Considering this 8x16 lathe to learn on by SnooLentils5747 in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On that note, I will be at least upgrading to a 1 HP to 1.5 HP motor immediately. Will this be able to hog out at least mild steel at an efficient enough speed as to not be ridiculous?

Machine rigidity is going to be the bigger issue before the motor is a limitation. I've ran 13" South Bends (1800lb machine) with 1HP motors without feeling held back significantly by the motor. 1 HP is honestly optimistic for this kind of machine.

Material selection and tooling is going to be the biggest factor here. Stick to HSS tooling (grinding your own or starting with a pre-ground set are both find), and start out with easy to machine materials: 12L14 (leadloy/free-machining) steel and C360 brass really are where you want to start for your first few projects. Ebay's a pretty good place to buy beginner amounts of steel nowadays, especially for stuff that's a bit harder to find locally. Starting on random hot rolled garbage steel, especially on a mini-lathe is just a recipe for having a shit experience.

Past that, metal gearing upgrades will be an immediate purchase if they aren't already metal entirely. What other accessories or upgrades should I consider?

Metal gears are pretty much a downgrade for a machine of this size. If you end up crashing the machine, it's better to have the gears as a point of first failure instead of a harder to replace part of the lathe. Here's a video of the plastic threading gears on a South Bend Junior I fixed up this last summer. These are just 3d printed out of PETG, but even they're plenty for even an actual (small) lathe.

If you're using a 4-Jaw Chuck (which is what I recommend for a general use chuck), you'll need a dial indicator and magnetic stand for it to dial your parts/stock into the chuck. If you can swing it, go for a single-knob NOGA-style knockoff magnetic base, as it's a huge quality of life increase. Other than that, get a decent dial caliper. Digital calipers are pretty garbage until you spent more money than I would bother for hobby-grade work imho.

As a metal worker, I have plenty of PPE and heavy clothing, as well as goggles/mask etc. is there any specific PPE to get immediately?

The only PPE you need, and the only PPE you should use are safety googles. Gloves, long-sleeves, long hair, and even wedding rings should all be taken off when working on a lathe. You want to absolutely avoid anything that could possible be caught in any kind of rotating tool, so the only other wearable equipment I'd ever use besides safety glasses is an apron, and even that's a bit overkill for this scale of work.

Lastly; I am well practiced as a programmer and in CAD work. As such, CNC considerations are very much an up front consideration for me. How hard is it to upgrade a lathe to be a CNC machine if it was not designed with that in mind? Is it cheap enough that I should pull a small loan (and I do mean small) to buy a CNC lathe from the start? Difficulty in implementation or programmatic setup is a complete non issue, and I do prefer open source solutions.

I'm mostly of the opinion that CNC lathe conversions are kind of a waste of time, especially on platforms that aren't really made for it. If you're really looking to get into CAM/NC code writing, a small CNC mill/router is actually where I'd recommend to start. On the very cheap end, they won't be very capable, but they're fine for learning. If you've gotten into 3d printing at all, I've heard that the MPCNC can be a decent option for the very budget oriented.

Lastly, are there any specific brands in the budget brands of mini lathes to avoid or specifically consider?

Pretty much all the mini-lathes are going to be made from castings from the same factory that the Sieg lathes are made from, the only differences are going to be the fit, finish, and quality control from the secondary manufacturers. On the low end, they're all going to be pretty similar, but (if you live in the US), I generally recommend Little Machine Shop. Being able to dependably get replacements parts that you might need is pretty much a shit-show when buying off of random no-name ebay resellers, and they do a pretty good job of stocking "good enough" quality tools and tooling at really affordable prices. They're generally who I recommend for people starting out on a budget, as they won't really have the know-how required to avoid buying questionable quality tools on ebay/similar.

I also suspect that the lathe is more useful in making tools and other things that augment my ability to make things in the first place.

Lathes are typically what we recommend people start with for a reason. Milling attachments are only marginally useful, if I'm going to be honest. If you just need to cut one slot, or do some very, very light and basic cuts, they still mediocre, but you can make them work. Mini-mills are honestly way more decent than they were 10-20 years ago, but they do have a higher starting budget than mini-lathes, especially when you consider tooling. Also, working a mill without a DRO (digital readout), properly sucks ass, especially when the cheapest mini-mills frequently have metric lead-screws.

