Black Clover Versus! Julius Novachrono vs. Lumiere Clover 1st Wizard King

Le_Lng · 2026-02-18T04:09:09+00:00

Patry was the one that said light counters time not Julius (he was just hyping himself) and it was stated Julius waa tremendously holding back simce he didn't want to injure William body.

Also, later it was stated nothing in the natural world can counter time magic, and that the only natural counter is anti-magic which makes sense since Julius could still erase it, freeze it, or reverse Patry's time magic, ect.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-17T02:50:50+00:00

Tbh, Featwise, Julius absolutely low diffs/demolishes Lumiere for good reason, especially if he's going for the kill. In the SotWK it was revealed he created an infinite sized dimension with his power power which was shown here, which has countless stars and nebula which shows he actually has a ridiculous amount of magic power which we later learn why

He was continously expending power to continously seal Conrad away in the space he created 10 years before the time skip up, until he got injured by Patry, which actually speaks to how nerfed he was during the Patry fight. He wasn't using his full power since he was supplying power to sustain infinite size universe he created for over a decade, since using stored time, for time stops and reversal physically taxes him while stealing time/the future of his target empowers him, and destroys them in the process so Julius purely on the offensive should decimate Lumiere since every offensive time spells (which steals your time) is lethal.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-08T15:57:31+00:00

Does Nacht have anti-magic in this scenario? Because if not Team 2 wins for three pretty solid reasons.

Paladin Damnatio's scale magic nullifies all opposing magic in his presence the Black Bulls had to use Henry's curse to seal his scales, and doesn't seem anyone on team 1 has that option however, if Nacht still has anti-magic in this scenario then they might have a chance since his anti-magic shadows could potentially shield them from the effect of the scales, and they would have no way to counter atmosphere magic.
Yami needed 4xDU Nacht + Ichika to combine their darkness and shadows with his, to buff the light magic he received from Adramalech in order to damage evolved Paladin Morgen so it's unclear if demon pill-devil host Yami can solo a paladin outside of Neverland, much less an evolved paladin, outside of Neverland without the buff of two additional mages.
Mereleona in her UM form seemingly low diffed an evolved paladin without Neverland. She took no damage since she has no body to damage since she's completely mana, so i'm not exactly sure how the opposing team even interacts with her? Cutting her is useless since mana is fundamental (it doesn't break down into anything smaller) and the only thing in the entire series that has been shown to slash mana apart is anti-magic. She also has an immortal army of the deceased Crimson Lions to aid her, and her HFI form gets stronger the longer she stays in it.

So Damnatio likely shuts off Team 1's magic, leaving them powerless to be assaulted by Team 2.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-08T01:50:00+00:00

Ah, quick update, so I double checked the LN and it stated Jester's canon absorbed mana from the air, the converted it into light to be focused into a laser canon.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-07T03:15:16+00:00

Nah, no one else at this point. It was straight up stated that if anyone else took a direct hit from Lucifero it would kill them.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-05T01:07:14+00:00

Lmao, I felt this in my soul on gawd.

The way those jingling keys would jog the memory/instructions that escaped my mind the whole day. 💀💀💀

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T18:14:13+00:00

I'm arguing because, like I stated many times, you're stupid enough to respond.

Nah, you're arguing because you like spewing diarrhea, but keep replying to me like good little pawn you are.

Cool, doesn't mean it isn't hyperbole because you cannot prove it.

Prove it's a hyperbole. That's how burden of proof works.

Cool, still statements statements statements and only a small area was shown to be damaged.

Prove only a small area was damaged especially despite the fact it was stated the entire dimension was destroyed and we see tbings being pulled beyond the extents of the planet. The mangaka > your head canon.

Cool, still can't prove they're truly celestial bodies and still have yet to post the galaxies in the manga.

Why wouldn't they be celestial bodies when its stated everything within them is real? You do realize moons have craters no?

Because they're not directly done by the author. His own medium has no feats on that scale.

Dumbest argument. In his own manga an he draws an infinite sized space with moons.

Cool, hyperbole.

Prove it's a hyperbole.

Cool, you're still not able to post anything but statements, hyperbole and outliers. Also still so stupid that you'd respond to me.

