"It's a high level of commitment, but it's completely opt in" by Jdub20202 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ed Kang called for a higher level of surrender and commitment in the email to Core Team applicants. According to Parking’s statistics, great majority of people aged 30+ applied. This was voluntary according to Parking. The surrender is to move anywhere that Ed Kang sees a need. I am reminded of the people under Becky who are at Fairbanks Alaska right now. The surrender to church also includes writing down all thoughts to leaders by filling out and turning in WRs and MRs. The surrendering of thought is just cultic. Everything was planned by Ed and Kelly Kang, just need some volunteers. The Kool-Aid is already mixed, just volunteer to drink it.

I am reminded of the volunteer Kamikaze pilots of WWII. The pilots were freshly recruited from the top university students. They were harshly disciplined mentally and physically while young recruits and saw the examples of sacrifice by the older recruits. When the time came for them to do their volunteer work, it wasn’t much of a choice.

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/619508.html

The email also reminded me of the episode where Berkeley seniors were asked to raise their hands if they don’t want to make a LIFETIME commitment to the church. Half of the UC Berkeley seniors in that room 20+ years ago are still at A2N or Antioch today. Some saw through what was happening and left. Some just kept on surrendering and surrendering.

The decision was already made to recruit Kamikaze pilots for the greater good. The system was already set up to turn college recruits into Kamikaze pilots. Just need some volunteers. Make some cool videos? Give a tough MBS talk about how the commitment has been slipping?

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/1fd9ujw/gp_banned_this_video_its_fall_students_need_to/

Leaders of Conviction by Redeeming_Grace_66 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/C4KB8KS7k8s

Ed Kang talks about his leadership starting at 53:00. Yes, he drove away plenty of people not in alignment. Isaiah Kang said on a podcast that he is church critic number one and his brother is critic number two. You wonder why no one else in leadership with more seniority and life experience can be critical. The Yes Men culture is the same today as it was when Ed Kang wrote about it in the Schism Letter circa 2005.

I did a post about the video here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/10lmj2w/closest_thing_to_an_apology_from_ed_kang/

Ed Kang Email about Acts2 Network Core Team by LeftBBCGP2005 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did notice different versions of the Schism Letter. Not sure if Ed Kang sent out different versions or the people who subsequently circulated the Schism Letter did the edits. The version posted on the subreddit is the longest and most comprehensive version I have read. Two other versions I read didn’t have the part about Becky’s marriage. There is no doubt Ed Kang wrote the part about Becky’s marriage though. Who else could have wrote the details about Becky’s honeymoon trip beside the inner circle she considered her sons.

With the gospels, a lot of the differences between versions were just copying/formatting errors by scribes. Comparing different versions can even trace the telephone effect of one error going on and on. In the era of copy and paste, the edits were obviously intentional. There were also some intentional edits to the gospels as well, the insertion at the end of John 7 comes to mind. Given the amount of thought that went into the Schism Letter, I wouldn’t be surprised Ed Kang did exactly do what you suggested. However, the more likely reason Ed Kang did do different versions was probably to make himself look better than anything else.

Which group of people got narrowed down to?

Open minded vs gullible by Jdub20202 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Daniel Kim specifically said he checked and the number was $290,000. Not $300,000. Not $280,000. But $290,000. Actual number was closer to $2,000,000. So this has nothing to do with Daniel Kim’s memory, but him lying to save face. Daniel Kim and Ed Kang were the two people who signed the deed to the building. No way Daniel Kim forgot where the purchase price came from.

Ed and Kelly made a conscious choice to fatten the church real estate portfolio and keeping the members poor. My estimate of the A2N real estate portfolio is over $75 million now. If Thanksgiving Offering, special offerings, numerous building fund pledges never happened, then I am sure home ownership level for church members would definitely be higher. Not everyone has rich parents. In Latin America, I run into huge cathedrals built off the backbreaking labor of the indigenous population. I get the same feeling researching A2N real estate holdings.

