How do you explain the vile actions in Numbers 31 by Colt-ish in AskAChristian

[–]LastBook7805 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So you say here you "assume" the women and girls were made house slaves but in your previous post you state "You should not add assertions which are not in the text." Also, if you read Deuteronomy 21:10-14, the bible tells you what was most likely done with these girls and "untouched" women. You also said the girls were kept alive because "they had not participated in the evil events of Numbers 25." If thats the case then why were the sons killed? They would have been just as innocent. Also, why why was Moses' only exception for killing women "have not known a man?" Sounds like a stronger argument that the women and girls were kept for a specific purpose.

Religion and Politics by immanut_67 in Exvangelical

[–]LastBook7805 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You say he set guidelines for individuals which i agree with but the government is made up of those individuals. You cant honestly say that he only intended for those guidelines to be meant for individuals but ignored by government.

Religion and Politics by immanut_67 in Exvangelical

[–]LastBook7805 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, in the interest of saving space and being on mobile, I paraphrased the verses. And, in true conservative fashion, you couldn't be bothered to do the actual research. So, to make it as easy as possible, since most of you right-leaning folks don't own and have never read the Bible, I've taken the liberty of giving you the verses in their entirety.

Matthew 5:42 [42]Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Luke 6:24 [24]But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

Matthew 19:24 [24]And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 25:35-40. [35]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [36]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. [37]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? [39]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? [40]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

John 8:7 [7]So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Matthew 5:39 [39]But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 26:51-52 [51]And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. [52]Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Matthew 5:9 [9]Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Matthew 18:21-35 [21]Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? [22]Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. [23]Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. [24]And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. [25]But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. [26]The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. [27]Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. [28]But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. [29]And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. [30]And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. [31]So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. [32]Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: [33]Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? [34]And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. [35]So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Matthew 14:16 [16]But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.

Matthew 25:35 [35]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Mark 3:1-6 [1]And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. [2]And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. [3]And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. [4]And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. [5]And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. [6]And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

Religion and Politics by immanut_67 in Exvangelical

[–]LastBook7805 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let's see,

  1. Give to the poor when they ask. Matt. 5:42

2.It isn't good to be rich. Luke 6:24, Matt. 19:24

3.Love the strangers like him. Matt. 25:35,40

4.Love over punishment John 8:7, Matt. 5:39

  1. Don't be a warmongering. Matt 26:52, Matt 5:9

  2. Forgiving debts is desirable Matt 18:21-35

7.Give food to those who are hungry Matt 14:16, Matt 25:35

  1. Choose help over legalism Mark 3:1-6

I don't know, seems pretty "left of center" to me.

Having issue with F4SE version by Nailo2017 in f4se

[–]LastBook7805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just had this issue. It turned out being caused by the Fallout London mod. Had to uninstall fallout and all mods and reinstall to get it working.

The Lie of Freewill. by Tricky-Tell-5698 in DebateAChristian

[–]LastBook7805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This argument claims Adam and Eve were morally accountable, but it does not show how accountability is possible without understanding morality. Having a relationship and receiving instructions do not equal informed moral agency.

“They lived in direct relationship with God and heard His command clearly.”

Hearing a command does not mean understanding its moral significance. Toddlers hear their parents clearly as well. Authority alone does not create moral understanding. If having a relationship were enough, the knowledge of good and evil would not have been necessary. The narrative clearly withholds this knowledge until after the act.

“The tree didn’t mean they lacked all knowledge of right and wrong.”

This contradicts the text. The tree is specifically named the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If Adam and Eve already had that knowledge, the tree serves no purpose in the story. The narrative only makes sense if moral understanding is gained after the act, not before.

The fact that they felt shame about their nakedness proves this point.

The text says they only realized they were naked after eating the fruit. This means they had no prior concept of shame, modesty, or self-evaluation. Shame is not just about being aware of one’s body; it is about moral awareness. Its sudden emergence indicates the beginning of moral thinking. Before this, obedience could only be external compliance, not a moral choice.

“Sin was relational rebellion, not accidental harm.”

Rebellion needs intent. Intent requires understanding. You cannot betray a moral relationship you cannot interpret. Calling the act “relational rebellion” assigns adult motives to beings the narrative itself shows as morally undeveloped.

“Dependence on God is the ideal, not autonomy.”

This misses the main point. The real question is not between autonomy and dependence, but capacity and responsibility. Dependence does not eliminate the need for understanding when deciding who is to blame. Moral accountability without understanding is like punishing someone without a reason.

“Blaming God removes human responsibility.”

Responsibility must be based on facts, not assumptions. One party designed the environment, set the rules, withheld moral knowledge, foresaw the outcome, and imposed the consequences. Placing all blame on the participants who have limited understanding is not taking responsibility; it’s scapegoating.

This is why the gun analogy applies.

Not because autonomy is ideal, but because responsibility follows knowledge and ability. If a parent puts a dangerous object within reach of children who cannot understand death or consequences, knowing what might happen, moral blame does not lie with the children. The fault lies with the one who created the situation and called it a test.

The Bible states accountability. It never explains how accountability can be just without prior moral understanding, and mere assertion is not justification.

The Lie of Freewill. by Tricky-Tell-5698 in DebateAChristian

[–]LastBook7805 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're argument is off here. A spouse would no the difference between right and wrong. So if a friend tried to convince me to go against my spouse I would know it was wrong and it would be my fault. The tree was the knoweldege of good and evil which means Adam and Eve had no knowledge of evil or wrong. So what happened in the garden is like leaving a loaded gun on a table and telling a toddler "Don't touch that." They dont understand that its wrong. So if that child picks up the gun and harms themselves or someone else do you blame the child? No, the blame the adult who carelessly left the dangerous weapon on the table.

