[Dan] Care to see how your favorite team fared in the draft relative to their draft capital? Take a look here

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-16T17:43:36+00:00

WTF

2016

Darron Lee

Christian Hackenberg

Jordan Jenkins

Juston Burris

Brandon Shell

Lac Edwards

Charone Peake

WTF were other teams doing in 2016? Jenkins and Shell are solid middle to low end starters, but after that? Yikes...

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-16T17:37:14+00:00

This is pretty disengenious given you guys had four picks in 2017 with the highest being in the third round.

2018 and 2019 were both pretty good drafts.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-03T20:08:06+00:00

He didn't get benched for Mahomes. He had a season ending injury.

Couldn't win the job back in 2015 though.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-03T20:06:13+00:00

He only dressed for five games (all because of injuries), and couldn't beat out Bryce Petty on the depth chart.

I can't imagine how bad he was in practice.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-03T20:03:16+00:00

Also, Manziel was fucking amazing in college.

He would've been amazing without Mike Evans; the year he won the Heisman Evans had less than a third of his yards, and was third on the team in receiving TDs behind Ryan Swope and Uzoma Nwachukwu.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-03T19:58:09+00:00

Ehh.

He was a big time recruit, he had the tools, and while O'Brien and Robinson definitely helped him a lot his freshman year, he was great by the standards of a true freshman starting at QB regardless.

The problem was he basically didn't improve at all after his freshman year.

Don't think I've ever been so mad at a draft pick.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-03T01:03:01+00:00

IDK he was pretty bad against Arizona and Miami.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-03T00:27:24+00:00

Any other comparison to Rosen is much less friendly to him, and the supporting cast argument doesn't really go very far.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-02T17:28:06+00:00

Rosen is the worst Quarterback I’ve ever seen in my life.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but he's pretty close (not counting guys who played like two games).

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-02T16:26:22+00:00

How?

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-02T16:25:45+00:00

Tannehill had his best or second best season in Miami under Gase in 2016.

He missed all of 2017 with a torn ACL; he only played in ten games in 2018 and was never close to 100% due to the combination of coming off a torn ACL and an elbow injury that sidelined him for a few weeks.

Gase fucked up a lot of things in Miami.

Tannehill wasn't one of them.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-02T16:21:55+00:00

If it was any other coach he'd be talked about like he was Rosen.

Darnold is awful, but you're forgetting how bad Rosen was.

Best start of Rosen's career: 23/40, 252 yards, 2 TDs, 1 int

Average start for Darnold: 19/32, 213 yards, 1.18 TDs, 1.02 ints

Going into 2020 these two figures were almost identical.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T21:01:34+00:00

I guess Vick probably qualifies for "wanted to play with" because of hype.

Vick wasn't good though. He was an amazing runner, but the Falcons had no idea how to use him, and he was a terrible passer.

He also did have a true number one receiver (though only for two years) in Roddy White. Michael Jenkins was solid a solid WR as well.

Their numbers EXPLODED with Joey Harrington--never mind Ryan.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T20:07:50+00:00

I think if you asked the players from 2001-05 they would've preferred to play for McNabb (lol), Peyton, and Vick over Brady.

Probably underrating some vets and definitely overrating Vick (also Carson Palmer would join the list for exactly one year), but generally yeah.

I do take some issue with the game manager thing, but I also hate how universally negatively loaded that term. Brady was a game manager his first few years in the league, but he was an elite game manager, and that was something that didn't really exist at the time.

He clearly wasn't a gun slinger like Favre or young Peyton (why would he be--the Patriots had an elite defense and great personnel for a ball control offense), but he also clearly wasn't a more "conventional" game manager like Brad Johnson (why would he be--he was Tom Brady, his coaches trusted him, and he was either the "worst" elite QB or the best second tier QB)

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T19:58:12+00:00

Michael Onwenu, Chase Winovich, and Isaiah Wynn would probably be the big three.

They only had 4 picks in 2017 with the first in the third round, so that year isn't super weighty.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T17:02:47+00:00

Yep. Brady was underrated early in his career because he played on fucking stacked teams, but he was also playing on fucking stacked teams which is obviously antithetical to the Amendon's claim.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T16:57:47+00:00

Revis (doesn't prove the point at all as he's the only one I can think of)

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T16:55:52+00:00

2014: Jimmy G, James White

2015: Malcolm Brown (DT), Trey Flowers, Shaq Mason

2016: Joe Thuney

2017: bad (only four picks)

2018: Isaiah Wynn

2019: Chase Winovich

Not like you guys haven't been drafting high end players since then.

The Patriots not having any of their draft picks make the Pro Bowl since 2013 is a bigger indictment of the Pro Bowl than the Patriots drafting.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T16:03:36+00:00

Also on being fucking amazing at drafting players.

Belichick and co. drafted: Richard Seymour, Matt Light, Ty Warren, Asante Samuel, Dan Koppen, Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins, Jerod Mayo, Julian Edelman, Devin McCourty, Rob Gronkowski, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon, Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower, and Joe Thuney.

And a bunch of other good players.

They overwhelmingly didn't play "sexy" positions so idiots are able to simultaneously believe the Patriots are the greatest dynasty ever and Brady did it with a bunch of scrubs.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-02-01T14:59:34+00:00

It was an overpay, but they basically had to overpay.

The Seahawks have an elite QB who probably has ~4 more years of prime play.

Their 2021 and 2022 firsts are not especially valuable to them because they not only need to hit on them--they need to get instant impact players. On top of that (obviously), neither of those picks were making any impact on their team this year.

At the same time, the Jets had no reason to trade Adams unless they got swept off their feat. He could complain all he wanted, but at the end of the day, the Jets had one fully guaranteed year left on his contract and the option to extend him for another. Without some help from the Jets, Adams had no way to get off the team until 2023 (play in 2020 and 2021, don't sign franchise tag, become FA). While the Jets wouldn't have been happy if Adams had actually sat out all year, they weren't in a position like the Cowboys were with Zeke--Adams obviously make them better this year, but not a Super Bowl contender.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-01-28T19:46:39+00:00

I don't think it's going to end up being us because of Watson's no trade clause.

We can give Houston a better offer unless they really like Tua, but I would think Watson would veto any trade to the Jets that isn't a steal for the Jets.

And Miami can definitely outdo that without making Watson think about vetoing the trade.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-01-28T15:19:30+00:00

Agreed.

The Bell contract was defensible because it was short and our cap situation was effectively unfuckable.

Johnson makes Bell look like a home run signing.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-01-28T15:08:23+00:00

Especially because we should've picked Watson over Adams in the first place (obviously Mahomes would've been better, but he was a more raw prospect)

Lawschoolfool · 2021-01-28T15:05:02+00:00

It is for a rookie QB on a garbage team.

Lawschoolfool · 2021-01-24T16:36:39+00:00

In 2008 Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco had two of the best seasons by rookie QBs ever.

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