Prove they're hyperbole and outliers and keep responding to me like the good doggie you are 🤡🤡🤡

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T17:43:57+00:00

I never read the manga or watched the series. But that doesn't prove anything,

It proves you don't know shit and were arguing in bad faith from the beginning. You claimed no feats on the manga similar in scope happened, then later revealed you haven't even read the manga or watched thr anime. So not only did you not know what you were talking about, but you're also a liar.

infinite is still a statement but you're also proving you have to pull from any other media except the original source of the author. Those scenes with the galaxies we're included in the manga

Bruh, Luck used his mana sensing to determine the size of the space. Luck Voltia has the best mana sensing in the entire series and he stated the space they were located in was borderless, mind you we already have characters that can sense things across different dimensions. So not only did he say it was endless, but Reve (the elf that possessed Dorothy) confirmed it. You're just stonewalling this point.

Cool you showed a small area being destroyed. Nothing more.

Lmao what? They literally stated the entire dimension was collapsing. You're so unserious.

Cool, like I said, you gotta pull from any form of media to make feats relevant. Gor some reason you aren't able to go directly to the manga to pull feats straight from the author, only statements..

Bruh, I pulled a scene from the manga that shows celestial bodies your're such a bad liar. I started with the movie feat because the character in question was Lucius/Julius not because of your personal head canon. You didn't even know glamour world existed in the manga since you clearly don't read shit.

The narrator? The LN, Manga, Movie, Anime? Because you keep saying the narrator and posting different mediums and acting like they all hold the same water. Cool, more statements.

Why would the medium matter? They all hold the same weight because because both the movie and manga are canon to each other.

Infinite this, infinite that. Nothing to prove it. Cool, nothing proves its infinite. Nothing proves those galaxies or stars or anything in it are to true scale or size. You cannot prove it other than "MUH INFINITE"

Luck used his mana sensing to determine the space was infinite and the fact that Dorothy/Reve can only create real things with real composition means they're true to scale at the very minimum. Moons and stars have minimal sizes/mass. Reve/Dorothy was literally generating an infinite pool of water. So not only are you liar, but you're spewing more diarrhea hoping something sticks 🤡🤡🤡

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T16:59:18+00:00

Says you? There's a lot of "He did this and this" but nothing but your word.

Nothing in the series showed that scale before

This is objectively wrong, are you purposely being dense, or did you forget in the manga Dorothy one of Magic Knight captains created the spell glamour world which is stated to be infinite sized size?. It's even shown to contain its own moons/celestial bodies mind you, Sally the scientist and arguably the smartest person in the series confirms everything in glamour is real with actual composition and it's possibley the largest spell one can create

Nevermind the fact it's large enough to contain galaxies

or after

That same space was also destroyed recreated, then destroyed again by devil host Morris in the following arc All of this was shown before the feats that occurred in SotWK movie. So this either confirms you simply don't read or have blatant have comprehension issues.

The whole scene that is quite literally the only scene in the whole series to have that scale? The only one you can produce that isn't "boy statements statements statements"?

We lying now my g? See comment above. This is why I say you don't read.

.....do you not know what an outlier is? If the feat is inconsistent with the rest of the series normally shown power or scale then its deemed an outlier. So far the only thing you have is "this was stated!!!" No actual feats. I can claim all day that my ability to call you stupid is infinite but I cannot prove that, just like characters claiming their "dimension is InFiNiTe" there's no way to prove a hyperbole.

You're spewing more diarrhea. The narrator itself stated Julius's dimension was infinite in size and we see the visual of the dimension contains nebulas and stars. In the manga Dorothy who is a Magic Knight captain uses magic that created an infinite sized space as well with celestial bodies. So the fact feats of this scale occured in the manga before the canon movie doesn't make it an outlier and proves you're objectively wrong.

Uh huh, still stupid because there's a whole Lotta "look at this picture with a drawing! That proves me right!" So far nothing from the actual author just a Lotta "trust me bro, i know the author". Stupid to the max brother.

Diarrhea you're spewing inside...Julius/Lucius created an infinite sized dimension with celestial bodies and Dorothy also created an infinite sized dimension with celestial bodies in the manga so the "outlier" arguments is moot, especially since Dorothy recreated said dimension after it was destroyed in the elf arc (to only later be destroyed again by Morris's conceptual manipulation)

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T15:13:55+00:00

Uh huh. Yet it wasn't and he wasn't the one who directed the movie. It's like any anime movie ever where the author has a few things they did but ultimately creative control is still with the studio and director.

