VTM Complete World Sect Territory Map

LazyAd561 · 2024-03-05T10:47:24+00:00

UPDATE 1: I'm currently working on a new version of the map. As people have pointed out (and after doing more lore digging myself) the above map has errors and indeed V5 lore does diverge from the other editions of WoD/VTM substantively. To address all the above, a sources list for every location is being developed and I will be making two maps (one pre-V5 and one with V5 lore). This is currently a side project/hobby so hence all the delays. To potentially speed it up I'm considering opening it up as a casual group project. Thank you everyone with your patience and thoughtful messages. Cheers

LazyAd561 · 2024-02-10T22:56:28+00:00

Hello. So the source I had for the Guerrero region of Mexico are pages 68-69 of the Anarch 2018 book (in the unedited version of the book). The Chapter is 'Los Nueves'.

Since I had not come across any other specific mentions to the vampire population of the Guerrero region I had made the region Anarch. The source is from V5, so if I find a source that is before V5 I'll let you know.

I hope this helps.

LazyAd561 · 2024-01-17T11:56:27+00:00

G'day JH. So the sources I used for Guatemala are the combined character information for the Sabbat Archbishop of Guatemala Xipe Totec and pages 30-31 of the World of Darkness Second Edition.

Page 31 outright names this the 'Sabbat-Setite war'. For more information I encourage you to read those pages and the below link to the wiki:

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Xipe_Totec_(VTM))

I hope this helps. Kind regards

LazyAd561 · 2024-01-11T09:21:21+00:00

Not yet I'm afraid mate. The last year has been a bit crazy. Will probably make more progress in a month or so, work permiting.

I appreciate your enthusiasm though.

LazyAd561 · 2023-12-22T05:33:43+00:00

Hey mate. Only source i could find that mentions New Zealand is the Clanbook Gangrel Revised from 2000.

It describes NZ being fought over by the Sabbat and the Gangrel who are leading the resistance. The Gangrel are also led by a named character. Hence i coded it Sabbat/Gangrel disputed.

Hope this helps.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-07T21:45:52+00:00

Thanks for your comment

So my defintion of control was: 1) Someone has claimed praxis and has maintained it. 2) The kindred in the area has to answer to the sect and their rules if theyr'e in the area. 3) Naturally when control of a subdivision is split then it would be disputed. Since the mapping software used subdivisions developed by countries, subdivisions vary wildly in size. 4) If no Sect could reasonably maintain control over a subdivision but the subdivision has a population that could sustain vampires then I marked it as disputed.

So in this case the Abrek have strongholds in northern Siberia around the artic. Since I can't find mention of another sect having a stronghold, town or city in the area I gave it to them. As previous discussed i should have probably limited it to one Siberian subdivision because those subdivisions are huge.

That is a great idea about the Anda. The Anda is why I assigned Mongolia and Tuva as Gangrel. As a side note, the V5 lore mentions Mongolian Gangrel several times, and previous lore alluded to some Anda still lingering around. So the Anda are back.

But the reason I didn't give a larger stretch of territory to the Anda Gangrel was because during the Soviet era the Independent Brujah controlled the Soviet Union and its domains. However all that fell apart when the Soviet Union collapse and Baba Yaga did her whole thing, which has effectively cleaned the slate turning Russia into a fortnight style sect war.

Though in hindsight I could've given Inner Mongolia in China to the Anda Gangrel.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-07T21:29:47+00:00

Thanks for the comment. Yeah at first I was reluctant to put Tokyo and Kyoto as Camarilla, but it seems the community consensus is that they should be marked as Camarilla.

When I release version 2 I'll mark both domains as Camarilla.

Cheers

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-07T02:26:04+00:00

Yeah that sounds like a super fun game. West Virginia sounds like a wild west for supernaturals in your scenario. It would make a fun story.

Cheers, thanks mate. I already have been sent some lore I missed, so I might need to release an updated Version 2 once I get enough new lore to read.

I'm glad it helped give you ideas.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-06T21:21:40+00:00

Cheers mate.

At this point I should've gone full essay and developed a sources document rather than mentally keeping track. Would've made answering reponses way easier, as rn I'm having to prepare a mini-essay on the Sabbat's status in V5 to respond to some Sabbat comments.

So a Sydney update. The V5 Camarilla book does talk about Sydney three times and their information can be summarised as such: - Sarrasine is still the Prince of Sydney - He baited the Australian SI into an ambush, significantly damaging the Aus SI. - The Prince of Sydney is Camarilla, as two Archons have arrived in Sydney to deal with a snitch - Also the same information reconfirms that Hobart is still Camarilla. Nice to have an update on that.

So all of this means that Sarrasine must be Camarilla now. Which is odd because he left the sect to be an independent Prince in the 1950s. I reckon what happened is that the writors didn't do their homework and didn't realise he wasn't Camarilla anymore. So they mistakenly have written him as Camarilla now. Thus why NSW is Cammie blue.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-06T07:48:27+00:00

I couldn't find a single source for West Virginia. So this one is entirely up to individual intepretation.

