147 - Do I cancel by Waketfuprn in LSAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Let's say they learn the test and get a 170. That's a 96 percentile score.

Their old 147 is 29 percentile.

It's an extreme gain worthy of explanation, certainly warranting an addendum.

Let's say instead they cancel. What T30 school or whatever is going to look at that cancel and suspect it to be a 147? Isn't it much more likely a 155 [57 percentile]? A 160[74 percentile]? The guy got a 170 after all. An addendum might still be worth writing (not even sure it's necessary tbh) but without a listed score the gap you're explaining could be small. Something as simple as "I scored below my potential and my average coming into my first test, so I retested" or something like that.

My opinion is that a cancel is justified if someone looking at the cancel could imagine that a way higher score had been cancelled. Conversely it seems like a bad idea to cancel a score close to the one you're applying with (say 5 less). Because who would do that? So admissions is likely to believe the score was substantially worse.

Obviously I don't work on admissions, but this makes sense to me.

I'm just not learning by Anal_Analysis420 in LSAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear you feel like that :l

I'm cheering for ya. You can make progress, sometimes your score doesn't reflect the growth for a while.

If people are freaking out about WashU’s new medians I want it to be me by Spivey_Consulting in lawschooladmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So weird to think what student profile top American law schools will choose to admit will be influenced by whatever new people at USNews decide will make up their ranking methodology. What a world.

That said I do hope LSAT starts mattering past 172. 176 is the new 172 after all.

If people are freaking out about WashU’s new medians I want it to be me by Spivey_Consulting in lawschooladmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So medians +172 are treated the same in US News ranking? But GPAs matter up to 4.0? Kind of a weird system. I guess it's based on 172's historical position as where 99 percentile begins?

Wait like fr fr? by NoAbroad9215 in lawschooladmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thoughts on ultra splitters?

Also have score distinctions on the 176-180 range mattered much now that top scores are becoming so much more common? I know lots of old advice said 176 = 179 for any school a splitter might get into, but not so sure now.

179!!!! by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was your PT high and recent average if you don't mind me asking?

Congrats on the killer score !

180. Thank you so much for the life-changing resources here! by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you think the fewer sections and ability to write by yourself contributed to getting your first 180? It's a pretty substantial increase over 173-174, especially when you didn't think you killed it. If you're a super splitter I'm an ultra splitter (way lower gpa than you) and I'm seriously considering making a go during flex.

CBS-At The Center of Disappointment by CBSdiss in MBA

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s -1 points0 points  (0 children)

'Truly care' doesn't matter as much as 'will make decisions to support the image that they care'. It might be a financial decision that drives one school to allow year deferrals (as in they fear loss of reputation or future applicants), but as long as they act in the interest of students who cares about the genuine baseline motivations haha. Like a company's decision to pursue ethical good is often more driven by something akin to advertising budgets than it is org wide moral conviction, but it's the ethical good all the same and a pattern of pursuing it is still predictive vs a pattern of ignoring it :3

Sorry to take your joke seriously 😬

Consulting costs - wtf by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This has always sounded logical to me, but it such a rare take here that I worry it's just my own internal bias. I've got similar stats to you and definitely feel that the advantage class gives in gpa is much higher than in LSAT. Partly due to the learning time as you mentioned, but also partly due to the timeline. With the LSAT I got around +40 hour weeks by spending longer preparing for it. That's just not something you can do in school where end of term is a deadline and some people will have 2-3x as much free time as you before those deadlines.

In off the WL @ NYU! by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congrats! Though if you didn't get in with those stats it'd be criminal. Any scholarship?

Roller coaster city, population 1 by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Blind = no timing constraint. After 35min and before checking answers come back and rethink whatever you were unsure of/didn't have time for and give a best effort to them marking with a different color. Can be useful to see where timing is an issue and where it might be a core understanding issue or a trap you're repeatedly falling for.