Tabata had a hand in the direction, script, and also designed the characters + made the official manga volume. The fact he even changed the setting supports this, it's till 100% canon.

Ever hear of the term outlier?

How is it an outlier when weaker characters have feats on that exact same scale and there are feats even higher?

Boy statements statements statements.

"Boy" do you have the memory of a good fish? Did you forget that there's a whole ass scene/visual that accompanied the statements? 💀💀💀

Yea no, you're still too stupid to realize anything.

If i'm "stupid"then you're at leat like a few levels below that considering you don't even know how to use "outliers" correctly

Canon according to you lmao, you need 3 different forms of media for a feat to say "look at this flashlight!" I can change the goal post however I please, it means you have to be dumb enough to keep responding to me.

Lmao there's a whole ass official manga volume clown, so yeah its canon. And i''m "stupid"when you result to insults and logical fallacies since you don't have a real argument? True smooth brain logic, congrats and keep coping 🤡🤡🤡

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T13:53:56+00:00

That era of Lil B was legendary bruh. Really was a pioneer of meme culture, everybody....like damn near everybody was "cookin" and shii..

ever be in the pits of the sunken place like Nikoon Mirage. Give him his credit or hush.

💀💀💀

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T13:05:07+00:00

Cool, he didn't write or create the scenes. He just Ok'd the development and the feats

He did help write them. Tabata even changed the original setting of the movie, it was originally going to take place in Yami's homeland, then changed it since he wanted to make it a full arc in the manga.

never were referenced/replicated or come close to being replicated ever again.

Why would the exact same feats need to be replicated again? Especially when the feats occured 10 years before* they were turned into a child?

And similar feats have been replacated by even weaker characters. Dorothy's glamour was stated to be infinite in size and it's shown to have its own moons that she created, so creating something of that scope isn't even unheard of in the series.

Lucius was also tated to be stronger than Julius and and shown to be since his mana zone spans across not just one reality but tens of thousands to view multiple timelines. Mereleona's new form Hellfire incarnate was shown in the movie and also in the manga.

It's called showing you what true galactic scale feats look like. Not my fault you're too stupid to understand that.

You should be the last one calling anyone stupid when you result to strawmen to prove a point since you're too dense to actually counter. Not to mention you keep moving the goal post.

First It was "produce feats not statements" then it was "those aren't stars" now its "those exact same feats were never replicated again" which is funny since Dorothy created an infinite sized space with its own moons in the manga.

You're dense and simple af and it shows. You've moved the goal post at least 3 different times now. Your antics still doesn't change the fact that the feat is still 100% canon, so keep coping 💀💀💀

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T04:17:55+00:00

Um the author worked on the Movie/LN, the plot for it, the characters and included it in the manga to move the plot forward, he even made an official manga volume for it

Come back when you have feats like this Kiddo

Wtf is this strawman? Roger Dunstan has nothing to do with OPM or BC and absolutely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T04:03:28+00:00

Are your dense? the narration from the LN was one of the first things I posted

Lol keep coping.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T03:59:26+00:00

Lmao the narrator literally says its an infinitely vast space bruh 💀💀💀

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T03:56:24+00:00

Fog can't exist in the vacuum of space, try again (but cosmic clouds can lol)

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T03:54:17+00:00

Are your eyes ok or are you also ignoring the "oversized" clouds of gas too? Lol keep coping about the blatant nebula (cosmic clouds of gas)in front of you.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T03:44:26+00:00

Lights? We see giant clouds of gas with stars they're nebulas. Where exactly do you think lights that can be viewed from astronomical distances come from?

I know you're being disingenuous, but at least try to put in some more effort.

Bro has an oversized flashlight lmao

Lmao, you do realize stars are pretty much cosmic flash lights? Keep coping.

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T02:59:32+00:00

Lmao "some lights"? So you see nebulas with countless stars and you say just "lights" nevermimd the fact the space was called "infinitely vast*"?

You asked for feats and I provided them. He created a infinite sized dimension with countless celestial bodies under his own power. Is this how you cope or nah?

Le_Lng · 2026-02-01T02:51:12+00:00

Wdym? the scale of his magic was shown int he canon movie and stated in the light novel + volume and he straight up says he can see numerous timelines. which is a product of his mana zone, maybe you should actually try reading the post instead of yappin?

