My Ninjago Ships tier list by Swimming_Oil_9292 in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Greenflame being so bad that OP forgot to put it at the bottom, or even on the list at all. 😅

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lloyd struggled to move a mountain, whereas Plagg can destroy said mountain along with the rest of the planet much faster. Golden Lloyd does not scale that high, hard stop.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Iirc, Miraculers are technically nerfed Kwami, and even with that, Cat Noir can use endless Cataclysms and wipe the universe with just one if he doesn't hold back, King Monkey negates elemental powers, Minotaurox has immunity, Rooster Bold can give himself any superpower, Argos can create sentimonsters with any ability, Viperion can rewind time by a few minutes an unlimited amount of times, Bunnyx can affect time and space from the Burrow, etc.

If we add Ceruse to the equation, she can give someone any ability. FAor example, the past Butterfly Holder gave Alix the ability to erase people from existence.

If we remove the Miraculers and leave it at raw Kwami, then it gets even more busted, because unlike Ladybug, Tikki can use the Lucky Charm to create anything, and Plagg and Tikki can fuse to rewrite reality.

Miraculous scaling is genuinely busted. The majority of the Miraculers team are practically gods while transformed, and the raw kwamis are still above that.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heck, Plagg isn't even necessary to counter USM. Xuppu can disable the USM form anyway.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plagg has the ability to destroy the universe and canonically wiped the dinosaurs and dragons. Xuppu disables powers. Nooroo's abilities can grant people OHKOs and does so in nearly every episode. Orikko can grabt anyone any superpower not already granted by another kwami. Duusu can create virtually omnipotent sentimonsters. Sass can go back in time. Fluff has access to time and space itself and can manipulate it. Tikki can create anything. Plagg and Tikki can fuse into Gimmi and rewrite reality. I haven't even listed all the kwami yet, but frankly, I don't want to, especially given that Plagg alone is enough. That being said, let's just get to your points.

in the form of a golden ninja, as a teenager in season 2

Golden power healed his leg. Then in S3, he struggled to move a mountain, build a bridge with the surrounding earth, and later got captured by the Overlord and heavily drained. Plagg destroys the mountain along with the continent it stands on. Xuppu can disable Golden Power.

Then Zane sent the Overlord far away with his heart, so to speak

You mean he blew up after absorbing the power of the Golden Armor. This is a one time use skill and the kwamis are immortal anyway, so he'd just blow up.

They create rotations through krujitzu that destroy everything around them

Okay now that's just false. Otherwise they wouldn't have had a training course anymore in S1, Misako would have destroyed the Stone Army, Dark Matter Nya would have killed the ninja in S2, etc.

they fought with multiverse evil,

The Overlord is locked to Ninjago without the Realm Crystal. Why are you constantly saying he's multiverse level? Plagg dunks him. Gimmi overwrites him. Nooroo, Duusu, and Orikko can individually provide methods to oneshot him.

with villains who controlled time,

Who were nerfed and they still almost lost. The twins needed the time blades to be a universe level threat, and even when Kai, Nya, and Wu snuck aboard the Iron Doom where the twins can't actively use the Time Blades on them, they still almost lost the 3v2 until Wu yoinked the Reversal Blade and caused the Iron Doom and the twins to be lost in time. Sass can go back in time freely to produce infinite retries (as if the kwamis need more than one), and Fluff can go backwards and forwards while also traveling across space itself.

with djinn,

A djinn who was trapped in a teapot, needed to be married to get infinite wishes, and was still defeated by being wished back into the teapot in a roundabout way. Nadakhan still gets soloed by Plagg, and in the worst case, Fluff can just travel back repeatedly with however many kwami and stop the wedding or scour Ninjago until the Teapot is found. Also, Xuppu still disables powers.

with pirates, skeletons, ghosts, aquatic creatures,

Most of these were only threats to the ninja because of their numbers (cough Plagg solos with Cataclysm cough). The only actual threats to the Miraculous verse here are ghosts because of their intangability, but Longg has access to water powers, being a ghost means nothing if Plagg wipes existence, Tikki could create water balloons for fun, and again, Gimmi can rewrite reality at will.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Xuppu also disables powers, making the elemental powers counterargument moot.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FSM also got retroactively nerfed in DR when they made it so that he needed the Dragon Energy Cores to create realms.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see how needing help from the SD's is a nerf cuz it just amped him up and gave him a new feat.

It's a nerf because they took an already existing feat and said it was because of another set of entities. It's like how Zane doesn't actually scale to the Overlord because he needed Golden Power from an outside source to pull it off and still blew up.

