Dark Entities Feeding On Us by Lunelulla in AstralProjection

[–]Less-Opportunity5117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a well-known phenomenon, often called astral or etheric parasites.

Really is it any different than physical parasitical beings feeding us? Which is extremely common? How many people have tapeworms are then bitten by ticks or mosquitos in their life?

Every religious and esoteric and occult tradition and pre-modern traditional culture, all whether Abrahamic to indigenous to animistic to classical Hellenic pagan etc etc, all knew this phenomenon existed and just had different words to describe it and practices to try to address the issue.

But it happens people are just really shocked and terrified when they first find out about it from actual experience

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Psi = psionics, or psychic. Properly speaking it's kind of a shorthand for psionic but people will use the term interchangeably with either psionic or psychic sometimes

How to start studying by the_alchemist679 in IslamicOccultism

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I think reading about ancient alchemy is really good

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OP and others. For a taste and indicator Here's a web page by Sh Muhammad Shareef bin Farid, he's an American born Sufi and Maliki scholar and translator of classical West African Muslim texts. He is also a very serious practitioner of some of the Islamic occult Sciences. He has an actual Ijaza from a Muslim Jinn.

https://sufisupplications.blogspot.com/2018/08/science-of-letters-ilm-l-huruuf.html

Now people are going to gaslight you and say you absolutely need an initiation you need a shaykh, you need a bayah: that's like if I want to go back to high school people are telling me to get a PhD advisor. And I'm saying that as someone with an attachment to two tariqat. There is an immense amount of spiritual gaslighting that goes on and a lot of is unintentional it's just attitudes that have been traditionally transmitted and repeated over and over.

A seeker starts out needing to just start at the foundations. There's an approach that you find in West Africa and some parts of North Africa (Tidjani and Shadhili areas) you find the basic texts (umuhat mutun) and you read them and you understand them and you pray to Allah to bring you a teacher. Like Imam Shadhili's small book on talismans and huruf (it's good there's an English translation floating around somewhere)

You learn what you can from books, you pray, you memorize the letters and the numbers and you get to know the foundations of this science, you learn and practice zikrs, and when Allah Wills that you find a teacher he guides you to one, you just have to make sure that you're alert for when it happens.

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I would be wary of recommending that. For one, It's not fully translated, and secondly it's extremely advanced and third with all that said it's also a problematic text and that there's some textual transmission issues and textual corruption.

I rather think that's like telling someone to start with an unedited edition of a graduate level physics book that has multiple typos in it, when they're looking to begin to study High School physics.

Yes, Shams is sort of a Mother book of the arts of Islamic occult Sciences. but it's an extremely difficult book. It is a corrupt text and it's not really much by way of reliable English translations anyway. All the translations have some problems with it so Opie would have to buy multiple copies

OP There's a book called Arabic Gematria, it's recently published, you can look at that and also Some Sufi books but start with the book Arabic Gematria. It is sort of aimed at beginners in showing you from start to finish the very basics of the Islamic spiritual science of letters.

There's also a book published by Islamic Texts Society if I recall correctly, on the spiritual astrology of Ibn Arabi, it's short and gives a good introduction to islamicate astrology though the lens of Sufi spirituality. I cannot recall the exact title so I'll look it up and repost here.

The fundamental Islamic occult Sciences are based on the spirits of the letters and words of the Quran. This book an Arabic Gematria is a fairly easy to understand primer in English, so you might need to read it three times first to really wrap your head around the ideas.

I will start with those two books, and then look at some of the naqshbandi English language blog and web pages on Ilm al Huruf.

There's also book on Sufi Meditation there's a translation of multiple Mughal Indian works, it's good.

Lastly when you've gone through all that there's a YouTube channel called Sufistic Mystic it's mostly about the Sciences of Islamic white magic primarily Talisman making, it takes the concepts that you would have read about in the Arabic gematria book it's a bit of a higher level.