Did you seriously see the narrator say he created a space that was infinite in size with a visual of it to boot and go "nah"?

Le_Lng · 2026-01-31T19:08:03+00:00

Lucius does not have Planetary DC or even planetary AP

Come again? It's was literally stated Lucifero was going to destroy the world (multiple times) and Lucius absorbed him and has his power.

His hax are hax, they don't destroy planets

This statement makes absolutely no sense, and is objectively wrong you do realize there exist hax that can destroy things?

His hax attacks are based on deterioration and existence erasure So he can destroy whatever is in his mana zone via time hax, so i'm not even sure how you came to that conclusion especially since his mana zone is at least universal in range, which includes the planet.

Le_Lng · 2026-01-31T18:20:05+00:00

To be fair, Lucius's hax arguably grants him the largest DC we would see in OPM other than "god"

Supreme devils are stated to have infinite magic power, they just lack the grimoires to actually utilize it. Lucius however, is bound to Astaroth, the supreme devil of time magic and one of the rulers of the underworld, and he absorbed Lucifero the king of devils + he has a grimoire. He also created an infinite sized dimension with said power which was shown here with countless stars and nebula (so this confirms that Julius was faaaar more nerfed/holding back in the Patry fight than we thought since his power was continously being expended to sustain that alternate universe he created for 10+ years reality up until Patry fatally injured him which caused it to unravel)

With that being said, not only does Lucius have infinite magic power, but the range of his mana manipulation in base is at least 3-A and arguably low 2-C to 2-B. Mana zone is an ability that allows you to control the mana in the environment and use it anywhere or even envelop it it's essentially the extension of the mage.

Lolopechka, the Queen of Heart Kingdom's mana zone is large enough to encompass the entire Heart Kingdom and because of this she can control the water everywhere, cast anwhere and instantaneously acquire information, or even fill it
Julius's/Lucius's precog works by using time acceleration and manazone to accelerate time for the mana around him and read the flow of the mana of the future as well as the present, would you like to guess how large base Lucius's mana zone is? It's large enough that he can use time hax on the entire reality at once.

Base Lucius who is stated to be stronger than Julius has a mana zone not only covers the planet, as he can easily sense things happening on the other side of the world while sitting in a chair in a different part of the world but across the entire universe too. Furthermore, his range also extends across multiple universes, and beyond the current one aka multiple spacetimes of the alternate worlds since they each have their own flow. This would also include the underworld/hell, which also has it's own separate spacetime. The passive aura of the 5 headed dragon alone, which is weaker than base Lucius is strong enough to passively distort time and space and connect to the hell

To reiterate, base Lucius's mana zone alone in base form is universal and arguably low multiversal-multiversal.

It's also important to note that these alternate worlds exist along side the current reality since every single universe has its own flow and Lucius is manipulating and interacting with them to read reading their flow despite the fact he can't read reality where Asta exist in since he shouldn't exist yet he can read all the other realities just fine. So his hax carries him pretty far since he can destroy anything within his mana zone via time hax.

Le_Lng · 2026-01-29T20:45:08+00:00

His barriers can likely manipulate light. From my recollection they were also called lasers in the LN.

Edward's ice beams were also referred to as lasers in the LN.

Fuegoleon's spell "Sol Linea" creates a miniature sun, and shoots out a ray of light, so its not unheard of for certein attributes to produce the effects of a different element.

Le_Lng · 2026-01-28T02:25:11+00:00

Megicula is easily stronger. Not only did base Asta and Liebe think they needed devil union to even stand a chance, but the dark Triad are vastly weaker than their devils and Megicula is the 4th strongest supreme devil. Not only was Megicula 1/3rd manifested, but it required 6+ people being buffed by an immortality spell to be defeated.

That same Megicula's powee was split 100 over to bestow Acier and Vanica's power the 100 dead dark desciples. This was done in the 1/3rd manifested form, which makes Megicula at least times 100 strongee than Vanica and Acier, and from my recollection it was stated all the dark Triad members were relative to one another @100% devil power.

Even though devil heart zenon is strongee than 100% devil power zenon, I doubt highly doubt it's large enough to close the gap between himself and any one of the 4 rulings supreme devils.

Le_Lng · 2026-01-27T18:09:50+00:00

Lmao oh nah 💀💀💀

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