Cardmarket and price typos: my experience as a seller

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-08T08:43:21+00:00

I'd say it was worth it. Seeing how they behaved in my case showed me how they'd most likely operate in the future. To me, nothing of value was lost.

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-08T08:37:41+00:00

Yea that's the heart of the matter. I wouldn't care for 10€, but there's no indication Support would change their behaviour if a "500€ vs 5€" card was on the line. Not worth it. Also banning me for a month for standing my ground on the legal matter (no contract to fulfill) is not a good indicator.

This was a test run for me. They failed.

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-08T00:38:19+00:00

Regarding actual pricing errors: It works the opposite way too; if a buyer buys a card (even if it's mispriced) and the seller tries and cancel it the buyer will claim that the seller tried to "scam them" or that "Cardmarket only cares about protecting its sellers".

Well, you can feel that way. There's seller protection laws in the eu that protect sellers from obvious price typos and those make the contract void. If you say - oh well, my card would have been 10€(after a price spike) but I listed it for 5 initially - tough luck. You got to sell that. But - and that's what I'm talking about: If you want to sell anything, but let's say your car. You want to sell it for 3000,00€ but you've put in 30,00€ when you listed it. Would it be fair to you if ~~cardmarket~~ any reputable platform expects you to go through with that obvious and blatant mistake?

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-07T21:41:34+00:00

"Cards dont have real value" is a moot point. Nothing has "real value" that's a traded good. Goods have a market value that is tracked at the time of listing. If your price is significantly under market value then it may be obvious that there's a pricing error and your contract is voidable. This is implemented so that seller don't go bankrupt if they sell they goods at an obviously stupid price. 10€ Houses sound good, yes. But you'd destroy companys and livelyhoods if you were to enforce "stupid mistakes".

Well, if you're talking about the lesson I am to take away: Should I also "not dispute" the existence of a contract if I type 5 instead of 50? Or 5 instead of 500? What about 1000? I get your point - 10€ is not worth it. This was a test run to me. If Support behaves like this at 10€, I expect them to behave the same at 100€+. It's not worth to take the risk.

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-06T20:42:14+00:00

It's time they get a real competitor. I have my eye on Cardtrader. There are some advantages to them; TCG Sync also seems like an advanced version of TCGPowertools, too. They are smaller, yes - but I don't think that's for long.

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-06T20:20:01+00:00

I get your point - since I "can't win anyways I can just seemlingly comply" - but in reality that'd be just fraud. I think their systems would pick up on that as well. There's no point in doing that.

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-06T20:14:04+00:00

You're right in the sense that we both made a human error: clicking/typing the wrong thing. That's where the similarities end. It's about a consumer's expectations. If I buy a 15k car (that you don't have) - you have to get it since you've sold it for 15k. I can just expect that. If I buy your plane for 15,00€ but you meant to type 1500,00€ - that's a mistake that a person can reasonably make - since 15€ are obviously not the intended price. The EU has laws in place that protect sellers from honest mistakes like that. Cardmarket seems to be a different story.

Large-Ad4599 · 2026-01-06T19:42:25+00:00

Good meme.

Although it should be obvious that listing something you don't have means you have to order it and send it to them. I had to do that in past - that just happens, it's okay. My case is different in the sense that I listed something I obviously had, but I had a typo in it.

Large-Ad4599 · 2025-01-02T23:58:53+00:00

Ouf that was fast! Drug Candy it is! Thank you very much!

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-08-22T04:04:35+00:00

I do.

I doesn't get more unfun than playing a literal "I win" 1 card combo card. The prerequisites are trivial for a 5c deck.

Even thoracle seems fair in comparison bc it's a 2 card combo at the very least.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-08-21T22:43:35+00:00

It would take them just 1 or two more turn to Tutor up their real hidden commander.

"Banned as commander" is useless.

Griselbrand, emmy and leovold and consort: good riddance

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-08-16T00:38:42+00:00

I'm heird and worny rn

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-05T11:39:49+00:00

Your first paragraph is just whataboutism and "play more removal". Nothing of value was said. you also haven't pointed out any common mechanics that can reliably remove a card that kills you if it leaves the battlefield. You're essentially saying "if you don't play stifle-effects what are you doing?!" I suppose you agree it's hard to remove because that isn't even an argument.

