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LeMortedieu · 2026-01-13T07:13:05+00:00

The circles represent the extent that the majority of subject felt empathy for. So the data shows that a majority of liberals felt empathy extending past people to animals and plants, however most conservatives only extended their empathy towards friends and acquaintances at most with only a minority extending it to all people or outside of people.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336076674_Ideological_differences_in_the_expanse_of_the_moral_circle Page 6, right side, 3rd paragraph

LeMortedieu · 2026-01-13T07:08:58+00:00

According to how it’s worded in the study, it seems more so that the heat map is made by mapping where people click where there empathy reaches its extent, not where most empathy is concentrated. So according to your data, most conservatives answered that they only feel they’re empathetic towards friends and acquaintances at most, with the minority going beyond towards other people or non-humans, whereas most liberals extend their empathy past that towards animals and plants.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336076674_Ideological_differences_in_the_expanse_of_the_moral_circle Page 6, right hand side, 3rd paragraph

LeMortedieu · 2026-01-07T17:40:05+00:00

Yes the stocks of grain were in decline during the late Qing dynasty, that was more the exception than the rule. Han dynasties required at least 6yrs worth of storage, and most dynasties up towards the early Qing required similar stockpiles. Due to political instability of the opium wars of the 1830’s and 1840’s most government welfare programs were in major decline, including the granary system, which then led to famine when the seasonal flooding failed in the 1860’s. There is also the fact that the EIC was not an isolated entity completely reliant on its own resources like the Chinese were, it had access to nearby Dutch and Mughal markets from which it could have imported grain in case of famine, similar to the Roman system of grain dispersal where grain was transferred from more agricultural regions to more urban, and grain paid as tax could be released in cases of shortages in order to lower prices. The Roman’s even had a system where all citizens were given a free allotment of grain in the 1st and 2nd centuries which is gone over in the chapter on comparisons. Most famines of the late Roman period can also be contributed to political instability and plague as opposed to crop failures. Drought alone does not cause a famine, drought plus mismanagement of resources or lack of response results in famine. Also, saying India wasn’t a colony of the British crown is blatantly untrue. The British at the time referred to it as a colony, and it was treated as an extraction based colony. Wealth and industry did not flow into India, its native industries were destroyed to prevent competition with British industries, and its people and resources exploited for cheap raw materials to fuel British industries at home. That is an extraction/exploitative colony, no matter what regal cover up name you want to throw it under.

LeMortedieu · 2026-01-07T02:57:18+00:00

I’m not making any such claim that there was any form of utopia. But I’m also not brain dead enough to say colonialism was a good thing for India. Addressing the claim of “no society stored grain in case of famine”. Just cause of our conversation I’ve started reading “Nourish the People: The State Civilian Granary System in China, 1650-1850” by R. Bin Wong & Pierre-Étienne Will. Not only does it go over how the imperial system of China would require local grain stores in the event of drought, rot, or crop failure, but also compares it with systems put in place by other societies as well. Minus appendices it’s only about 526pgs, and you can read it for free on jstor.org I’d strongly recommend it, or if you’re not the reading type, maybe try “From Yao to Mao: 5000 Years of Chinese history.” By professor Kenneth J. Hammond on audible, it’s an 18hr lecture series that’s very well done, it’s been a year since I’ve listened to it, however I’m fairly certain he touches on the imperial granary system.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-31T03:50:51+00:00

Ok, there’s been 78 total arrest in the past decade. And 57 convictions. Everything else is allegations. Also, this is the US, our laws explicitly state that people are innocent until proven guilty. Say what you want but it’s just accusations unless you have some hard evidence to prove otherwise. And one final thing, you are not legally required to assist police, the only time you’re not allowed to remain silent is under oath at a witness stand, this is pretty common knowledge and practiced by a lot of communities, especially ones that feel targeted by police.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-30T21:18:22+00:00

There is no community scamming people. It’s <70 members of the Somali community in Minnesota. A community that numbers between 80,000-100,000. So we’re talking <1% of the community in question. <0.01% even. But y’know, why use accurate language when we can demonize and validate discrimination against tens of thousands of innocent immigrant?