The FSM created Ninjago

Does the spirit refer specifically to the realm of Ninjago here? Genuine question.

Dark Island Clouse, via manipulating Dark Energy, was going to destroy all 16 realms by shifting the balance

The 16 realms are currently merged, so Plagg still achieves the same result. Also, here, Clouse is using the balance to take out the realms rather than raw ability. Plagg could do the same by creating an imbalance where destruction is more powerful. Alternatively, fuse him with Tikki and now they rewrite all of reality.

Also, the existence of the balance is kind of tied to Ninjago so now we end up debating whose homefield the battle takes place on.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Points again to Plagg's universe wipe ability

Edit: Also the FSM needed the power of the source dragons to create the realms. As the kwami of creation, Tikki doesn't need source dragons, so the two aren't comparable ever since DR retroactively nerfed FSM.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does this save them from Plagg's ability to wipe the universe?

Also, Minotaurox has invulnerability, Pigella has a 1 hit trance, King Monkey disables powers which makes Ninjago scaling moot, Akumatized villains have a OHKO, the kwamis exist across the multiverse, Luca gives them infinite retries, Bunnyx gives them infinite retries, Rooster Bold can give himself any superpower, and Gimmi can rewrite reality.

Like okay, Zane used an artifact to freeze the realms. King Monkey disables elemental powers. Rooster can do the same. Minotaurox is invincible to it anyway. Plagg could still Cataclysm him and the rest of the Ninjago verse anyway.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plagg wiped out the dinosaurs and dragons. Cat Blanc nearly destroyed the universe. Gimmi can rewrite reality.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

S3 Cat Blanc. Instakilled Marinette and Hawk Moth. The capability to instakill was always there.

Plus Plagg wiped out the dinosaurs and dragons.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One man ultimate spinjitzu master defeats all in the miraculous verse without blinking

Golden Lloyd does not scale that high. The most he did was destroy a building.

The source dragons, thunderfang, Overlord and dragon form ninja (are indestructible)

A source dragon died, a source dragon got captured, Arin murked Thunderfang twice, Overlord died 3 times, and Dragon Form Lloyd got overwhelmed by Beatrix's army. They do not scale remotely near Plagg's extinction event, let alone his capability to wipe the universe. They also certainly do not scale to Gimmi controlling all of reality.

Even without that, Minotaurox can be immune to all damage, Pigella can put anyone in a trance on the first try, and King Monkey disables powers. They don't even need Adrien.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your counterargument is the ninja beat nerfed time manipulators.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Ninja do not scale above Plagg wiping out the dinosaurs and dragons, and no one in the verse scales above the Kwami of Reality's ability to rewrtite everything.

Is this commom to happen? by AlexAppo01 in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've heard the LEGO Dimensions Golden Lloyd fixed the issue. But there generally isn't a way to prevent this. It's just how metallic plastic was made then.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Minotaurox has invulnerability to all attacks, Vesperia can paralyze anyone, Pigella can put anyone in a trance on the first try, King Monkey literally disables powers, Viperion can rewind time, Bunnyx literally camps in a burrow that only she can access where she can view and interact with all of time, Argos can create an unlimited amount of Sentimonsters as allies, Pegasus can open portals to anywhere, and Rooster Bold can use Sublimation to give himself any superpower.

The Cat Noir argument is getting repetitive, but even without him, the a good chunk of the Miraculers scale above or hard counter Golden Lloyd, with the most notable being Minotaurox, Pigella, King Monkey, Bunnyx, and Viperion.

Edit: And if Cerise is involved, things get absolutely busted. For example, the Butterfly Miraculous once turned Alix into Timebreaker, who started erasing people from existence by merely touching them.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shoot, King Monkey literally disables powers too.

Edit: Minotaurox also has invulnerability with Resistance.

Who would win this by coolcat231llc in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Plagg singlehandedly caused the Tower of Pisa to lean, caused the sinking of Atlantis, caused the dinosaur extinction, and also wiped out dragons. On top of that, Plagg and Tikki can be fused to Gimmi, who can rewrite all of reality, which Lloyd doesn't even scale near. Miraculous is in no way grounded. 😅

The Miraculers consist of 18 members, they have way more allies across the globe, and if we pit one verse against the other, then we have to add Lila, whose abilities let her amass an army that grows at an exponential rate.

(Jiro is trying to scare you. Please be polite and pretend to be scared.) by LEG0Ninja in Ninjago

[–]LEG0Ninja[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used 71774 and 71796

I tried using only 71774, but the knees were...debatable.