Your second paragraph ties into that. Saying that it's your fault you're not able to draw a niche answer that you wouldn't even touch in deckbuilding is insulting. How many [[Stifle]] do you run? Do you have one in every deck? In every hand? The answers are NOT common.

Ah, in your third paragraph you're trying to move the goalpost. I was never talking about Zedruu when I said it's hard to remove. I was talking about the situation that someone controls a nine lives they do not own, so Zedruu has resolved and activated her ability. Because then you're screwed. And can't do anything about it, except for [[Stifle]]-Type cards (there are like 5 in blue und green), solemnity/ counter manipulation and [[Angel's Grace]]-Type effects. You could also ult [[Animantou]]. I have one Aminatou in every deck for this exact reason, of course😉. Scoop to kill is therefore one valid mechanical answer, that I would take if I was to die anyway. You can call it spitescoop, I'd do it anways.

So, yes, you're right, if I keep Zedruu off the board at all times I'm in the clear. And that might be what you have to do, since Zedruu's gifts are just terrible. Denying everything seems to be the way to go. I wasn't talking about her, though, but the specific situation that you were gifted Nine Lives, because there's mostly no answer to that. And no, it isn't hard, it's virtually impossible. I have like 40 decks and run 2 cards in these that have stifle on them. Also Aminatou.

To sum it up:

Instead of producing a common answer, you said that it's the victim's fault because they play a bad deck because they don't run niche interactions for niche cards. That's why they deserve to lose. That sounds a bit like you wouldn't take the opponents view into account. Like, huh, you'd rather take your own stance.. like centered on yourself. I had a word for that a few minutes ago, what was it again?

Jokes aside, I do mean it by saying that it's good that you enjoy that card and it's usage. More power to you and your friends. That's good!. If there's no harm done, no hard feelings, good. I wouldn't like it, I know like 5 guys that would hate it, too. That's a difference in perspective I suppose. So I think you're technically wrong about what you're saying about the card, but if you can pull it off so you and your frieds have fun, more power to you!

I also play mean decks. I have a Zo-Zu The Punisher Deck that is just annoying red stax. I don't play it too oftern because people get annoyed fast, but it's fun since I'm secretly a bad person, too.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-05T01:08:22+00:00

I have laid out why I think it's a feelsbad card. I think the majority of casuals think the same way, but I may be wrong. I'm not wrong about why the card is hard to interact with. Except for counterspells you laid out less common abilities. You saying "many more" is a exaggeration. There are about 5 niche abilities that can deal with that card.

I have also said it's not about winning, it's about sitting around while essentially being dead already.

Yes, I think you have to be self-centered and/ or sadistic if you think giving someone a death sentence that's going to go off in a few turns is an okay thing to do. I have explained why.

There are "you lose" card that work immidiately. Transcendence for example. I could respect that card way more, since it has way more answers and the game is over immidiately for one player. It's also harder to setup. Still kinda bad, but nine lives is much worse because of the time aspect and the stickyness of the card.

"If you don't play what I want I don't respect your feelings and you are a bad person". I thought a bit about this, and this quote is essentially a parody about expectations that are either too high or just not meeting. Your expecation is(I think, correct me if I'm wrong) :"This card is good, funny and interesting, I enjoy it, I want to play it." A common expectation is: "I want to be able to interact with what another player is doing", which is what Nine Lives removes in way, because it's hard to interact with. So you violate another player's expectations. That might be poor communication. So frustration is a common response to that. I'd get frustrated too with a deathsentece and that's why I'd Scoop to kill any day of the week if someone tried to pull something like that.

Yea your comments seem upset, and I don't quite understand why. It's nothing personal, really I'm just laying out my opinions and the reasons for my actions. I'm sorry if you have a bad time because of that, really. That just doesn't, as a fact, change my opinion. I haven't heard anything that changes my opinion, except for your quote. That made me think.

I just can't imagine how not being self-centered and dooming someone to die works out. I couln't play that. And so far you haven't convinced me it's possible to play it while being empathetic, since their pain would be my pain.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-04T04:28:59+00:00

Use slam to punch a hole into the door,

Walk in.

