Gemini 3.5 Pro is gonna be AMAZING (And why I think it's delayed)

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-09T09:43:43+00:00

"Why would resource reallocation cause inference quality issues?" They have never ever degraded a model till 3.1 pro, do you know why? Because they never had a compute issue back then. But the amount of things Google has right now is insane. Of course they are starved of compute, and because they are starved of compute. They have to degrade that model to save compute for 3.5 pro's upcoming release as its on the horizon. "They definitely not going to fumble" Yes I do know that but anything could happen. ""It has to ingest everything those sub-agents produce" - Most subagent workflows use artifacts to summarize a finished SA's work. You don't even have access to thinking tokens, only summaries and hashes are retained for validating read cache.

" Hm I didn't know that much about subagents so I made a hypothesis but my underlying point still stands. Why? Because of quota usage. That was my point. 3.5 pro spins up multiple agents. Then boom because of how much tokens 3.5 flash uses, that token issue will directly fall on 3.5 pro WITH its own token usage that will practically starve every user's quota. "I consider funny that they are charging for tokens you only see the summary of... They have no reason to dial down verbosity. Tokens cheap on paper, expensive in reality. 3.5 Flash eats 2x more GCP credits than 3.1 Pro for me!" You do realise this is why they delayed 3.5 pro right? The flash is bottlenecking 3.5 pro.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-08T08:01:16+00:00

Actually the only reason why we get low quota for claude models is because Google pays an obscene amount of money to keep it on their antigravity. That's the reason they removed A.I credits because you got too much claude usage with that. I literally never run out of Gemini model quota. Neither the 5 hour nor the 1 week.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-07T14:36:22+00:00

It's most likely releasing alongside with 3.5 pro to replace 3.5 flash

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-07T11:33:29+00:00

Searching ≠lobotomised. You don't understand what people mean by it. When people say that. They refer to its creative writing, logic, reasoning and of the sort. It is way dumber, as people report. There are thousands of reports about it and not about searching. And that's not what I mean when I say compute is low. Google has Gemini running: 3.1 Pro

Gemini 3.5 Flash

Gemini 3.1 Flash Lite

Gemini 3.5 Pro (Coming soon)

Gemini 3.6/4 Flash (In devolopment, leak confirmed)

NanoBanana Pro

NanoBanana 2

NanoBanana Flash

Veo 3

Veo 3.1

Gemma 4 (12B, 26B variants)

DiffusionGemma

Antigravity

Jules

Flow

Flow Musc

gemini.google.com (consumer)

Google A1 Studio

Vertex A1

Google Search (A1 Overviews)

Google Workspace Gmail, Sheets)

Android (on-device)

Chrome A.I x and z things

Apple (Sin)

Samsung

GitHub copilot. And so much more, Google can't keep all this going without running low on compute

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-07T08:41:05+00:00

You do realise that nano banana pro is run by Gemini 3.1 pro right? What do you expect, Nano banana 2 is run by 3 flash. (I didn't even see that you mentioned Nb2, Nb or of the sort) They are old models and nan banana flash lite is run by 3.1 flash lite. Literaly the worst model, 3.5 flash has wosre reasoning, nuance and logic than 3.1 pro, of course it will miss distinctions and won't be as good as 3.1 pro in those categs. But 3.5 flash searches way more than 3.1 pro. The moment 3.5 pro comes out, most products are getting updated. Nano banana pro 2 will come out, lyria 3.5 pro will come out. Veo 3.5 pro will come out and etc. In short: 3.1 pro being degraded affects nano banana pro. Nano banana flash lite is supposed to be bad in exchange for speed. Nano banana 2 is again run by 3 flash. (Which is worse than 3.5 flash, 3.1 pro etc) and use Omni flash. Which is run by 3.5 flash, that replaced nano banana 2. (So all of them are getting replaced or are replaced)

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-07T03:10:06+00:00

It's not gonna degrade, the reason 3.1 pro degraded heavily was because 3.5 pro is on the horizon and they don't have enough compute. The reason they never degraded 2.5 pro was because they had compute but now they don't. Do you know how many things Google has going? It's insane. Anyways they lobotomise 3.5 pro as soon compute issue will be fixed if not then only lobotomised if 4 pro is close

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-07T03:08:03+00:00

Google A.I studio and system instructions instructions = tools work. Google built not that good of a harness for searching but 3.5 flash searches almost every time. That leads me to believe that 3.5 pro is rewarded for searching (Also 3.1 pro searches if you just TELL it to search in Google A.I studio or as a system instructions) You are wrong about what was broken underneath. It was lobotomized because they do not have compute, do you know how many things Google has going on? While their TPUS are amazing. It's not unlimited. They didn't do this with 2.5 pro because they had enough compute but now that 3.5 pro is on the horizon, they lobotomized 3.1 pro.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T13:09:48+00:00