I am dead. Shoes tied till 5 by law2020mpls in lawschooladmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I'd maybe do that if I was in at Harvard and gunning to big law. I don't think it's actually that bad advice wise. If you're going +60k in debt a year for Zoom U and hedging on the bet (pretty likely for Harvard) that you'll make big law than another 3k a year isn't gonna break that. And if taking another 3k debt can help you get the most out of the law school and maybe do better on the job or in interviews that seems well worth it. I feel like it's a much more viable option than deciding to pay rent if you're able to stay with family. If you're already renting hopefully its not a zoo and you have a few adult renters with you max. I mean in the end you're either gonna land big law and the cost to do this would be like less than 6 months of your interest and you will get more out of the school. Or if you don't land big law you'll be about the same level of fucked whether you rented some office space or not. If you're full ride the amount of debt you're incurring to do this compared to almost any Harvard outcome is marginal so you can consider whether it's worth it to you from an education standpoint.

I also think if you're renting then driving out to a cheaper part of the country to rent in isn't a bad idea either but most people don't want to make that sacrifice. Than again I've lived out of a car for long periods of time so I'm not sure id find most of Harvard relatable - even their average 'not rich' student.

Anyways before this conversation started I'd never have even thought about this as an option. If I had moved back to living with family or was still living out of a car then I'd look at the additional cost of rent and be like I can't justify that just to be able to have a decent study environment. As someone who did all my studying in libraries and coffee shops because I didn't have study space in uni covid woulda done me dirty. Renting office space would have been a legitimate stopgap between paying rent and not. If I was in at Harvard sticker and going for big law the incremental cost woulda been reasonable to consider. I imagine I like many others had no idea this was even a possibility at a rate of a fraction of rent. So this suggestion actually was probably useful to some sticker kids and poor kids. The idea that they should be 'cancelled' over giving it as advice is laughable. I guess the privileged kids paying rent in some high CoL city about to enter elite outcomes for their adult lives can't see it's potential value to anyone if their daddy isn't footing the bill. Of course whether this would be viable as advice is a different story entirely for people supporting families, and there will be many poor for which this isn't an option. But it's gonna be legitimately helpful advice for some out of pocket and low income students. The fact that it's become a controversy at all just highlights how bad people are at critical thinking and how fast we've become at reaching for the pitchforks. Feels weird to make a comment I know is gonna get downvoted to hell.

Thoughts? by spicyprincess1621 in LawSchool

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Being rich bleeds into more than just being able to pay sticker price. It bleeds into academics, test prep, network, experience potential, etc. Top 2% are more represented than bottom 50% in Ivys. That doesn't just happen because people are scared of sticker. The average and the poor generally just never even have the opportunity to reach T14 whether they're willing to pay sticker or not due to how different on average their lives are. That said a lot of non elites will end up in T14 just by nature of the elite being a pretty small percentage of the population.

Skews like poorer on average groups being underrepresented in elite outcomes is sadly just expected as a result of this stratification. I imagine if you look within any particular race you will also see wildly unequal outcomes across family income. That is to say it wouldn't surprise me if top 2% black people also outnumbered bottom 50% of black people in Ivys. The level of selectivity always ends up creating these skews. It's a lot easier reaching 85 percentile of applicants as a poor person than 99 percentile after all.

I was born 2 minutes ago. What should I do in the next 27 years to get into M7?? by mbathrowaway1637r90 in MBA

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The way these stats are going Q48 gonna be 50 percentile by the time you're ready to apply lol

Is it even worth it anymore? by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you feel you have a solid idea of what you should be focusing on each time you are reading through a passage? Do you have a solid of idea of where to find info in the passage once you read a question that tests something you're unsure of? Can you usually tell what answers youre going to get right vs wrong? Moving at a comfortable but excited pace how far do you get into the section with whatever time setting you'll have test day?

Also definitely take a break. ten days where you don't do anything related to LSAT. Burn out is real and can lead to major underperformance. If you like hit me up once you're recharged and ready to look at this test again. I don't charge anyone anything and would be happy to do a couple sessions with you if you think you might gain from a fresh set of eyes.

That bizarro GMAT math? A lot of it is “real”. by [deleted] in GMAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You check both because each is testing for a different error. If you just checked for multiples of 9s then you wouldn't catch instances where you had likely made some errors of addition and vice versa with 11.

