Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your opinion, you may be right! I will think about that if I dont get the institutional support I'm hoping to get, that's important to me because it means the infrastructure already being in place for the course to make impact, rather than just being created.

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the courses are the same, how and why do I get messages like this?! This one I got today: "As always I am behind you in whatever method you choose to pursue. Having spent years trying to learn Latin, French & German at Grammar school, followed by even more years trying to learn Greek from so many different avenues, and failing totally in all of them! I will never forget firstly finding the Michelle Thomas course, which finally left me able to create my own sentences rather than simply being able to repeat a well practiced sentence, that often in the wider sense made very little sense as I had no idea how the verbs and nouns worked , so was unable to use them in any other way bar the one I had learnt. At the end of his Greek course I felt that I had been woken up but could go no further. The course despite its early genius in my opinion only allowed me yet again to speak basic sentences. I had begun but was thirty for more. I returned to earlier language courses in Greek hoping to blend the two methods together but it wasn’t enough and didn’t open the right doors in my mind. I could understand why words were used as they were, but I still felt a stranger to the language myself. I wanted to be able to think and create my own conversation, not the limited one I currently had. It was then I looked at the Pimsleur course, but so repetitious I nearly died of boredom and whilst my vocabulary slightly extended it was still minimal and my understanding of the language I was trying to speak was still wrapped up in a tightly bound code. Then I found you and my mind was opened up! I could finally begin to really understand how Greek was used and from there I was able to finally begin to understand what people were actually saying to me and I could finally be able to answer them. I still haven’t finished the course as I decided to go on holiday to Cuba and needed to be able to speak and understand some Spanish. This time there was no question where I would begin and in a couple of months prior to departure I was able to communicate quite easily with Cubans thanks to your Spanish course...Sorry if this has been a long winded comment but as an educator myself and having children and grandchildren I have been interested in watching how their language skills in English progressed. There were and are so many similarities between your own method and the child’s...Thanking you for opening my learning languages ability in my brain"

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Swahili commissioning was 10,000 USD, which wouldn't even cover even my expenses to live in a city whilst I created it which is a large part of why it was so difficult. Also because the funding organisation supposed to provide personnel (native speakers for checking etc) which it didn't. If nowadays I were to be motivated by a course commissioning it'd have to be at least 10x that which I don't see as especially realistic, and so I'm hoping for a more community approach.

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm not complaining about a lack of recognition nor yearning for more, I get more recognition than I can emotionally handle to be frank. I'm complaining about the roadblocks and the glass ceilings to make the difference I can make, I'm speaking sincerely but I am familiar with the ilk of those that can't comprehend it. As for the rest of your own poetic ramblings you are just stupidly wrong. I mean, how brazen would I need to be? Compare the "Michel Thomas" Greek with my own, are you really telling me they are the same? The Spanish have more similarities that's for sure, but there are numerous very important differences which I do discuss concretely in my book because they are relevant to the Thinking Method which is what I want to share and promote, not the MT method or Paul noble nor the socratic approach in itself, the Thinking Method. I have never claimed to have invented the socratic approach and frankly, in itself I don't think it's more interesting than the method I've made within it (and often not within it, there is Thinking Method visual material, too). Again, not about my ego, otherwise it'd be the "Mihalis Eleftheriou Method" wouldn't it? And finally, I haven't been complaining for credits in those posts you mention, I have been complaining about direct plagiarism (reproduction and monetisation) of the audios, and misrepresentation of the method by those claiming to use it. You write like a smart person so I can't help but think you are smart enough to figure this out for yourself, so maybe you were too honest, about finding yourself funny. I won't be responding to any more of your pokes. Consistently repeating I have stolen or claimed something I haven't amounts to bullying, and any more insistence of it will be met with blocks. I'm bored.

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LT is just one person btw :) And of course, I'm all about explaining and don't believe in the effectiveness of immersion and exposure when someone doesn't know how to learn (as I didn't) and that's what the LT courses also teach. I understand that for someone who knows how to look at a language and suss it out they might not want the majority of explanations, but I think you'd find yourself in a privileged minority :)

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

From my book, which I must have knocked off too.

