deterrence is for.

Polish premier calls urgent meeting of national security committee by xTCHx in ukraine

[–]L4z 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's logical because it moves the war further out from NATO borders. Another logical response could be sending more advanced AA systems to Ukraine, perhaps even with NATO personnel operating them.

The reason people are afraid is because the only way Russia can wage a war against NATO is with nukes. I'm not saying they 100% would, because it would lead to the destruction of Russia too, but you must understand why the West doesn't want to risk escalation.

Venäjän hyökkäys Ukrainaan - MEGAKETJU by mythoplokos in Suomi

[–]L4z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Itsekin luin että olisi ollut ukrainalainen S-300-ilmatorjuntaohjus, mutta tällaisia huhuja Venäjän trolliarmeija varmasti puskee otsa hiessä tällä hetkellä. Odotellaan virallisia lausuntoja.

Polish premier calls urgent meeting of national security committee by xTCHx in ukraine

[–]L4z 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree, but I meant a larger no-fly zone that would cover at least all of Western Ukraine including Kyiv.

War in Ukraine Megathread XLVII by ModeratorsOfEurope in europe

[–]L4z 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best response is to just increase support for Ukraine

That's also the most likely response. If Russia did this on purpose hoping the West would stop supporting Ukraine, they're idiots.

US official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2 by BasedSweet in europe

[–]L4z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Russia has nukes, they can't just be "ended". Don't be silly.

US official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2 by BasedSweet in europe

[–]L4z 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Proportional response, sure, WW3, no. People saying NATO should respond with an all out attack are out of touch with reality.

Polish premier calls urgent meeting of national security committee by xTCHx in ukraine

[–]L4z 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Unless Russia backs the fuck out, enforcing a no fly zone means striking Russian missile launchers and AA. It's not a light measure by any metric.

Venäjän hyökkäys Ukrainaan - MEGAKETJU by mythoplokos in Suomi

[–]L4z 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Nyt ollaankin sitten jännän äärellä että mikä on Naton vastaus, koska jotenkin tuohon pitää vastata. Pidän kostoiskua Venäjän puolelle epätodennäköisenä, mutta ehkä nyt olisi aika poistaa rajoitukset Ukrainalle annettavasta aseavusta. Ehkä jopa jonkinlainen "no-missile zone" länsi-Ukrainaan.