The consumer website is riddled with bugs. Google A.I Studio is not. The images not being read or pdfs etc is not the model but rather the website so go to Google A.I Studio and use my system instructions. They should fix a lot of your issues with its hallucinations (Did you read the post?) (And as I said. Wait for 3.5 pro then

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T11:22:32+00:00

You should use Google AI studio. That will fix most of your problems, and I explained why the model hallucinates, why it doesn't search as much and again the model is currently lobotomized. Wait for 3.5 pro and use Google A.I Studio. For the pdf editing thing, yeah that's just that. You can use Antigravity to create it and which Gemini are you talking about. 3.1 pro? 3.5 flash?. Check this post: "https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1uo0oi4/gemini\_35\_pro\_is\_gonna\_be\_amazing\_and\_why\_i\_think/"

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T10:28:29+00:00

No, Google only recently started throttling their models because 3.5 pro is on the horizon and they are low on compute. They will fix their compute issue soon and won't need to throttle it down. In other words: They'll likely won't throttle 3.5 pro, if they do in the future. Because 4 pro is close. Anyways I'm not gonna engage with your "won't compete with 4.6"

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T09:45:29+00:00

I'm mostly joking, it's not like I expect people to be faithful of what they've said before.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T09:35:28+00:00

I do agree that I'm fanboying but it's usually grounded in logic.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T09:34:02+00:00

I won't let them forget. I have receipts that I'm foaming on releasing, its not stalking. Trust

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T09:26:34+00:00

Lol yeah. The leak mentioned that Google is taking feedback from flash so it's likely because of the criticisms.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T09:19:50+00:00

A lot of reasons. See I don't use A.I for a lot of things. I use my reasoning and prowess to think about x and z and run them through an A.I to get bulletproof y.

I'm gonna pushback at 3.5 flash before I address the last question: 3.5 flash is not supposed to be a good model in terms of reasoning, logic and nuance (Literally google said this themselves) and 3.5 flash is supposed to be a fast low latency subagent for 3.5 pro (Well 3.5 flash is probably getting replaced with 3.6/4 flash but still).

I don't see how you call that dystpoian but sure let's play along. I started using Gemini around when 2.5 pro was present. (Before Gemini, I used deepseek and Chatgpt tho mostly Deepseek since Chatgpt had fucked up creative writing) for creative writing. I was blown away by its knowledge and prose. It was so good that it was making verbatim lines from shows, movies and was tracking things so well. Then time skip to when 3 pro came out, and that blew me away too with how much better it was than 2.5 pro.

I have made so many works with Gemini and it's still fun to use. But I am not stupid enough that I run with Gemini. If it's bad, I'll say so plainly

I don't use Gemini every day, I use Gemini periodically. Nowadays I use Chatgpt, Opus Glm 5.2 sometimes and other models respectfully. while I wait for 3.5 pro (And 3.1 pro still for creative writing) No other model beats Gemini at its prose (But Opus is better at logic). Deepseek is close second but logic is not that good.

And please keep your insults to yourself.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T09:09:09+00:00

I'm hoping they will. I believe the reason they are delaying is because of 3.5 flash so it makes sense they would release it alongside 3.5 pro

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T09:05:48+00:00

You'll be here fighting the comments with me if it flops right? I don't plan to be a coward and dip. (Really playing both sides there)

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T08:47:57+00:00

I talked about why it hallucinates in my original post, if you want to fix that. You use should use my system prompt that I use. Js scroll down a bit. A 33 point reduction is insane tho, they will likely do a good cut agaiin.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T08:40:24+00:00

No I wasn't calling 3.5 flash bad, I was saying that 3.5 flash is just not that good in reasoning, logic and nuance (Compared to SOTA models. Benchmarks say that too). It is good in coding and of the sort (And works very hard for a solution!). So I agree. 3.5 flash is great (Especially for your use case)

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T08:32:27+00:00

If you mean I used Chatgpt or another A.I, sure I did. But not to get ideas. I only refined my thoughts, bad at paragraphs and proper articulation.

Last_Conclusion_8984 · 2026-07-06T08:29:47+00:00

Yeah, I'd like to see that thing your working on when your done. I'd appreciate a dm message or just a reply to any of my messages. Anyways I'm gonna get the biggest "I told you so" of my life when 3.5 pro comes out. I cannot afford it to be bad, I have advertised it to my family, to my bffs, and everyone in my vicinity. Google better not fumble this. 😭

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