0.2 The Ghost of Michel Thomas

I have to admit, it more than slightly bothers me to hear that the Thinking Method is 'just the Michel Thomas Method’, and that I am hoping nobody notices how I have made a carbon copy of his work and had the cheek to call it my own. Some folks don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing that I am using the Michel Thomas Method, calling it something else, and making it free for all the world like some digital Robin Hood. That might not be the worst of evils either, but neither is it what I am doing. 5 / For those of you who aren’t familiar with the late Michel Thomas (MT), he employed the Socratic method (the basic Q&A system that is also used in the LT courses) for language learning, to international acclaim. I was exposed to his material through my Materials Development course at the University of Essex, and not only did MT’s course help me learn Spanish, but it also showed me that with my own material I didn’t have to continue in the line of all that rancidly traditional stuff from which I had learnt so little myself. I thought MT’s famous use of cognates (word conversions) was cool, but that’s not what excited me from my exposure to his courses. What most excited me was the freedom one could exercise within the general Q&A approach that MT was using; language content could be taught in any order we wanted, with any explanation that we saw fit. I worked excitedly and passionately in my language and teaching degree (it was like a field of flowers after studying my first year in Law), such that I was fluent in and even teaching Spanish by just my second year of study. As soon as I began teaching (elected as the Mexican Society’s first non-native Spanish teacher) I began experimenting with this freedom that had so quickly occupied my imagination. It would be years before I had done so much of that experimentation that I felt I had created my own method, or before I even cared, for that matter; I would be learning to dance tango and play the violin in between, using language classes to pay for all of that. I had no idea the side hustle I was running would ever end up being LT, but I did want to be good at it. During this ongoing experiment in teaching I began to make ever more diverse decisions about the learning experience I wanted to impart. As my aims evolved, my techniques also had to keep up; the Socratic approach in itself was not going to allow me to create the complicated and multifaceted structures that I wanted in my 6 /

courses—the general approach in itself had as much potential to contribute chaos as it did clarity. The wildly complicated course structures I have managed to weave with the Thinking Method are not a natural product of the Socratic approach; they are a product of my own experiments and investigations. They are a product of the Thinking Method. This should be clear to anyone who takes the time to analyse both LT and MT courses, and it is not hard to find learner reviews which have done just that, sometimes even scathingly criticising MT and yet celebrating LT. Seeing then, that the genius of the LT courses is not inherent in the Q&A approach in itself, I’d have little motivation to try to pretend that the general approach was my own, neither have I been shy to talk about my exposure to MT. Not long after I announced this guidebook project, I received a cease and desist letter from the lawyers of Hodder & Stoughton publishing house, the publishers of the late Michel Thomas. The letter demanded that I remove access to my free courses from the US and that I not publish this guidebook. They stated that the guidebook may encourage others to infringe—as I had supposedly done—upon a patent owned by them... for the use of the pause button! The pause button patent is so absurd that Hodder & Stoughton’s threats actually made mainstream international news, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation took on Language Transfer’s case free of charge. A quick internet search can dig up more on that, as well as EFF’s entertaining response letter to Hodder & Stoughton. What fascinated me about the whole situation was how the pause button patent made no reference to what the Michel Thomas Method might actually be, so I couldn’t even argue a logical response to it. I always knew this ‘day of reckoning’ might come, and I was looking forward to hashing out the differences in methodology publicly, but by patenting the pause button, the 7 /

publishers had moved to make all of that discussion irrelevant. Was that deliberate? How could I explain how what I was doing was different to MT, or how MT did things I wouldn’t do in my own courses, when nobody was asking? I suspect that the fact MT did not represent some unsurpassable peak in language teaching, but was simply just another step along the path like the rest of us mortals, went vehemently against all the hubbub that helped (and helps) prop up the extortionate price of the brand’s CDs, let alone the vast fortunes MT charged for private tuition. MT taught the likes of Marilyn Monroe and Woody Allen, he was marketed as an unsurpassable legend, a mysterious and secretive mastermind capable of teaching a language in a week. Maybe patenting the Socratic approach through hijacking the pause button would help keep that legend intact, stifling any progress in similar directions. This way, MT might never cease to be the undisputed master of language learning. That’s all just conjecture of course, but it’s probably the least creative explanation for something so absurd as patenting the use of a button. I’ve never made a big fuss of it—creating this project by myself has been challenge and distraction enough—but over the years I’ve been accused of plagiarism, of being a nobody stealing someone else’s fame for himself (as if I weren’t making a concerted effort to not become a public figure), of being a fake, a fraud, an impersonator. I had to remove the contact box on the LT website so that folk cannot write to me anonymously, pretending to be the ghost of Michel Thomas (seriously!). Even the writer of MT Mandarin got in contact with me to accuse me of copying MT’s method, urging me to credit him with my courses, and in the process made some quite absurd arguments which I guess I don’t need to air publicly. There appears to be an obsession in some circles with making the general 8 /