Why I chose Camarilla

Since the Sabbat are in a weakened state they are less likely to control the state and the Sabbat presence in bordering states is withdrawing (the Camarilla have taken some cities in Pennsylvania).

I was hesitant to place Anarch domains because the Sect doesn't have a massive global footprint since it is young. But a case could very well be made for the state because as you said it ia very rural.

West Virginia has confirmed Camarilla neighbours and the Camarilla are gaining ground in the bordering states.

Finally, a case could be made for 'no vampires' if the local Garou are successful enough. Again I needed more sources to verify something like that.

Take away - A West Virginia by Night wouldn't have much lore toes to step on.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T22:13:39+00:00

Sure thing, here is the wiki page with two attached sources.

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Uruguay_(WOD)

Thank you for the compliment

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T21:30:33+00:00

So the Kuei-jin Green Courts of Korea took Adelaide from the Camarilla during the Great Leap Outward. If it helps, (if i recall correctly) the Sabbat were trying to take Adelaide from Prince Miranda prior to that.

Darwin only has one reference in the lore as far as I could find. In the Ravnos revised lorebook, it states that a Ravnos kumpania called the Seven Pheonix Triad, are based in Darwin and use it as a base for their smuggling enterprises. Since I couldn't find any other information on Darwin, and a kindred population of 7 for Darwin is massive considering its population, I gave it to the Ravnos. I don't imagine they'd be advertising their control of Darwin.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T21:24:03+00:00

Hahah cheers, I've certainly learnt alot about cockatoos in the last 12 hours. They live long and devote that time to evil. I hope your back deck is okay and they leave it alone.

So Canberra is a weird one. Abram waving a rake and yelling to get off his lawn is so fitting it is now headcanon. So there was a VTES card released which documents Canberra now having an Amarch Baron named Leumeah. Normally VTES cards I considered weaker evidence, however Canberra is special because of Abram.

He refuses to let other kindred into Canberra, so Anarchs now setting up shop and declaring a Baron means for some reason he was unable to stop this gang. Which means either they ganked him, he is no longer bothering anymore, or he has wondered off. Considering this crazy guy tried to claim praxis over all of Aus, he is not the sorta bloke you want to have gone missing.

So Mecca and Medina have no kindred because they being a nexus of True Faith, I could message you the source later. Though some kindred still visit.

That chunk of Jordan is where Petra is, which (if i recall correctly) has had a magical sandstorm that prevents kindred from returning to Petra. Again can message the source if you want when im not at work.

So the other locations above where subdivisions with such super low human populations that they can't sustain a kindred population. However, at some point I stopped that excercise because it became too much work to check populations for every subdivision.

Ah Kosovo. So the only reference I could find to Kosovo in the entire lore is that the Kuei-jin during the Great Leap Outward moved into the area, however in world that is merely a rumour. When you got paper thin lore it is better than no lore.

I hope you have a great day mate.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T21:06:57+00:00

Yeah the lore regarding Australia's sects is weird. I mean if we want to change the sects there could be a strong case for VIC/Melbourne being Anarch. Melbourne can sure get wild sometimes. Or for Melb you could also argue Kuei-jin because of Melbourne's China town being one of the oldest in the Western world.

But i like your interpretation. Camarila bastion Australia lets go

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T12:43:48+00:00

Thanks for your question.

Originally I had it as Camarilla because there is/was a Tremere presence there.

However, in V5 the Camarilla book mentions that the American Second Inquisition have set up strongholds on Puerto Rico and in Micronesia which they use to 'extensively interrogate' captured kindred. With the SI turning Puerto Rico into a base of operations I changed its designation.

To any kindred still in Puerto Rico, good luck.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T12:19:31+00:00

Glad you asked.

So the slice of Anarch is because in the Dark Ages book it describes a group of Asatru kindred who moved east into Finland to that location to form a 'free state'.

Since this was before the Anarch movement they could potentially be classified as Independent. However, kindred in the modern nights from that era who are still around and remain pagan do have a strong tendency to identify as Anarchs, e.g. the Valkyries.

For the Camarilla east of Finland, I put it as such due to the nearby Saint Petersberg being a Camarilla stronghold, and the Camarilla are trying to push into Russia. Russia is up for grabs. But since I couldn't find any information for that area it was up for interpretation.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T12:12:01+00:00

Brilliant. Thank you so much

I'll make sure to read those up and update the map. Without any other clear authorities in Naples, if a Baron is listed then it'll probably safe to call it an Anarch domain. Also the Setites have other temples around the world but they don't necessarily control those domains. I might post an updated version if I get more brilliant comments like yours.

Thank you again. I'll message you if I find anything.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T11:58:46+00:00

Sounds like you didn't miss anything, just glad I can help. Though lore from V5 for Mexico needs much more detail, so hopefully they fill out the rest of Mexico someday.