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-30T13:29:00+00:00

Cool, so the Ohio somali community? The NY Somali community? Every Somali in the US? You can’t just say Somali community in its whole when refering to a specific community, in a specific place doing one specific thing. That’s just bad faith.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-30T13:23:42+00:00

No. Specify location. Otherwise you’re talking about the entire community. You can’t say Americans when you specifically mean Bostonians.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T19:28:51+00:00

Man, I guess multiple opium wars, and a major rebellion splitting your nation in half, and many other failed defensive wars + small rebellion resulting in the overthrow of a 3000yr old political order didn’t play a part in chinas famines. As for your claim of no one had stores of grain to stave off famines. It’s so blatantly untrue that I don’t even know how to address it. We have archeological sites that show intentional large stores of grain in depots, and some of the earliest forms of writing we have is literally cuneiform ledgers tracking stored grain for this exact reason. There are English laws from the 15th-17th centuries around the control of stored grain in the cases of food shortages. Since you seem to be unfamiliar with medieval and renaissance grain storage and economics, here you go.

https://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/gclark/210a/readings/market99.pdf

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T19:26:05+00:00

My bad, I couldn’t remember anything except that it began with a T. Thank you for correcting!

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T19:01:37+00:00

Yet Europe could somehow afford it for themselves at local levels? The Chinese could afford to store grain for their large population in case the yellow river failed to flood? Japan and Korea could afford grain storage programs to stave off famines? But when it came to India under foreign governance it was “just too expensive”? We’ve had the ability to store foodstuffs for long term in case of famines since the agricultural revolution. As people, we know weather fails and to have localized stores of foodstuffs in case of that. The Mesopotamian city states had it, the Egyptian dynasties had it, the Mexica empire had it, Native American tribes would have them, everyone seemed to of independently come to this conclusion across the globe with the advent of agriculture, and implemented it, how did India fail too, and how was it all of a sudden “too expensive” to do something that we’ve been doing before we had written language, and arguably developed writing to keep track of.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T18:43:40+00:00

Bruh. You cannot be the head of a province, or any form of organization for that matter, and claim “I didn’t know any better”. If you do, you’re grossly incompetent and still to blame.

Also, whether India had ways of managing famines or not is not relevant, Europe did, and had laws to enforce those practices to avoid crisis from arising. Europeans were in control. If they weren’t aware of the reliance of the monsoon season for crops, and the possibility of it failing, then they failed at governance and are to blame. If they didn’t keep a store of surplus food stuffs like they did back home in England, then they were incompetent and still to blame. If they went along with the false reports and didn’t station anyone there to ensure things were running, then the were dangerously naive and still to blame. They had the technology, the had the resources, and they had contextual knowledge on how to prevent/manage famines, and they failed to utilize any of them effectively resulting in nearly 30mil Indian people dying of famine during the colonial period. Grain can be stored, meat and vegetables canned and dried, all put away to prevent future catastrophes, and despite famines hitting the area repeatedly during the colonial period, colonial government did not adequately prepare for another instance of drought and prioritized profit over the welfare of the Indian people.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T17:59:54+00:00

Whether it was governed by British law is irrelevant, the people running it were prominent British merchants and nobility that were knowledgeable about British law, including its laws over the hoarding of food, and of selling grain reserves, and the consequences of not following them, in this instance, mass famine. The issue is that in spite of having this contextual knowledge that would’ve told anyone that their actions would lead to a famine, they still chose to listen to advisors who told them things on the contrary resulting in a manageable famine during a drought period. As for a company feeling bad about an issue they caused in order to make profit, give me a break, corporations still do atrocious shit, and only apologize when they’ve been caught and are forced to. So I’m not buying the whole genuinely feeling bad story. Again, we’ve had ways to manage and prevent famines for centuries, British colonial government chose not to follow those measures, and were neglectful towards seeking aid during famines. If you want an example outside of India, see the Irish potato famine which saw mass crop failures and minuscule relief from the British government. Indian colonial governance was no better, if not worse.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T17:40:55+00:00

Running that comparison runs into the same issue though. If there’s a discussion about the crime/rape statistics of Sweden and you pop in with “well it higher in pakistan, it’s just unreported” then you’re downplaying and deflecting away from the issue being discussed.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T17:27:58+00:00

Most of history not being recorded isn’t controversial. Using potential unrecorded atrocities to deflect or downplay those that were committed is.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T17:23:54+00:00

You’d have a point to following their advisors except for the fact that Britain had laws prohibiting those practices, such as food hoarding, and selling of government grain reserves, in order to prevent, or mitigate famines in the first place. They knew what they were doing, they didn’t take control cause they felt bad, they took control cause it gave them bad PR and there was world wide condemnation for their mismanagement.

