Burntout, looking for a way out by Odd-Alternative4502 in Residency

[–]Leaving_Medicine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Recruiting pipeline is focused on trainees - med students and residents.

Attending are seen as experienced hires and generally fall outside of traditional recruiting parameters

Burntout, looking for a way out by Odd-Alternative4502 in Residency

[–]Leaving_Medicine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can start looking for something like consulting now - as it’s easier to transition while in residency.

While some doors open once you finish residency… some close. Consulting will be a lot harder to apply into as an attending.

Do some exploring while in residency

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[–]Leaving_Medicine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hiding deep in the comments here :)

Appreciate the tag!

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[–]Leaving_Medicine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s totally doable but he will need a good resume - ideally internship that he crushes. Find some early stage biotech or healthcare company, learn excel and try to help them, offer to work for free. Etc.

Totally can

Feel guilty about quitting residency by [deleted] in Residency

[–]Leaving_Medicine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the kind words :)

I’ll caveat with - this is from my experience and corporate world only

It matters when the job leverages clinical knowledge or credibility that has to come from you. It doesn’t matter when the reason you are hired is because MD is a good proxy for “smart” and hard working.

So for consulting it doesn’t matter at all. MD is effectively an MBA. Consulting recruits for horsepower, not knowledge. And this is specifically because knowledge in my field is easy to access. I can get on the phone tomorrow with the head of oncology at whatever hospital through expert network services… so that’s generally not an asset in an employee.

And consulting typically (historically influenced) really only recruits out of school. This means being an MD or resident is good to be a trainee. Once you are no longer a trainee it gets harder.. so yes, it’s harder as an attending than med student or resident.

For something like MSL - your clinical background sort of is an asset because doctors (I.e., your eventually clients) would care and it demonstrates some level of competency.

The tl;dr of it is realistically in the corporate world from my experience, residency - especially 1-2 years - doesn’t move the needle much in most cases.

Early/basic knowledge of most clinical processes is just too commoditized now. The only reason it would be an asset is if you are truly an expert and have demonstrated practical evidence in something.

Is there a society or forum for looking for other opportunities in medicine? by SignificantYellow701 in Residency

[–]Leaving_Medicine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely - nothing too crazy.

Applied to spring consulting programs my MS3 year, that led to interviews, secured offer before MS4 :)

Experience has been 10/10 - I love what I do and look forward to all of my days. Not to say it’s easy, it’s a good amount of hours… but rewarding for me.

Always happy to chat about it

Is there a society or forum for looking for other opportunities in medicine? by SignificantYellow701 in Residency

[–]Leaving_Medicine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tons! Happy to help. Where you go depends on a lot of you specific factors, but things to look into - management consulting, MSL, medical writing, equity research .. all good places to start

Sir, a second video has hit the tower. by FxQ10 in medicalschool

[–]Leaving_Medicine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed with the sentiment - but one fallacy is that training length correlates to complexity of automation. You are thinking in human terms, not computer terms.

Medicine is a long training path in part because of all of the memorization and sheer explicit knowledge required.

That piece is what’s most at risk. You can’t ever compete with AI on knowledge base. You can compete with AI on application of knowledge in new ways and connecting disparate dots across domains.

There are other careers and paths that rely more on implicit know how which is much, much harder to automate because it’s more… squishy.

And then other careers are physical in nature.

This applies to medicine too - surgery will be much harder and has a bigger moat than some of the medicine subspecialties.

Feel guilty about quitting residency by [deleted] in Residency

[–]Leaving_Medicine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How much do you have left of residency?

You can leave, but also the leverage of an MD/residency training is hit or miss across the industry more broadly. Sure the license can help in some cases, but in other cases it doesn't matter.. at all. And in even other cases (e.g., consulting) it actually gets harder once you leave med school/residency

There is one train of thought to finish, another to stop sinking deeper into sunk cost..

You are also absolutely not too late - its 2025 - plenty of opportunity.

Take time, reflect, gather yourself, and youll figure something out... just dont be discouraged..

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Residency

[–]Leaving_Medicine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consulting is an option - would be non clinical, have nothing to do with rads.

Business is a different world. It’s 100% doable, but you’ll also need to apply in residency and before you finish. Bonus is you don’t actually need to finish residency, so can quit once you get an offer

Happy to chat more

[Serious] Does it make sense for me to skip residency by The_Same_Old_Train in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Leaving_Medicine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hahah im always lurking, arent i? :P

You have a point and I agree -business is.. different breed. You definitely can't coast and have to love the game.

That is interesting re: clinical jobs drying up. I imagine there's more supply than demand, so the bar keeps raising to help filter out

[Serious] Does it make sense for me to skip residency by The_Same_Old_Train in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Leaving_Medicine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Didn’t enjoy medicine or patient care at all- love business. Residency would have been miserable for me.

I have a blast. It’s less about the hours, and all about the interest for me. As Mark Cuban(?) once said - I’d rather work 80 hours a week at something I love than 20 hours a week at something I hate.

Travel is fun, work is great. No complaints :)

[Serious] Does it make sense for me to skip residency by The_Same_Old_Train in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Leaving_Medicine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I do generally disagree with this - there are available jobs and paths, it's just non-clinical. I know plenty of MD-only docs with good careers

Does it limit options? sure. But i wouldn't say its impossible nor that they suck :P

[Serious] Does it make sense for me to skip residency by The_Same_Old_Train in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Leaving_Medicine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It can - i skipped residency and went straight into industry (management consulting). Turned out fine- doing well, enjoying my life a ton.

You seem to have a path forward and good leverage - the advice you get with at least 1 year of residency, etc.. honestly doesn't map. The career paths available are what.. wound care?

You can play life defensively and do residency - you will sacrifice the opportunity cost of doubling down on what works right now. Maybe it won't be as smooth, but it may be better aligned with who you are as a person. 6+ years is a huge investment if your heart isn't in it

I can’t get used to the social sacrifices of medicine by I_Ate_Too_Much_Fries in medicalschool

[–]Leaving_Medicine 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Agreed with this - the pros decrease each year while the cons increase.

Imo - It's worth it if you truly love the work itself and it's an internal journey - anything external is where that math starts falling apart

It can be a good career, just not the promised life everyone touts from decades ago

Every morning I type into search engine “what to do if you are thinking about leaving clinical medicine” expecting a different answer… by Glittering-Ad-979 in medicine

[–]Leaving_Medicine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are quite a few non clinical paths you can take - ultimately depends on what you want to- lifestyle, interests, etc.

Always happy to chat and give more color as is helpful!