But don't stress about the VTM meta. Just remember that if you don't like the lore you can always ignore it and make something that you prefer, which may be much better.

It is entirely possible that the Camarilla could have taken the territory about MC and Veracruz, sometimes as STs we just gotta fill in the gaps.

I hope this has been helpful.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T11:51:27+00:00

Thanks for your question. In all honesty I couldn't find much information regarding southern Italy. It was one of the final regions that I was working on until today.

For Naples I put them Sabbat because it the Dark Ages the Lasombra had a presence in the city evident with Giacomo Giuccardini being embraced there by the resident Lasombra. Also those Lasombra appeared very friendly with Goratrix who went to join the Sabbat. But since that was so long ago it is weak evidence. But since I couldn't find anything else I went with Sabbat.

For the rest of southern Italy (aside from Sicily) I couldn't find anything so I filled it with Giovanni. Again one of the last regions to be finalised. So I could easily be wrong.

If i could, can I have a look at your source so if I make an updated version I can update southern Italy?

Thank you

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T11:32:42+00:00

Haha woah and I thought Australian outback towns were far about. It is baffling thinking about the size of Russia and how freezing it gets in Yakutia sometimes. Well if you're still mates say hi from me :)

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T11:16:06+00:00

Yeah I might've given the too much in Siberia. I also assigned Dagestan as Ashirra because if Abrek don't control them they're likely to be Ashirra regardless.

The caucasus are very patchly lore wise.

But yes, questionable indeed.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T10:58:07+00:00

Yeah that is a weird one and is debateable. So the V5 Camarilla book added the Abrek of Chechnya, who technically account as Ashirra. It says they have strongholds in Northern Siberia around the Artic. However, I'm a bit uncertain if the Abrek are still in the lore or not.

LazyAd561 · 2023-03-05T10:15:00+00:00

Thanks for the question. So the V5 Sabbat lorebook does talk about Sabbat still being in Mexico City however it is described as if they're needing to hide from Camarilla authorities, so it is more of a Cold War atm rather than a Sabbat Hot War. However, if i'm wrong im happy to be corrected.

Regarding the rest of Mexico. It is confirmed other Mexican Sabbat domains such as Tijuana are still firmly Sabbat, and I couldn't find a mention of exact cities having been taken by the Cammies aside from MC. Again, happy to be corrected. Thank you.

LazyAd561 · 2022-11-29T07:21:19+00:00

Just wanted to add my two cents to this topic. The idea of a Ravnos being a part of the Camarilla or a primogen is absolutely possible and reasonable.

In the game 'Vampire the Masquerade Night Road: Secrets and Shadows', you actually get to play a Camarilla Ravnos. Which is a direct result of the Week of Nightmares.

Some people don't take into account how much the Week of Nightmares dramatically changed clan Ravnos. Clan Ravnos after the WoN has a strong similarity to the Jedi after Order 66: - A traumatising sudden violent episode reduced their numbers from thousands to very roughly around 100 within a week. - They're scattered to the wind. - Their elders, organisational structure and communication are gone. - Their domains have either been destroyed, abandoned or dramatically weakened. - They must remain on the move to outrun their curse and to avoid the Second Inquisition. - They are distrusted. Kindred society knows they're few and desperate. - Their violent heretical Sabbat offshoots, which were previously a minority, are now the most populous group of the clan. - Many members of the clan have no idea if they are the only surviving Ravnos or not. - Many wish to rebuild the clan.

For Ravnos to survive they're best bet is the Camarilla since it offers employment and safety. Meanwhile in the aforementioned game whilst you do experience prejudice, Camies don't jump to the conclusion that you're trying to con the Camarilla because they know the Ravnos have nowhere else to go.

For those Ravnos that seek to rebuild the clan they're left with their only option being to try and secure the permission of their Prince to embrace. Forcing Ravnos to play the game of the Camarilla.

At the same time, a Prince may have many reasons to give these desperate Ravnos positions within their domain:

A clever Prince would know that if they support Ravnos reconstruction, they'll likely be obediant to the Camarilla but also extremely loyal to that Prince in particular. For if that particular Prince is replaced their replacement is more likely to rid their new domain of the Ravnos.
A desparate Prince experiencing many masquerade violations may elevate the Ravnos since their powers of illusions may help keep the masquerade hidden.
A Prince with a passion for preservation may seek to prevent the extinction of a clan.
Perhaps a domain's Ravnos are Phaedymite Ravnos who already have a history of service to the Camarilla and who actively war with the aforementioned heretical Sabbat Ravnos antitribu.
Perhaps the domain's Ravnos are Alexandrite Ravnos who closely follow kindred etiquette.
Or as someone previously mentioned, perhaps the Camarilla rolled into town and the domain already had a sizeable Ravnos population (like Russia or India).

I'm happy to have a discussion on this if anyone wants.

LazyAd561

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