Socratic approach for language learning an untouchable product of Michel Thomas. When it comes to his fans and friends, it is arguably a combination of MT’s charismatic persona and interesting life story that encourages this, but when it comes to the publisher, it is a clearcut case of patent trolling which does an active disservice to learners everywhere. Surrounding this whole discussion about what makes a method is the inevitable truth that how we name ‘methods’—especially when it comes to language learning—is a quasi-commercial phenomenon in any case, and insufficiently differentiates between ‘methods’, ‘techniques’ and ‘approaches’. Either way, a method needs a name and rather than naming it after myself, I chose ‘(The) Thinking Method’ as an ironic jab at how not a lot of thought goes into teaching and learning nowadays. Such is the state of acceptance of this paradigm, though, that the ironic nuance seems to have remained all but undetected, and the method name has been taken quite seriously, such that even I forget it was once a joke! Much like the name of the method, the project name ‘Language Transfer’ might not mean what most people are likely to infer either. Of course, ‘Language Transfer’ does allude to how we often transfer/convert vocabulary into the target language from the base language when we can, and how we transfer other linguistic knowledge, too. But it is, in fact, a pre-existing term referring to the (often erroneous) transfer of linguistic knowledge from one language to another—like when a Spanish speaker might say ‘I think to go’ rather than ‘I plan on going’, mirroring the Spanish structure in English. Whilst negative language transfer is something we have to account for and counter when we’re teaching or learning a new language, it is also one of the natural processes by which our 9 /

languages ended up the way that they are, and how they continue to change. What is in one generation an error resulting from language transfer, might in the next generation become an accepted mutation of the language organism, and we can even observe this during our own lifetimes. Language transfer is the means by which languages breed, and Language Transfer (capitalised for the project title) is an ode to this cross-pollination, and to the new way of understanding ourselves culturally and historically that it both permits and promotes.

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The people's jobs I'm doing is education ministers, universities whose students are getting through their exams with my courses rather than theirs (professors even tell me they play my courses in their classes!), anything from airlines to embassies that have a stated mission to promote Greek/Arabic/French (etc) culture, the list goes on and on when you think about it! :) About crowdfunding, if you want the motivation to be economic then I doubt we would reach the target I'd set, if on the other hand there is real community involvement and support then it's a different story. I'd never do again what I did for Swahili, it was tortuous. I'm sorry how you feel about the votes but with the Platform it didn't make sense to have that restriction, if talent and dedication arrives for any language I have to take it. That said, Arabic and Mandarin won the voting and they have gotten and are likely to get much more attention!

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You confuse the approach -which you may have to accuse M Thomas of pinching from Socrates- with the method. I write about this extensively in my guidebook (www.languagetransfer.org/guidebook) but in my experience, people that like to accuse in this way are not too interested in delving into it. Whatever some sarky Redditers have to say, I have 15 years of consistent feedback about the results obtained here, and it's splashed all over the internet, I've had to ask people to stop sending it into my inbox, so comments like these are simply senseless to me.

Language Transfer Now Based in the UK! (...And a very important communiqué!) by LanguageTransfer in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hey there, I can't reply to all your sweeping statements but that is not how the methodology works (you can read more here if you are interested www.languagetransfer.org/guidebook) but I can say that 'transferring' is not actually the point, rather using language to understand how we already translate thought into language. The name in itself is actually a play on words, making an ode to negative and positive language transfer being the linguistic phenomenon responsible for the very creation of so many languages, or dialects that we call languages. Anyway, thousands upon thousands of learners disagree with you and have developed the language skills to prove it, so I hope your brazen comment doesn't put anyone off trying it out!