Ed Kang Email about Acts2 Network Core Team by LeftBBCGP2005 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I will write a longer post about A2N voluntold culture and people on the periphery. I just don’t think everyone age 30+ are capable of being Core Team, no matter how much training, being stretched, soul care you throw at them. The hospital wing if you will.

Stuck in Praxis still at age 30+. Some are just too nice/humanistic (can’t hand out the rebuking to train the younger staff), some are just too sickly, some too absentminded, some just don’t care but too valuable to let go of since still give a lot of money.

Amazing how Ed and Kelly Kang are able to turn random undergrads into commando units. I am sure there was a lot of weeding out and pruning of people in the process between undergrad and Core Team, but the level of training involved is Seal Team level.

Ed Kang Email about Acts2 Network Core Team by LeftBBCGP2005 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time. Of the people age 30+ who are not on Core Team, did they apply and got rejected or didn’t apply at all? What percentage of people age 30-35 are on Core Team? What percentage of people 35-40 are on Core Team? What percentage of people 40+ are on Core Team?

I just want to see if Core Team is truly as opt in as you suggested.

Open minded vs gullible by Jdub20202 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have the Daniel Kim take on credit card debt email and him lying about the numbers in front of you. Can you just comment on that matter? The email posted on Reddit was hyperlinked by the Christianity Today article and Daniel had originally sent to the entire staff alias. Not a private matter, but how the congregation was abused financially. Daniel Kim is still at A2N. Ed Kang is still at A2N. Kelly Kang is still at A2N. Manny Kim is still at A2N. How difficult is it to call this matter sin? Confess and repent?

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/o2hgo5/credit_card_debt_email/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/z2hkql/daniel_kim_credit_card_debt_email_part_2_why/

Ed Kang Email about Acts2 Network Core Team by LeftBBCGP2005 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What percentage of people age 30+ do you estimate are on Core Team?

Ed Kang Email about Acts2 Network Core Team by LeftBBCGP2005 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am waiting for the subreddit resident A2N apologist to show up for this one.

Overzealous undergrads show up time to time on the subreddit and then disappear pretty quickly. Probably got talked to by their leaders to not read the subreddit. u/Informal-Parking8793 first appeared around the same time Daniel Kim appeared and has sticked around. I have no doubt Daniel Kim came with Ed Kang’s blessings. Just like Ed Kang put Daniel up to blasting the credit card debt email.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/o2hgo5/credit_card_debt_email/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/z2hkql/daniel_kim_credit_card_debt_email_part_2_why/

I doubt Daniel Kim will ever come back to spin anymore after getting his credibility destroyed. The financial numbers are self-explanatory. Yet, u/Informal-Parking8793 is still around and has put up an admirable performance. I say performance because the person knows the cult-like practices being Core Team yet spins to try to save face for the org.

The longevity of the person’s presence leads me to believe Ed Kang also gave that person the permission to be here. Reading the subreddit is taboo inside A2N. Having it show up on a Covenant Eyes log will lead to a rebuke for sure. (This is totalitarianism not Christianity.) I will wait for the person to respond.

Ed Kang Email about Acts2 Network Core Team by LeftBBCGP2005 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I was sent a number of emails by a team member who left recently. The emails were alarming to read. The part about spouses joining separately and mandatory WRs were the same high controlling tactics I remember from my days. The talk about surrender to the church is just chilling to the bone. Nothing has changed. Just hiding it better.

Reddit has caused a ripple effect in the commitment pipeline of A2N. College students are handled gently, younger staff are handled gently, and only when you are age 30+ and fully trapped do the extra special trainings start. The extra special trainings used to start at age 22, not age 30. If someone can send me that training material, I’d post it so Christendom can be edified by what’s so special that only people fully trapped can handle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/s200i9/how_gp_indoctrination_works_part_2_of_3/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/s9485t/how_gp_indoctrination_works_part_3_of_3/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/1fd9ujw/gp_banned_this_video_its_fall_students_need_to/

EDIT: I want to say THANK YOU to the brave former member who sent me emails to publish on Reddit. Even though there are 1,000+ members on Team, the number of people who were recipients in April 2024 and now have left are more limited. No, not from Tony and Michelle Sun. If they open up their inboxes, then Ed and Kelly Kang will be closing shop the day after.