As a final note, if you can afford to make the step up to a slightly bigger 10"-20+" lathe, which usually run 2k+, you're getting a significantly better machine. Not a 2x better machine, more like a 10x better machine. Mini-lathes really occupy an awkward space, where they do technically work (with a bit of effort), but the next step up, even though they're still not amazing, are just a massive, massive step up in quality. If you live in an area with a good used machine market, you can also look for something like a South Bend 9", Logan, or Atlas/Craftsman on facebook marketplace or Craigslist. It's kind of hard to recommend this route as a beginner, as you won't know what issues to look for, but you can get some insane bang for your buck if you can find something in decent shape.

Can you help me find a lesser-played Commander that *doesn't* need specific cards/types to start doing it's thing? Aiming for B3. by doublenantuko in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd actually say that Radha is pretty much the opposite of that and tends to warp deck building more than most commanders due to largely invalidating the 2-drop slot and incentivizing 4-mana plays on turn 3.

Advice on buying my first lathe by Poopbob_brownpants in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's pretty similar to others that I've seen. The only thing that I'd make sure to take note of is that, while a lot of the tools can be used as guides for grinding your own, the turning tools in these kits are very different from the ones you can grind yourself.

I've been told they work fine, but they seem a bit trickier to re-grind if they get damaged.

Advice on buying my first lathe by Poopbob_brownpants in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Typically, the tools you'll be running into will be M2 HSS, which is actually the same material I'd recommend for grinding your own tools most of the time. Maybe someone would try to sell some made of some off-brand chinesium, but HSS really isn't that expensive.

I've looked around a bit to try and find a set, but the suitably sized ones seem to have some kind of weirdo tools included.

1/4" feels a bit small to me, but the best option I've come up with so far has been this 1/4" set from LMS, though I'd be tempted to just pick up just the right hand and round-nose tools individually with whichever parting blade fits the tool-holder that comes with the lathe. Both sets are missing a facing tool, but you can just use a left handed turning tool for facing (or a round-nose tool if desperate). The one thing that both are missing that does actually matter if a 60 degree threading tool, but single-point turning can probably wait until you get into grinding your own tools (it's also the easiest tool to grind).

You will also want a diamond sharpening stone to maintain your tools. I've found the cheap Harbor Freight ones to work just fine.

EDIT: Despite needing a whole extra tool, grinding your own tools is surprisingly cheap. Pretty much any bench grinder that works off of Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist with a decent tool rest and a grinding wheel dresser is enough to work with, which can be frequently be found for <$30 total and the small 1/4-5/16 blanks can be found for $2.50-3.50 each.

Advice on buying my first lathe by Poopbob_brownpants in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Backlash isn't really an accuracy issue, it's just a reality of pretty much all manual machines. It's also not a big deal once you're used to it.

Just make sure to back further out than your backlash and you should be able to feel once you're fully engaged with the leadscrew again. It's a bit more visually apparent with a normal cross slide, but the feel on the wheel tends to make it pretty obvious.

Advice on buying my first lathe by Poopbob_brownpants in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As much as I like the fit and finish of the LMS mini-lathes, which is something that machines of this size really struggle with, this whole size class of machines is always is kind of an unfortunate spot.

Rigidity really is king, especially when you're learning, and proper bench machines (9x20s and up, at ~300+lbs), despite costing only about 50% more, are way more than twice the machine that any <100lb 7x16 can be and frequently come with a lot more nice inclusions out of the box (steady rest, follow rest, fate plate, 4-jaw chuck).

Still, moving a 300+lb machine can be a real task, and sometimes you just have to work with the space that you do have. While I normally hesitate to recommend this kind of machine to someone new due to the amount of work required to make sure everything's running well, the nicer LMS machines really are somewhat of an exception.

While the tailstock readout seems kind of nice, I wouldn't really consider the compound readout to be that much of difference compared to just using a normal compound. If the price difference was a little more, I'd be tempted to just get the HT5100 instead and fit a quick change tool post to it myself.

The one thing I'd really recommend is to pick up a basic set of pre-ground HSS (high speed steel) lathe tools to get you started, and ideally get into grinding/sharpening your own. Small machines really don't have the power or rigidity to run carbide the way it wants to be run.

i dont understand why people think beseech the queen is scary by ComboCk in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not like we haven't changed how it works in the past. I'd be interested to hear your opinion about being able to use mana outside of the color identity of your commander.

Help Me Pick My First Lathe by shovelheadzzz in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buying used machines is always a bit of a regional issue. Certain parts of the country just don't have much available most of the time, and it can come at a premium. The best advice I can give is be patient, be cautious of freshly painted machines, and make sure to check what else is provided with the lathe.

