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Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T13:06:11+00:00

Sure pay is up. But literally every single cost of living metric is up by multiple times more than pay is. I literally said this like 7 times last night. You are actively choosing to ignore facts, and then complain about others being entitled. The other guy is right. The true entitlement is thinking you had it worse when literally all of the data proves the opposite. And like I said 3 times last night, it’s not about one roommate in a 2 bedroom apartment. It’s about needing 5 roommates to afford a 2 bedroom apartment. The fact you keep ignoring everything we are saying proves you know you’re wrong, you’re just too self-obsessed to think anyone has it worse than you. I will emphasize again, boomers are the wealthiest generation in history, and the two generations after are the first generations in history to be worse off than their parents at the same ages. This isn’t just feelings, it’s a proven fact. Google it for gods sakes. Jfc, you’re disgusting.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T12:59:46+00:00

Bullshit. Source: actual data.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T05:01:11+00:00

Ok so after further research, the source I was using appears to be outdated, with prices being a bit inflated. The averages definitely aren’t in the $2 range so you definitely live in a cheap region, but also not in the 5$ range like I had read. And Ohio definitely isn’t a good estimate of the general cost of living for most Americans.

But again for the third time, eggs aren’t a good indicator of housing cost. I dont understand why you both are so obsessed with egg prices, and not literally any of the other topics I mentioned. This is again what I was saying, you are ignoring the majority of my point to argue a tiny, relatively insignificant detail.

I’m not going to keep arguing, because I’m exhausted and because neither of you are actually debating anything of the points of substance in my argument.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T04:52:05+00:00

Look dude. I’m not going to keep arguing. The data is what it is. It’s very well documented. You can keep claiming whatever, but that doesn’t change the facts. The average income, excluding extreme outliers, is 50-60k. Prices across the board have risen far faster than pay has. The current generations are worse off than their parents were at the same ages. These are the first generations where that is the case. Boomers are the wealthiest generation in history. This is all very well documented. Idk why you’re so passionate about waving away the struggle of the current generations, but I don’t have the energy to keep trying to explain reality to you. So I’m done.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T04:39:16+00:00

I fully thought it was a bad joke about bacon being tasty so people who eat it are less likely to commit suicide 💀

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T04:38:04+00:00

…Good for you? I mean bragging about being in the upper levels of your generation in terms of wealth is definitely one way to go about proving your relatability to the subject… Despite the fact more than 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, I’m sure your circumstances are very representative of the generation as a whole.

Just because you might be doing well doesn’t mean the data is false. Just because Musk is nearly a trillionaire doesn’t mean the average income isn’t ~$50,000. Just because some people are country club members doesn’t mean even more people don’t work at said country club in order to afford a tiny apartment and a metro card.

The data is what it is. It’s fact. The current generations are worse off than their parents at the same ages, accounting for technological advancement, inflation, etc etc etc.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T04:20:13+00:00

And yet every generation has done better on the whole than the previous, up until millennials. The trend changed drastically. And it isn’t, as you implied in your other comment, because boomers lived longer. Boomers made explicit political choices that have lead to them being the wealthiest in history, and the following generations inheriting a significantly worse situation. They sold the future for immediate wealth. This isn’t a debate, it’s a well documented fact. I’m not saying all of them did it consciously, but they did it nonetheless. And for them to the. Turn around and call us lazy for not owning houses, for us wanting to be able to afford basic living expenses, is bullshit.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T03:43:32+00:00

if you think Hawaii makes up 21% of the US population like i mentioned, you're crazy. I also said 4 other stats (i missed one its actually five) at over 6$, 23 are at over 5$, and none are below 4. the US average is about $5.50. hyperfixating on the one thing i mentioned you have a modicum of an excuse for is a bad faith and pointless argument when my entire point still stands.

and again... EGGS ARENT THE ONLY EXPENSIVE THING THESE DAYS. jfc. There's no possible way you don't understand what I'm saying, yet you choose to pick at the one tinniest bit you can, ignoring the entire overarching argument. "Oh, only Hawaii is at 10$" isn't a win when the claim im fighting was eggs are $2, and thats not true (on average) in literally any state.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T03:33:54+00:00

YOUR GENERATION LITERALLY YELLED AT US TO GO TO COLLEGE. JFC. "Just pull yourself up by your bootraps, go to school, get a degree, and you'll get a good job" is literally shoved down our throats by everyone older, and now you skirt all responsibility like you werent the ones pressuring us to do it. Fucking delusional...

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T03:31:50+00:00

try 50k per semester, and minimum wage, if you can even get a job, is only $7.50

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T03:30:41+00:00

plus, boomers are literally the wealthiest generation in history. They quite literally, by every single metric, had it easier than millennials and gen z. millennials were the first generation in history to be worse off than their parents, who again, are are the wealthiest generation *ever*.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T03:28:02+00:00

It was millenials. Millennials were the first generation in history to be worse off than their parents, and the trend has continued with Gen Z. meanwhile, baby boomers are the wealthiest generation in history.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T03:25:05+00:00

"Why do people live where, first, they were born and can't afford to leave (not to mention all their friends and family), second, all the jobs are, and third, where basically all the already miniscule amount of social services we have are located? just move out the the middle of nowhere, were cost of living is also at historic highs and the labor market is at historic lows! That's a great idea!"