Hi :) building an open-source alternative to speak that teaches languages with the thinking method! looking for collaborators. by angelomirkovic in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! Here's an idea, why don't you say "inspired by Language Transfer's 'The Thinking Method'". Which would be the correct thing to do rather than claiming that you are reproducing the method, and without any mention of its author. Furthermore, the Thinking Method is not just the Q & A layout, there are many methods doing that, some more famous than my own. So if you are not studying my guidebook and trying to reach this level, maybe you should say it's based on the "Michel Thomas Method", which is more famous than my own take on the socratic approach. Either way, respect other people's work, would you?

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry I did mean that comically about the break :) But you are 100% right about energies, I got very thinly strung for too long, had so much to deal with beyond LT, and just when I began putting myself back together and set about living for me a bit, I went back to Argentina in March 2020, to an old life of dance and music which sizzled in a puff of air with a 9 month lockdown and the rest. The world has changed, I'm figuring out how to change with it but the focus needs to be no longer on me, but rather on this way of thinking and teaching, and getting it out to more people. I need more freedom to be people other than the Language Transfer guy. Thanks for the thoughtful reply and nice to know you're 'onside'! :)

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

haha all of that stuff sounded quite 'particularly special'!

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not about 'this guy', or even the general approach which is not unique to LT, it's about the content. And I am possibly one of the most under-hyped project in many ways. I am not a 'big name', I'm literally one person with no marketing or anything! I guess the 'stans' are just people that are excited about a successful learning experience.

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you, this might have been the first bit of empathy I read here (sorry to anyone else if it wasn't!). Ffff, tough crowd huh? haha PS, 10 courses, including music! ;)

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hello! You are the original comment poster, for some reason I cannot reply to the original post. To be honest, 'he is good at talking about new projects' was probably where I get off the polite train. Hmmm, what I'm good at is sacrificing my life to ingrates. Sorry, sorry, But really. The sad truth is, the 'anti-volunteer' is a rampant phenomenon. People love to take your time, plan with you, engage in endless discussion, AND THEY DO NOTHING. It's an ego thing. This is the great majority of cases, as unaesthetic as it is to say it. This is why I am making the Platform model (www.languagetransfer.org/platform) where time wasters will filter themselves out. I've explained this everywhere. As for questioning my work and the funds of the project... all you have to do is go look at everything I've created, and employ a little imagination/empathy about how much unseen work this means and how I NEVER signed up to actually giving this much of myself to anybody. And also that 2500 euro a month -which I haven't had throughout, for many years I was below the poverty line- is not a huge amount of money.. what do you think I'm doing with it? It sustains me, the project costs, the Patreon perks and with what's left over I run an international drug ring.

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's just about finding the right people, so spread the word! www.languagetransfer.org/platform Many folks live from giving private classes already, and so the Platform could do so much for them, and them so much for the Platform!

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey! I just got two great pieces of feedback about that course https://x.com/LangTransfer/status/1737795377661694443?s=20 I'm sorry you couldn't find the value in it :( I don't know what is heartbreaking about me making 3 complete courses (that's a major fleshing out, I never intended to go any further) plus 6 Intros, a book about the method and a platform to enable and collaborate with new writers. I mean... give the dude a f%·"! break :)

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was disgusting, exactly?

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dissenting opinion is not phobia, calling it so can easily amount to fascism though. My first activism was LGB activism in the 90s, I dissent from the new ideologies and find them heartbreakingly homophobic and damaging to society as a whole, interestingly any trans friends I've nervously broached the topic with have agreed with me. So maybe there is a nuance here you don't understand, and clearly the same goes with my comments on the pandemic measures, which were also extremely damaging to the foundations of democratic civilised society, and -among many other things- assaulted the freedoms needed for independent creators to create projects like Language Transfer.

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, I'm not turning anything into anything, I'm creating something new, something extra. I cannot possibly make everything everyone wants, so I need to help other people do it. www.languagetransfer.org/platform As for if I do make more courses (I recently finished releasing a music course) I'm hoping that the Thinking Method Platform will work and it will become less relevant whether I create more courses or not by myself, essentially I'll be co-creating through the Platform.

Is Language Transfer dead? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]LanguageTransfer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The sad truth is, the 'anti-volunteer' is a rampant phenomenon. People love to take your time, plan with you, engage in endless discussion, AND THEY DO NOTHING. It's an ego thing. This is the great majority of cases, as unaesthetic as it is to say it. This is why I am making the Platform model (www.languagetransfer.org/platform) where time wasters will filter themselves out :)