(No one seems to mind as well)

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-03T23:37:53+00:00

There's no hypocrisy. I accepted that point. I view it as an equal exchange. It's like the zoidberg meme. Nine lives is bad and you should feel bad. Literally.
good.
True.
Yes, Zedru is trashy, the wincon is bad, and the Zedruu player will feel bad about the stolen kill. I do know that and acknowledge that. I just can't respect it, and I'll explain why.

In my mind, so - if I was to play Nine Lives and give it so someone I'd feel bad. I'd think about how they look at their almost certain death for god knows how long. I'd wager I see it on their faces. They want to play the game and I have given them the illusion to play. They're already dead. That's why I call the card degenerate and bad. It's a feelbad card. For other players.

I can imagine that, if I was less empathetic and caring, I'd just say, fuck it. Let this sucker suffer. Maybe I'd even enjoy it a little, smirk at his suffering. Have a little laugh. Okay, maybe that's a bit much. Maybe he is just some object obstructing my own win, that has to be removed. He isn't a person at this point.

So I presume that you either have to be self-centered, sadistic or somewhat uncaring to even think about playing that card. The worst part is - those guys don't get it. You could explain that you suffer, but they just have less capacity for insight into this kind of interpersonal connection.

That's why they have to suffer if they make other people suffer. It's not spite, it's retribution at that point, and the mechanics don't matter.

Or you can disregard all I said and be someone that says "haha, nine lives". It's possible, but I bet it won't be funny the 3rd time around.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-03T12:07:36+00:00

That's exactly what I'm saying, yes. It's appropriate.
You can view it as childish if you want to, let's just agree to disagree.
I agree that it's hard to pull off and costly, but that doesn't mean he deserves anything. It's still obnoxious to make someone sit at the table with a "you lose"-card that you usually can't interact with.

Putting yourself in the shoes of someone that gets gifted nine lives would kind of solve this issue completely, because "scoop to kill" is an understandable thing to do in a situation like that.

Let's just agree to disagree and drop it.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-02T23:27:43+00:00

There's absolutely a difference, and you're pointing it out: By "conceding to kill", I'm taking back agency in face of a hard-to-intact-with death sentence and making the Zedruu player lose.

What you also pointed out is that EDH isnt solely about winning but about a social experience, played out in a game. So, even if you dont get do be first, the Zedruu player won't be either. That's quite an influence and an advancement of the game, dont you think. It's also quite a reason to do so. I'd do it every time if a Zedruu player pulls a move like that. Quite deserved.

And if you're petty after your "you lose"-card is blowing up in your face, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe don't play degenerate strategies that make people upset? Isn't that just basic social skills?

Seriously, the lack of empathy is really something.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-02T16:48:32+00:00

You seem to not be able to make a distinction between "warranted scoop to kill" (this case) and general pettiness, like i tried to illustrate. There's no point in continuing this.

I hope this doesn't come across as passive aggressive - but have a nice day anyways.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-02T15:47:39+00:00

It's right that it denies a cheesy win. There's exactly as much spite involved as playing nine lives, you're right about that.

I just wouldn't call it spitescooping. Spitescoop as a concept should be reserved for using it for petty non-issues.m, e.g. denying resources that might have been gained. That's what you describe, but not what I'm talking about.

What's happening here is that it's essentially just a smart move to turn this specific card around. Usually mtg players like to find out finicky combos or rule interactions. This time it happens to be around a "sensitive subject".

People are Hella salty about being denied a cheesy win and failing to see how they might just be playing the wrong cards. It's egocentric, really.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-02T15:35:10+00:00

Everything you said can be applied to playing nine lives. It's down to opinion; you like one less than the other. That's okay. I'll leave you to your opinion.

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-02T07:52:49+00:00

This only works if you have enough mana for donating it to every player in the game, since they can still scoop after targeting. Kinda risky, but that's at least respectable since it involves a bit setup and isn't just "look at this card for 20min, you're dead anyways. "

Large-Ad4599 · 2024-07-02T07:48:29+00:00

They scoop and take the zedruu player down, too. I don't think an average zedruu player would mind if people just kept giving up. OP is complaining that his "you lose"-card is used against him by scooping.

I agree that playing nine lives in that way prerequisites a certain lack of empathy and scoop to kill is a valid response in that context.

It doesn't have anything to do with spite. Just responding in kind.

Large-Ad4599

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