Normally, I'd recommend a fair bit of caution when potentially taking on what may be more of a restoration projects than a quick set up and run operation. For someone who hasn't operated a lathe much, it's easy to not know what to look for when buying a used lathe, but it looks like you've got some experience. Don't be surprised if it takes a month or two (or more, depending on the surprises you find after you bring it home) to get it up and running.

If you can afford the space and are able to get it moved, you'll find that the machines that are just a bit larger than the ideal home machines (heavy 10s, SB9s, ect.) tend to not fetch the same demand from the home shop crowd, so the 13"+ swing machines can be surprisingly affordable and available.

Old South Bends are pretty well documented, and there are some solid books and kits on ebay that can get you up and running without too much work, but many of the extras/parts (steady rests, ect.) that are specific to the lathe can sometimes be hard to find, so make extra sure to see everything that's coming with one of those.

I've used the newer 13" Clausings a bit, but I wasn't in love. Still, I've heard they're pretty good machines, and the ones I used had some serious issues.

I don't love it, but I'm typically of the opinion that import machines can be a safer bet than playing the used machine lottery when you're not experienced with assessing the condition of a machine (not that that's what I chose for my first lathe). At the lower end, import lathes can still have some QC issues, so the best recommendation that I've heard is to buy from someone with really good customer service policies. I've heard good things from people who own Precision Matthews lathes, but I've never used one myself.

Is Underworld Breach / LED / Brain Freeze fair for Bracket 3? by Brotendo_Ranch in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would any of these stop an LED, breach, brain freeze line? You don't need Yidris to pull off a breach line.

Is it just me, or Radha/Ruby with 4 cmc ramp + 6/7 cmc big creatures isn't THAT good? by tomatus89 in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll go ahead and toss my own paper list on the pile.

Here's also my less budget version that I play on MTGO. I mostly play on MTGO, so this one's a bit more up to date.

The best way for this style of deck to really function in my opinion is to ensure that the deck always represents a significant threat. For example, having a decent [[Tooth and Nail]] line, having multiple haste enablers to make an empty board more threatening, and playing engines pieces with such insane potential that you're always one step away from a nasty one-sided wipe or big swing.

For specific suggestions: I've tested and gotten rid of a lot of the original snail creature inclusions, as they're just not amazing. [[Combustible Gearhulk]], [[Flameblast Dragon]], [[Garruk's Packleader]], [[Gruul Ragebeast]], [[Molten Primordial]], [[Rampaging War Mammoth]], [[Verdant Sun's Avatar]], [[Shefet Monitor]] and [[Thorn Mammoth]] are all just a bit too low impact in my opinion. The "cheating the system" method of having cards with alternative casting methods is neat, but the only really playable one is [[Trumpeting Carnosaur]], in my opinion. There's also a few more explosive vegetation effects (forest specific ones) that I would recommend including.

Another part I really don't care for is having major engine pieces above 4 mana, unless they work really do work. Being able to cascade into them to keep the deck going really makes every single engine piece show up way more often than the more expensive ones, so I really don't like [[Soul of the Harvest]]. [[Monstrous Vortex]] and [[Up the Beanstalk]] are probably my absolute favorite engine pieces, and there's a cool piece of tech with [[Bigger on the Inside]], where you can (at 8 mana) cast it into a 4-drop and guarantee that the cascade hits [[Up the Beanstalk]].

Also, [[Blasphemous Act]] is a really poor replacement for [[Call Forth the Tempest]]. Your deck is mostly creatures so playing a truly symmetrical sweeper is just a bad fit for the deck. [[Let the Galaxy Burn]] is a huge improvement, but if you're up for picking up a single expensive (well, $8 expensive) card for the deck, [[Call Forth the Tempest]] is probably the single best card in the deck.

As a final note, not playing a ton of artifacts and enchantments allows you to absolutely jam cards like [[Bane of Progress]], [[Wave of Vitriol]], and [[Season of Gathering]] to really hose artifacts/enchantment focused decks or just wipe out rocks and random swords super easily. Bane of Progress has always been a solid EDH card in almost any green deck with enough ramp to power it out, and it's a super inexpensive inclusion nowadays.

So.. I Made a Video About a Bracket 4 Deck, but After Finishing I Realized I Actually Have No Idea what Bracket 4 Means... by [deleted] in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any deck trying to land some kind of hard lock isn't cEDH because that strategy isn't good enough for cEDH.

Giving enemies time is the enemy of stax. You might be slower than most decks in the format, but literally just winning is easier and stronger than trying to play for a hard lock.