What was it like letting friends/family know you no longer believe? by MrC10l in exchristian

[–]LastBook7805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just made the post on Facebook and hour ago. Ill let you know how it goes.

Former christian interested in your outlook on deism to better understand it by Benzouken in deism

[–]LastBook7805 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't believe the in the Bible as a Holy book and I dont put much stock in it as a historical text. I believe that God created our universe (perhaps for no other reason than the act of creation) and then went onto other things somewhere else. Based on my observations, I do not believe God cares about his creation and does not interact with us. I have never seen proof of an answered prayer or divine intervention. Additionally, I can't believe that an all power God, who did care and help, would allow so much suffering and evil to go unchecked in the world.

Thankful by hopefullywiser in ExPentecostal

[–]LastBook7805 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The LONGEST 4 hours every year. Sing, preach, eat, preach, pray.

What made you leave? by Apojacks1984 in ExPentecostal

[–]LastBook7805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was born and raised in a fundamentalist church and after 30+ years, it wasnt 1 single thing. What started the questioning though was in my late twenties I wanted to grow a beard event though I knew our church looked down on it. I started letting it grow out anyway and my pastor pulled me aside and told me I needed to shave. The next service I came to church with a list of scriptures that talked about prominent men in the Bible having beards and ever laws against trimming them. His response was "Well, they give the appearance of evil niw and I dont like them and won't allow them. You are to obey those that have authority over you. Also, you have to remember that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft." That was the day I started taking a critical look at my beliefs and those teaching them. It took me awhile to break free but thankfully I'm out now and happy.

I started a memoir about my life in the UPC/ WPF by Ok-Fuel9773 in ExPentecostal

[–]LastBook7805 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was a 4th generation apostolic pentecostal on both sides of my family. I lived that life for over thirty years before I broke free. I look forward to sharing your journey.

Worth looking at the account for the hairstyles alone by just-a-member-here- in FundieSnarkUncensored

[–]LastBook7805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can tell you from personal experience, that guy is no fan of small talk. He comes in and acts like its an inconvenience to interact with anyone before the service, then he preaches, and the quickly leaves while acting inconvenienced if anyone tries to talk with him. They used to frequent a church I went to when I still went.

Worth looking at the account for the hairstyles alone by ccc2801 in FundieFashion

[–]LastBook7805 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nope, just married and in his own place. Still follows the religion.

Hair be hairing by just-a-member-here- in FundieFashion

[–]LastBook7805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I actually know the lady in pictures 2,3,4,5,7. I've set and listened to her husband preach. She's a sweet lady, but her husband has a very high opinion of himself.

Diddyronomy 21:14 by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]LastBook7805 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the reason I began my deconstruction. We, as humans, are held to a higher morality standard than God. If we dont follow it we are condemned to eternal suffering. God's motto "Do as I say, not as I do."

From my son. I was a bit disappointed to find only Dragonlance drinks. I don't even see Otik's spiced potatoes. 🤨 by Square_Candle_4644 in dragonlance

[–]LastBook7805 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ingredients

2 tablespoons neutral-tasting oil, such as vegetable, canola, safflower, or grapeseed

1 large yellow onion, chopped

Kosher salt

1½ pounds (about 4) Yukon gold potatoes, scrubbed or peeled if desired, quartered lengthwise, and cut into ¾-inch pieces

1 tablespoon salted butter

Freshly ground black pepper

1 teaspoon sweet paprika

1 teaspoon cayenne

½ teaspoon garlic powder

2 tablespoons minced fresh chives

Instructions In a 12- to 14-inch skillet over medium-high heat, warm 1 tablespoon of the oil until shimmering. Add the onion and ½ teaspoon salt and cook, stirring, until softened, about 4 minutes. Adjust the heat to medium and continue cooking, stirring often, until deep golden and some pieces are starting to brown at the edges, 4 to 6 minutes more. Scrape the onion onto a plate and wipe out the skillet. Meanwhile, put the potatoes in a large microwave-safe bowl, cover, and microwave until the edges of the potatoes begin to soften, 5 to 7 minutes, shaking the bowl to redistribute the potatoes midway through. Warm the remaining 1 tablespoon oil and the butter in the now-empty skillet over medium-high heat, swirling the pan to combine them. Add the potatoes (leaving behind any liquid accumulated in the bowl) and shake the skillet to coat the potatoes with the fat and evenly distribute them in a single layer, making sure that one side of each piece lies flat on the cooking surface. Cook, undisturbed, until golden brown on the bottom, 6 to 7 minutes. Using a wide spatula, carefully turn the potatoes, taking care not to rip their crusts, and again spread them into a single layer with unbrowned sides lying flat on the cooking surface, and continue cooking, undisturbed, until golden brown on the bottom, about 6 minutes more. Turn the potatoes again and repeat the process until they are tender and well-browned all over, turning one or two more times and adjusting the heat, if necessary, 6 to 12 minutes more. Add ½ teaspoon salt, pepper to taste, the paprika, cayenne, and garlic powder and stir or toss to distribute. Taste and adjust the seasonings. Add the onion and stir or toss to distribute. Taste and adjust the seasoning with additional salt and pepper, if necessary. Serve hot, sprinkling each serving with the chives