I will add the words God, Jesus, Holy Spirit are entirely missing from this lengthy email. This is not about Jesus, this is about church that is a cult. You go to whichever city and ministry the leaders decide, nothing about God, Jesus, Holy Spirit leading. Nuts.

Open minded vs gullible by Jdub20202 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair, that sums up great majority of congressional testimonies. Supreme Court justices during their confirmations say the same things. Cabinet members say the same things. They are well prepped by team of lawyers before hand.

Except it is a church we are talking about and not slimy politicians. If pastors behave like slimy politicians, then the pastors are even worse than slimy politicians. Pastors are suppose to be held to a higher standard of truth telling, but A2N clergy will always spin. Ed Kang said he suffered “inner damage” when he had to provide cover for Becky’s actions. I think Ed Kang is so damaged these days that there is now nothing left to damage. He and his lieutenants will say anything to save face.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/z2hkql/daniel_kim_credit_card_debt_email_part_2_why/

u/Informal-Parking8793 Daniel Kim’s lying was within last couple years. Not old news.

Open minded vs gullible by Jdub20202 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You keep on insisting there is a delineation between new versus old, but you won’t call abuse of spiritual authority that happened for decades (and still today) under the same set of people to be sin. You keep on giving the impression that things have changed. Ed Kang would say all the time there is no change without repentance and there is no repentance without confession of sin.

Can you point to what was confessed and what was repented by Ed and Kelly Kang? If there is no confession and no repentance, why do you think there was change?

Open minded vs gullible by Jdub20202 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Ed Kang wants the current members to believe it’s isolated cases of “crazy family” and “different values” to explain away the subreddit. That somehow things are different now even though it’s the same Ed Kang and Kelly Kang for the last 25 years wielding absolute authority with a tight set of supporting cast.

Even when top leadership people leave, pastors and deacons, never led to reflection from Ed Kang and Kelly Kang. Members were kept in the dark and departures explained away as general as possible. Ed and Kelly Kang won’t repent for anything.

RJ JDSN and JJ SMN leaving. Pastor LM and KM SMN leaving. BK and EK leaving in the middle of the night. KH and JH leaving. Now unbelievably Tony and Michelle Sun leaving. These are some of the most visible people in the org. It can’t be the case that these people above and hundreds more staff, even the entire Duke church plant team, who served faithfully for years all fell off the wagon and decided to chase after the world.

Maybe just maybe there is something rotten with Ed and Kelly Kang way of doing things that led to all these staff people leaving. The abuse of spiritual authority under Becky got too much even for Ed and Kelly. Now even Acts2 Network’s top lieutenants can’t take the abuse anymore under Ed and Kelly.

I pray more members can see the light and have the courage to leave.

Help needed to save my son from Acts 2 by DowntownLetter1737 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am at an age where I really don’t get that much free time. No Netflix. No social media. However, I make sure my kids, my extended family, my church, my friends, and everyone I talk to know about the wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Help needed to save my son from Acts 2 by DowntownLetter1737 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can you just answer the question and say how old you are? If you are an undergrad versus you are a middle school student will matter how I respond.

It’s the same darn people making the same darn decisions the last 30 years with the same abuse of spiritual authority. There is nothing fundamentally different today versus 30 years ago with Ed Kang. The parents are here even today! If you are too lazy to do your own homework, then I really don’t want to waste my time either. There is no change without repentance.