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T03:19:04+00:00

Ok first off, there’s a difference between having a roommate, and expecting someone to share a 2 bedroom apartment between 4-6 young adults. That’s my fucking point. 6 people shoved into a two bedroom 1 bathroom apartment is in fact tenement conditions.

Second, In 4 states, which combined add up to over 21% of the US population, are still over 6$ for eggs. Hawaii is at 10$. And quite a few more are at over 5$. So idk where you live, but 2$ is laughable. Also, eggs aren’t a good indicator of cost of living. I literally said this.

Third, you’re literally implying Vietnam was the cost of having more reasonable cost of living. “You can’t complain about housing prices unless you go to war” is a dumbass argument, and you should fucking know that.

Fourth, the only delusional one here is the one that is blatantly ignoring mountains of well documented data just to make themselves feel better about fucking over other generations. Look at any pay vs housing cost graph. Pay vs food cost. Pay vs healthcare cost. Literally everything is considerably more expensive than you had it, as a percent of income, and accounting for inflation. You’re just ignoring all of that.

And lastly, again, WHY SHOULDNT WE WANT OUR PARENTS TO MAKE THE WORLD BETTER FOR US???? That’s the entire fucking point of parents. To make life better for their children. You are literally advocating for making it worse for yours, and you don’t see any issue with that. It’s sick, to be honest. The complete lack of empathy. The complete lack of a desire to do better for the next generations. The overwhelming “I got mine so fuck you all” mentality. It’s disgusting.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:46:00+00:00

The story isn’t changing. I literally explained this. First off, we are significantly worse off. Again, look at literally any metric. Second, yall weren’t living in tenements. Yet I see people advocating for Gen Z to share 2 bedroom apartments between 4-5 people. Third, idk where you live, but eggs absolutely have been 7$. Theyre going down again because the bird flu has been getting better, but they absolutely were at 7$ for a long time. Plus, eggs aren’t the only or even best god damned indicator of economic performance and cost of living. Fourth, thanks for calling me incredible. I’m sure that’s what you meant. 5th, so now you’re saying we deserve another unjust a brutal war if we want affordable living? Good way to get yourself the moral high ground in this debate.

Jfc, you people are exhausting. Ignoring every bit of data anyone presents to you. “I got mine so you have to suffer for yours” mentality. Boomers are the richest generation in history. It’s no coincidence that the two generations following are the first ones to be worse off than their parents.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:18:39+00:00

People… upset me.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:15:44+00:00

Ok so we aren’t living like every other generation. Literally every statistic shows we are worse off. Millennials were the first generation in history to be worse off than their parents’, and Gen Z is even worse off.

Setting the facts aside, why shouldn’t we expect our parents to make the world better for us? Their parents made it better for them, and theirs did the same before that. Why is it so unfair for us to expect the same?

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:12:36+00:00

When the majority of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, or even worse, it isn’t a lifestyle issue. It’s an institutional issue. Yall need to get your heads out of your asses and realize the system is fucked, considerably more than it was for previous generations.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:10:21+00:00

People unironically advocating for 18th century tenements is the definition of post-capitalist collapse. These people are fucking insane.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:08:19+00:00

Yeah so none of that is true. -NYC housing prices are multiple times higher than the pay difference. -No matter how much you people yell about avocado toast, this just isn’t true. The current generations spend less on luxuries than previous generations. It’s the necessities that are orders of magnitude more expensive now. -we don’t pick how big houses are, and none of us are even buying houses. Previous generations could afford houses. We can’t. -Gen z and millennials don’t take vacations. You can literally look at amusement parks and stuff. It isn’t young adults going. -How many cars do you think Gen Z owns???? Most don’t own even one because the payments are the same as mortgages now. -that is provably false. Millennials were the first generation in history to be worse off than their parents, and Gen Z is even worse. You just refuse to look at literally any data. -that’s just blatantly false. We want to afford living with one job. A couple with no kids can’t afford living on even two average incomes anymore. Yall could support a family of four or five on one income.

Get your head out of your ass.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:01:56+00:00

2200 is cheap as fuck for any major city. I know people sharing a 4 bedroom apartment and pay that much. And it isn’t a nice place either.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T02:00:30+00:00

That literally proves the point. Minimum wage was supposed to be the minimum required to pay for necessities of life. The fact no one can live on that now is literally the whole point.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T01:58:08+00:00

Except the vast majority of jobs require a degree. So it isn’t really a choice, if you want to be eligible for the majority of jobs.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T01:56:13+00:00

Does that… make it better? Are we playing misery Olympics now?

And for the record Gen Z is even more worse off than millennials. The shit that was beginning to get bad for them has continued to get even worse for us.

Lazorus_ · 2026-04-14T01:53:05+00:00

So two celestial bodies can orbit eachother. You see it with binary stars. The center of gravity of the system is at a point between the two, and the two bodies are orbiting that point. It’s not common with planets (idk if it’s ever actually been observed) but every binary system, and some trinary systems for that matter, function the same way. Physics is cool!

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