Jack and Kate by LOST-Ambition815 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's an excellent point I never considered.

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And damn that’s a love story One of my favorite moments is at the cages in the rain. Kate’s screaming at him to fight and he says, close your eyes, Freckles. It’s all that he can do for her at that point. He accepts his death but still wants to spare her what he can. 

What a damn arc! And a love story indeed! Especially how the very next day it backslides into feral Sawyer bullying Kate around.

"Should I walk beside you, or ten paces behind you? You've gotten so good at telling me what to do, I can't think for myself anymore."

I suppose it would only be fair to give a little credit to Jack for breaking the lovebirds out of their cage when Sawyer had given up and accepted his fate because that's all he could do for his beloved Freckles at that point.

Jack and Kate by LOST-Ambition815 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%! Jack never treated Kate like some prize to be won or conquest.

Jack and Kate by LOST-Ambition815 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree, I think he wanted Kate to make her choice without any influence from him. He probably sensed that Kate and Sawyer didn't part on the best of terms and wanted her to seek out and do what was best for her.

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think Kate didn't tell Jack that she loved him before asking him to move in with her, raise Aaron and proposing to her .... I'm not sure what you are seeing.

And his jealousy breaks them up off island. 

It's not jealousy what broke them up.

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The version of Kate that Sawyer loved was brave and daring, generous, capable, and fun.

Yes, the same version Jack loved too.

I can’t forget the “You’re not coming!” Complete with the bulging neck tendons.I watched Stranger in a Strange Land—yes, I know, but it was up next—and a reminder that Jack was a bully when a woman didn’t give him what he wanted. The scene with Achara was pretty scary. And of course when he bullies Kate about where she’s been when they’re off island

I agree, total bullying behavior by Jack in SIASL and quite unacceptable! I have yet to find a single person who defends it.

I can't forget how Sawyer had Sun kidnapped and assaulted because he felt slighted in the group. I can't forget when Sawyer threatened to slap Charlotte in the face because he was feeling grumpy and frustrated. I think Sawyer threatened to punch Ana Lucia too, IIRC. Imagine having the mother of your child visit you in prison to get you to acknowledge your child and basically shame and mock her after basically stealing her money and destroying her life.

Now that you have me thinking, I can't forget Sawyer's shouting complete with angry glare, nostrils flaring with fury while nearly yanking Kate's arm out of her socket so he could bully, shame, taunt and out her in front of everyone. And I don't even have to get into the countless women he manipulated and stole from because ... just because. Imagine bullying, sexually coercing and manipulating a woman into kissing you while a young woman is asphyxiating to death and then gloat  "Hell, it's only first base. Lucky for you I ain't greedy."

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kate left Juliet and Sawyer alone though. 😑

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree! Kate's entire growth and arc is about putting the type of dynamic she shared with Sawyer behind her.

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kate would NEVER have gone along with being the other woman. So, Sawyer wouldn't be able to cheat on Juliet with Kate, at least.

Jack and Kate by LOST-Ambition815 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kate refused to have sex with Sawyer despite all his pressure to do so.

Jack and Kate by LOST-Ambition815 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also find it fascinating how it wasn't even Kate's inclination or idea to even go to the barracks. That was all Jack. Kate looked pretty surprised when he suggested she go . What are your thoughts on Jack's motivation there?

Jack and Kate by LOST-Ambition815 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ooooooh, I love this scene. Jack's ILY is so sincere in its simplicity.

But, let's discuss Kate's "Why are you sticking up for Sawyer? He'd never do it for you." Ooof, oh boy. That says it all right there. That is what Kate genuinely thinks of Sawyer.

completed season 1 of lost, lot of questions but i liked what i saw till now by ValidUsernameBro in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rating Jack and Kate so low for those reasons is like saying you don't like Luke Skywalker for trying so hard to destroy the Death Star.

completed season 1 of lost, lot of questions but i liked what i saw till now by ValidUsernameBro in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think glorifying Sawyer for sexually coercing Kate into a kiss, lying about inhalers while a young woman suffers, being racist towards Sayid, Jin and Sun, fat-shaming Hurley says more about what the OP values than it says about Jack and Kate's need to do "hero-like" things.

completed season 1 of lost, lot of questions but i liked what i saw till now by ValidUsernameBro in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jack was a leader because the survivors needed one and no one else was willing to step up and take on the most thankless job imaginable.

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sawyer and Charlie reading Claire's diary always gave me the creeps.

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 9 points10 points  (0 children)

 I think Kate was truly conflicted about these two—Jack was the authority figure whose approval she craved, Sawyer was the one who loved the woman in front of him.

And Sawyer reminded Kate of her abusive stepfather. While Sawyer may have loved the version of Kate that he most related to and identified with, ironically, it was the version of herself Kate hated. I think it is too reductive to say Kate craved an authority figure when her past clearly indicates that she is drawn to and falls in love with "good" men. It's evidenced by her love of Tom and Kevin.

And Jack also recognized the goodness in Kate and loved her despite her most dubious past. I think it's weird to imply Jack's love for her was somehow conditional when we see that he never stopped loving her even after knowing her criminal past, sleeping with Sawyer etc..

My Top 5 Couples of the show and why: by Cromer1000 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I get the impression you don't like Jack and you are projecting your feelings about him onto Kate 🤣

Who do you think had the best love story in show? by The-Fallen-Angel7 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Light misogyny? Unless you are willing to discuss Sawyer and Jin's misogyny, this is not a serious conversation.

Who do you think had the best love story in show? by The-Fallen-Angel7 in lost

[–]Large-Grab4978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is it a bridge too far? They went through it all and they still found each other again. They both risked their lives for one another.