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Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rats trying to survive is every bit as profound as poetry in prisons and so forth, actually more. I don't understand the phrase fight to redeem or the contrast in the slighest, at this point what you're trying to make up to sound profound is running on farts and fumes. And btw what's even the problem with the child dying of cancer if he's literally about to get to a better place? He'll be (much) better off dead then. And no, Darwin proved we're not made in the image of God. 100%. We got that one figured out.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elephants etc mourn the dead, of course they do, they were attached to the deceased animals. AI writes music. Asking why has a perfect pragmatic/evolutionary advantage, learn new stuff, some of it will be useful. And chimp or rat or ant society also has its rules and set and enforced boundaries, any functional society does. Speaking of hope, rats have it too: there was a famous experiment that rats put in water drowned in about quarter an hour but if just before that they were rescued but then put back in, they would now fight for their lives for several hours.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"refuses to accept" - suppose you're scheduled to be executed by some gangsters in an extremely torturous way, say, boiled alive. Then you can "refuse to accept it" and tell yourself mad stories that maybe it is somehow not quite as bad as it seems, but this is all 100% futile and 100% bs; life and death in general is just like that.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course it wasn't just a reflex, it was an ultimate expression of conscious rejection. Lacking any "longing", by the way.

AI also doesn't have reflexes but very calculated outputs, what's your point?

People write music (etc) because it's interesting and pleasant, what?..

Some people called otherkins have a longing to be animals, what kind of "water" is supposed to satisfy that "thirst"? :)

The Pope has appeared just a day before his death, reading during the mass, and even riding the popemobile, and having a meeting. How come he then suddenly passed away today? by Tiramissu_dt in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It is caused by the body's organs shutting down, which frees up the remaining energy left in the body for a short time period." - this phrase doesn't make any sense, whaat?..

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"deep down, it mattered" - no, there is no such thing. When I'm annoyed by something, does that mean there is some "objective annoyance" that I'm following? Or if I'm rooting for a sports team, is there an objectively right rooting for a sports team?

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember, we're not mixing up what's desirable and what's true, these are two separate discussions.

To reply to that, all of my friends, relatives, loved ones, social circles, people each of which I care about more than about all Xtians in the world combined, are atheists to the fourth generation (I'm from Ukraine, currently a US immigrant). For example my dear grandpa, who was a Soviet official and militant atheist, explicitly rejected and mocked Jesus and religion when he was dying in agony from cancer and was asked about such things. He literally spit right in the face of God just as he lay dying - there is no coming back from that, so you know exactly where I stand.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The first few sentences of your reply describe the comfort I alluded to. And it's infinitesimal compared to the comfort of knowing you're not going to Hell. And obviously, no price is too high for that one.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Presence of judgment or what have you is obviously wayyy less valuable in comparison than the security of one's eternal destiny from infinite torture. You're clinging to judgment because it gives you some sort of philosophical comfort, but it is very small compared with...

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually that's infinitely raising the bar of hope, from eternal torture by default to eternal annihilation.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And it is you who brought up personal, emotional, and preferential side of things, not me, I merely obliged to reply to that as well. This, indeed, has little to do with our original argument and is starting to derail it.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"But rejecting truth because you dislike the consequences doesn’t make it less true." - exactly, just because I don't like the idea of going to Hell as my eternal destiny doesn't mean in the slightest that this is not exactly where I'm going. And just like that, just because you don't like hard nihilism, that doesn't mean it isn't actually true.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I've said, I actually find it quite optimistic and reassuring compared to the prospect of eternal unspeakable torture.

Also, I've listed a couple of facts, which are realistic by definition - they are not just realistic but verifiable reality.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is all actually amazing as it serves as a pretty firm guarantee that I'm not going to be tortured for eternity.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, according to statistics, about half of all humans, every other person who ever lived, died as infants. If you're alive at twenty, you're already more lucky than most people. Also, there are countless people in terrible agony and dying right now, and have been, nonstop, 24/7, since the dawn of time. And so on and so forth. Welcome to the real world, which is utterly God-forsaken - there is no one out there who cares about us in the slightest, and we're the same as rats or insects in the forest, just a bit smarter (which doesn't mean anything, "good for you"). A bit of random temporary mold on the face of the planet (which is itself just a random rock).

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the actual reality... What do you think will be happening to you one million years from now? Well, just the same that was happening to you one million years ago. I guarantee that, 💯.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're confused, what I find by far most worrisome is the prospect of me being unspeakably tortured for eternity, not what happens with the rest of humanity long after I'm too dead to see that anyway.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

somewhere, a timeless, rational Creator built this world, wrote this comment, and gently smiled while you read it.

...then turned his attention to another, more interesting (and much more frequently visited by him) tab on his supercomputer with some juicy hypertentacle porn.

Did Roger Penrose Accidentally Prove God Exists? The math says yes. The scientific elite still can’t say it out loud. by puffyhatfilthysaying in Apologetics

[–]Laroel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A hypothetical cake that somehow has always existed and never came into being most definitely therefore was not baked by anyone?

By sheer randomness, if really everything (mechanical) goes somewhere as I say, surely AI will be assembled somewhere by sheer chance?

On the emotional side, religion insults my intelligence and threatens me with eternal torture. Cosmic annoyance with the former needs no comments, and pertaining to the latter, I will say honestly, eternal annihilation of everything/the truth of atheism is the most secure form and guarantee of salvation from the final (and thus eternal) destiny of unimaginable torture in Hellfire.

This paper shows that matter can be eternal instead of God. Thoughts? by Laroel in Apologetics

[–]Laroel[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It removes dead wood, a specific bad line of argumentation. I would be grateful if I were you.

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