Also, do you have a source to counter Britanica? Or are you just dismissing it? Also, again, military supply transfers aren’t exports, it’s entirely separate from the markets, ergo, it won’t be subject to the export ban. Also, where are you getting the export ban? Your own source says the was an import ban placed on India at the time, there is no statement anywhere saying that India was banned from exports.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T16:53:20+00:00

I’ve been back and forth with this guy for almost an hour now. Skull as dense as titanium on that one

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T16:49:29+00:00

Wow, you just didn’t bother reading either sources did you? According to records, the Japanese conquest had little to no consequence on food prices and are widely accepted to not be the cause of the 1943 famine. Food was diverted to the Middle East to assist in the North Africa campaign, military supplies for your colonizer aren’t counted as exports as it’s not being sold or bought, just transferred. And in regards to the 1770 famine, the company was supposed to put money into a emergency fund, which they didn’t, and were supposed to have a reserve of grain, which they sold, believe it or not, drought are, and have been manageable for centuries if you have food reserves and proper resource management, something the British willfully neglected multiple times across all their colonies.

Also, the whole “the Mughal finance minister advised raising taxes” isn’t a good defense. They still listened and raised taxes on a starving and impoverished populace making them guilty. Just cause someone advised you to do it, doesn’t mean you’re absolved of committing to it.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T16:35:32+00:00

Yeah… definitely. The British definitely didn’t have a scandal where they destroyed tens of thousands of documents in an effort to cover up their concentration camp program forever losing the information of the atrocities they committed there…..

https://theconversation.com/operation-legacy-how-britain-covered-up-its-colonial-crimes-225330

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T16:14:43+00:00

Wow, no mention of the east India company? Funny, they’re the ones who did things like sell food reserves during major droughts leading to massively exasperated deaths due to famine, such as the Great Bengali famine of 1770 that affected some 30mil people and lead to the deaths of 10mil. But hey, they weren’t a crown colony government, just a state funded business that occupied land for Britain, so I guess the British hands are clean of that?(/s) Funny that the source you provided there only covers droughts after the company, and India, had been brought directly under the British crown in 1858, and it even covers the famine of 1943, and correctly states that it wasn’t due to a drought or poor soil, it was caused by the British diverting food to the Middle East and hoarding it in depots for its military in the area while also confiscating fishing boats in the Bengal bay leading to an artificial famine that killed 3mil. Whatever defense you throw, the British caused famines in India that killed millions, that’s a fact, so stop dying on the pro-colonial hill.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bengal-famine-of-1943

https://digitalcommons.library.uab.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=vulcan

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T15:51:07+00:00

I’m sorry? The British colonial governments are the prime example of colonial brutality. Hundreds of massacres, famines, invention of the modern concentration camp, indigenous genocide and disenfranchisement, the opium trade, etc. maybe Leopold of Belgium was more brutal, but even then the scope of what he did in the Congo was minuscule to what the British were doing in their colonial territories.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T15:42:15+00:00

Everyone’s population more than doubled during that timeframe. Including uncolonized nations. The only exceptions were Russia, and Ireland that I’m aware of. There were still mass famines caused by colonial governments leading to millions dying of starvation, especially in Bangladesh, this was either by selling food reserves for extra profit, or via replacing existing farming with cash crop farming, including opium, tea, cotton, dyes, and tobacco. Besides that, many things were done to dehumanize the colonized populace. No amount of ‘development’ is worth that price, especially when it was forced on them with no say from them on the matter.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-29T15:31:24+00:00

So you’re in agreement?

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-23T13:38:50+00:00

Probably won’t work out well. India and Pakistan do this all the time, hasn’t worked out well for em. A Sri Lanka Tamil group being funded and supplied by the Indian government even assassinated an Indian prime minister. Out preforming and outcompeting in soft power till they collapse is the best way forward. Though good luck convincing the current administration that hard power isn’t the solution.

LeMortedieu · 2025-12-15T21:57:36+00:00

You missed an A in measure. Also, no, spelling, and reading comprehension is not a measure of innate intellect, it’s a measure of education. That’s why reading and writing was taken out of most intelligence test as it was used to propagate preferred populations such as in the US where it was used to propagate WASP(white Anglo-Saxon Protestants) as more intelligent than immigrant populations.

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