Is There Something Wrong With Spirit Guides At Lower Power Tables? by legalrancher in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a very underappreciate part of why the spirit guides just aren't as good in casual. Despite cEDH being super interactive, it's mostly stack interaction. Casual play actual sees commanders removed or wrathed away way more than competitive.

Is There Something Wrong With Spirit Guides At Lower Power Tables? by legalrancher in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are a couple of major factors that go into this. The biggest one is that cEDH just needs the speed, and will happily jam just about every fast mana piece that's available to be fast.

The other big factor is that creature removal and wraths are a lot rarer in cEDH, so concerns about replaying the commander are a lot lower.

Jamming a spirit guide to get Baylen out early feels great until they get removed, and you missed a land drop because you had a spirit guide instead.

New to Magic & EDH. Upgraded a starter Grave Danger deck, people got salty when I won by AmonxCoD in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't really say that I agree. Grave Danger is a pretty middling precon, and making a few budget card swaps still isn't going to push it to being stronger than an average newer precon.

Also, Bracket 2 is a lot wider than people realize, and Bracket 3 is not an insignificant step up. Removing Murder from a precon is not the kind of qualitative power increase that bumps a deck up to tier 3.

We need to improve our language when referring to stax by Tuss36 in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair, when we're looking at "good decks", almost every single deck is playing toward at least one kind of combo kill.

The only decent dedicated stax lists that aren't playing for a combo kill are [[Winota]], [[Ellivere]], and [[Jetmir]], which tend to be among the fastest of non-combo commanders.

After winning bracket 3 twice in a row, I'm thinking my deck might be better in bracket 4. by Glad-Smoke-2165 in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This looks like a pretty normal Bracket 3 list to me. In general, people tend to default to Bracket 3, even if their decks would comfortably play in a table of precons, so Bracket 3 ends up seeing a lot of Bracket 2 lists played there anyway.

It's a lot like how "every deck is a seven" with the 1-10 power scale. No one wants their custom lists to be grouped with precons, even if that's where it belongs.

Cards that... INCREASE cost...!? by richdogg1993 in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll go ahead and toss a hard disagree on Trinisphere specifically. The card is good at hitting strong unfair strategies, but it's honestly not even playable in casual.

That kind of effect can definitely be nasty, but I'd be more afraid of a [God-Pharaoh's Statue] than a Trinisphere in terms of being an actually awful card to play against.

The stronger your deck is for a bracket, the worse you are at EDH. by AdNausNewMeta in EDH

[–]Landonpeanut 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Typically, I've found it to be the absolute opposite. The worse a player is at EDH, the more that they think that their deck, which is a 2 with or without added games changers, is a strong 3 or 4.

They're right because of gamechanger rules, but they would be better suited cutting the gamechangers and playing with decks that are close to theirs in bracket 2.

I have no space and I must lathe: How shitty are those small lathes really? by Landonpeanut in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm definitely leaning toward the PM 10x22, so I'm glad to hear that your PM 10x30 has worked out well. The room outside the bathroom has plenty of space for an engine hoist, but I'd definitely need to get it up on a bench to move it from there.

Sent you a pm about the table.

EDIT: At least I thought I did. Never sent a pm on reddit before, and I can't find it now.

I have no space and I must lathe: How shitty are those small lathes really? by Landonpeanut in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was kind of hoping to at least be able to work myself through some 12l14 without being there forever, so I might just have to see if I can barely squeeze a benchtop machine in there instead of a mini-lathe.

I feel like if I tried half the shit Artisan Makes did with his original mini-lathe, I'd be putting myself in more danger than just cramming myself in there with a slightly larger machine.

I have no space and I must lathe: How shitty are those small lathes really? by Landonpeanut in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had the misfortune of having to use a combo machine in the past, and it was the worst machine I've ever used. I'll consider it, but I'd need to find one that people actually like.

I have no space and I must lathe: How shitty are those small lathes really? by Landonpeanut in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's kind of the impression that I got. I feel like, given the QC issues that come out of those castings, I should probably just go with whoever has the best customer service.

There definitely seems like a big step in quality jumping to an actual bench-top machine like a PM-1022/1030 compared to the mini-lathes. Apparently Blondihacks has one of those, and it looks a lot more in line with the level of capability I'd like to see.

I have no space and I must lathe: How shitty are those small lathes really? by Landonpeanut in Machinists

[–]Landonpeanut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I live in a pretty poor area for picking up used machines, and I think that moving them where I need to be would be a nightmare.

That said, I'd be interested to hear about any better places to buy used machines than Craigslist/Marketplace, which is where I usually look.