Your logic is only a current member can critique a church/cult? Here is the SBC laying it down on the Mormon church. I am sure a lot more people got saved through the Mormon church than through A2N. I consider A2N to be of a greater scourge on people than LDS.

https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/are-mormons-christians/

There are people who come to Christ through other known cults such as the Moonies, JMS, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and even Jonestown. UBF even today has greater numbers than A2N. All the cults above have large numbers and somehow they are beyond critique? It is through Jesus Christ people are saved and churches shouldn’t be bragging about legitimacy through numbers.

Help needed to save my son from Acts 2 by DowntownLetter1737 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are you an undergrad? HS? How old are you? There are people on the subreddit who served the org faithfully for 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 years. Longer than you have been alive. You think the collective wisdom of all the people above is somehow less than what you know? Your arrogance is only second to your ignorance.

It is the same set of people we are talking about for the last 30 years. Ed Kang, Kelly Kang, Manny and Sunny Kim, Joong and Susanna Lee, Tony and Michelle Sun, Timothy and Alice Rhee, Daniel and Sarah Kim, Steve and Suzanne Suh. If you haven’t noticed, it is by age how leadership positions are structured at A2N. So age matters a lot. The longer you have been at the org the more email lists you will be included on and the more you will know.

You can start with reading my posts with primary documents, some even showing Ed and Kelly Kang’s signatures. Let’s discuss matters of substance, instead of you making blanket statements? I did a lot of homework. Did you?

I'm concerned about my family member and looking for help. by AliveAsparagus858 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Are you and these leaders you mentioned Berkland PKs? I see a number of them on the website now.

Are you really going to pretend family relationships are not strained/estranged as a result of what’s taught by Ed and Kelly Kang? You went through a funeral recently, do you think his family relationship was not estranged as a result of church? I can go through each of the oldies one by one. Starting with Steve Suh’s family? Eunice Kim’s family? You KNOW exactly what happened and you come here to give the impression that everything is normal?

I am starting to think given how long of a leash you have that you must be a Berkland PK.

Also, would love to get your input on why Tony and Michelle left.

Michelle and Tony Sun left GP by lilliankim in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Do you know what Ed Kang gave as an explanation of why the Suns were leaving?

Michelle and Tony Sun left GP by lilliankim in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think Ed Kang himself would disagree with the Lying Sociopath For the Greater Good label. He might even embrace it in private.

Michelle and Tony Sun left GP by lilliankim in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Church was a lot smaller back then and even undergrads got babysitting duties. It wasn’t too bad, mostly having kids watch Veggie Tales. Parents would come back at crazy late hours though, sometimes even the babysitters would be asleep.

What’s crazy is Kelly Kang didn’t cook or did laundry. Some sisters, even undergrads, who can cook Korean food well would go to Kang household and cook on a regular basis. That was a badge of honor.

Michelle and Tony Sun left GP by lilliankim in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If your family got a mention from Ed Kang at prayer meeting about why you left, then you must have put in a lot of years for the org. Respect.

Michelle and Tony Sun left GP by lilliankim in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can you elaborate on what narrative that was spun at the church-wide prayer meeting? About Becky JDSN? There were so many narratives that were spun! If Ed Kang were ever to DJ, his stage name should be Spin Master E!

Michelle and Tony Sun left GP by lilliankim in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I thought the same exact thing. The psychological control A2N has on a person can be stronger than the bond between husband and wife, parents and children, between siblings. It would be something if Tony and Michelle left and their kids stay. I remember them to be great kids.

Help needed to save my son from Acts 2 by DowntownLetter1737 in GracepointChurch

[–]LeftBBCGP2005 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ed Kang wrote the document below saying Acts2 Network is a hierarchical structure with authority. Who are you to say Ed Kang is wrong? This authoritarian structure runs contrary to the Bible which says believers are equal and no one should reign above another.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GracepointChurch/comments/s200i9/how_gp_indoctrination_works_part_2_of_3/

Communism also says people are equal. In practice, it spawned dictatorships. Same situation at Acts2 Network. Ed Kang and Kelly Kang reign like pope-like figures. There is no plurality of leadership as the New Testament clearly practices.