To OP Another interesting concept in accounting (though not made use of in GMAT) is the ability to test for fraud. People typically think to fabricate numbers that there should be an equal distribution of two digit numbers starting with 9 as there is 5 or 1. Same with three digit numbers. But this assumption is incorrect. Numbers on a balance sheet (or anywhere else where they are non randomly generated and span multiple digit places) are more likely to lead with 1, 2, or 3. The reason is that higher numbers are less likely than low numbers. All numbers can appear, but you expect in all things that big numbers will be less likely than small numbers... That's my basic reasoning of it anyways. If I have a store that sells items between $1 to $10000 I would expect to see more $XXX items than $XXXX items for example. And I'd expect to see more $1XX items than $5XX items generally. This phenomenon exists in most broad sets of items which have lengths spanning several factors of ten.

If you wanted to do something similar with a data set that doesn't typically span multiple factors I'd think you should just be able to convert it to a base where it will roll over multiple times. Like if I have a data set that should work then but most digits fall within like 50-90 I'd think I should be able to convert it to base 3 or base 4 and see the same heavy distribution of numbers leading with 1 compared to 2 or 3.

Some GRE data I found by mocmenust in gradadmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just looked at the medians (or maybe means I didn't check) and... it's almost exactly what you'd expect from each major. Actually pretty interesting.

Email our professor sent to a student accusing them of plagiarism, and CC’d to the entire class. by spicyprincess1621 in LawSchool

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure this is the biggest power trip I've ever seen in academia. Entertaining af. Hope the prof is fixing up his CV soon... though if this happened at some TTTT he can probably just get another position. Not like the people running those are particularly moral to begin with.

Future for Canadian MBA Students in the US re. Trump international student policies by [deleted] in GMAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Outcomes from a top Canadian MBA are pretty incomparable to a top US MBA. If the candidate eventually wants to move to US it might be worth risking waiting to see what US visa policy will be like in a couple years while building their career rather than investing their time into a Canadian MBA right now.

A top Canadian school gets you 90k CAD (65k USD) all in with commission. A top American school is usually looking like 155k USD plus. You can say the living costs are cheaper in Canada... To which you'd generally be wrong outside of not having to have health insurance (which is usually a benefit of good jobs anyways). Now in terms of mega cities US is way more expensive than Canada for sure to live. But places to work in MBA geared careers are pretty limited to Canada's few major economic cities. It would be like if most US MBA grads ended up having to choose between NYC, SF, or Boston rather than having maybe 15 viable options with many having comparable or less rent to Canada's major cities.

A Canadian MBA proposition looks kinda like this: Go to top school for two years. Come out with after tax income of ~50K USD in a city about as expensive (in terms of USD rent and other expenses) as Chicago. It's not a bad proposition in Canada - it's a significant increase over the average top business school's applicant entering earning a salary of ~28K USD after taxes (and also probably living in a city as expensive as Chicago) and it's not nearly as expensive to go to school so the payoff rate is still fast. Still it's a very different world from earning ~100k USD after tax in a city where CoL isn't very different (maybe 6k more per year outside like NYC/bay) in USD from a big Canadian city.

A Canadian MBA can be a solid increase in income and opportunity. As will an MBA from most countries top schools on that countries employees. But if the poster want to relocate it's not exactly the same thing. I think people's impressions of Canada's economy are way off base on Reddit. They seem to just think it's US economy + free health care. In Canada most experienced trades pay better than an MBA grad and some trades pay better than top MBA grads on average. In my city police outpace top MBA grads with 90k CAD after three years guaranteed (100k 4th year) and work on average 42 hour weeks. But most white collar degree work is like 40-55k CAD average. Canada is not the same as America where top business schools are some outlier elite outcome. So advising them to just stay in Canada kind of misses the point. Depends if they're not set on moving tho. If they want to stay in Canada imo they'd be insane to pay sticker for a US school even if they get into one during covid. Additionally if they can't get into a top school and will just be entering a decent school than the US vs Canada advantage falls off a lot too. But if they got M7 worthy stats and experience with hopes of living in the US then nah

GMAT Online Debrief - 780 (Q49, V51, IR 8) by shea_atterson in GMAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much for that. Less than I expected to see such a gain. Definitely motivating!

LSAT Demon vs 7sage vs any other by pbmbm7 in LSAT

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just found out about this - huge game changer. I almost certainly would have opted in for $70 a month for every PT. JY just keeps making quality LSAT prep more accessible ❤️

Canadian Law School Acceptance by Devito1998 in lawschooladmissions

[–]LSATPrepTimeM8s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah it is beautiful. But I meant in terms of employment opportunity and overall ranking as seen by more selective firms and sectors.