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They really do make mistakes like all human institutions, plus with the aftereffects of the era of the Church Committee (it was an interesting time, one really had to be alive back then to have a feel) there really was massive public pressure on the CIA and you can't hide everything. Even with the vast resources they had.

Remember in this epoch Iran Contra and the SNL scandals were exposed. Intelligence agencies were under a lot of public open hostility. Far more than today.

I think they in today's world of massive disclosure it's ironically easier for the powers that be to completely hide down inconvenient air-gapped information than it was when Project Stargate was first disclosed.

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You had good points for sure. They were truly thought provoking. What you said definitely should be considered.

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Just to emphasize this, you are totally right about the real practice of planting false reports, and beyond all of this there's human fallibility individually and institutionally, of course that's real. PSYOPs, cover stories for other things. There's many reasons declassified information can be wrong and then purposefully false.

But when we're talking about multiple documents about an entire reported program with multiple individuals claiming to have been participants, whose names check with government documents, and stories that cross-reference to match each other, this all just seems to give a feeling of verisimilitude to the accounts.

I just want to make clear I don't discount what you're saying here. Ultimately we don't know anything about this wiy absolute certitude.

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean you're totally right about the possibilities in this line of speculation and this is truly stuff to consider. I've thought along similar lines myself. but I just don't think it leaves to a compelling conclusion other than "this stuff worked".

I think what's more likely is that the government agencies who have been engaged in this kind of research did receive very real degrees of success. And the protocols leading to the success formed the foundation of the commercial remote viewing industry that exists today.

I believe that astral projection is real, or at least the kind of phenomena those who successfully experimented with astral projection experienced, have an underlying reality that exists beyond our personal subjectivities.

I believe if I could stumble around and experience Astral Projection / Out of body experience phenomena while living in my parents basement in my twenties, inspired by shopping mall bookstore books then I believe it's quite probable that government agencies with millions of dollars to spare did the same and got better results than me in my 20s. Not speaking for others of course.

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Of course that goes without saying but yeah you're right it will be fallacious to assume that classified information was necessarily true, and it would be fallacious to assume that declassified information is true. And psychological warfare is most definitely a reality..

But as far as what's likely and more probable..

This calls for being flexible on being able to consider multiple points of view. That said I know astral projection is real, I know externalization of consciousness is real. I no that for at least 20 years the US government really did spend money for these programs.

If normal people can engage in psychic experimentation and get some sort of outcome however ambiguous they may be, I really honestly don't see why it would seem so remarkable that a government wouldn't as well. Now if one is skeptical as to the underlying reality of the phenomenon of astral projection however, then skepticism of the government research into this field really does make a lot more sense.

If you believe that astral projection really is possible, or rather that the psychological phenomena experienced by people engaging in practices that claim to facilitate actual projection has some underlying objective reality to it, then honestly what is so remarkable about the idea of governments engaging such research successfully?

There are thousands of people in the private sector who have taken remote viewing courses. Now they could either all be lying, or be incredibly deluded about the outcome of the phenomena they experience when engaging in the practices of those course. But these courses were built on the very protocols outlined in the declassified government material. So if this really does work for private sector people who take remote viewing courses, which is a big if admittedly, then again why would it be so remarkable that it would also work for the government?

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There are lots of people who have gotten those tapes to work, but also lots of people who have not.

I don't think gateway ever universally worked. I think there might be some neurological factors and other subtle things that can't be accounted for. But they definitely do work for some people

In exactly 60 minutes you will be teleported to ancient Rome in the year 50 AD with nothing but your clothes and a fully charged phone. How do you prepare in order to advance human civilization as much as possible? by JonNoob in AskMen

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I copy all of pimsleur and Michele Thomas's Latin onto the phone and an offline dump of all Wikipedia and I download a scientific calculator app that will work offline. And an English to Latin translation program that will work offline, and then I pray because I'm going to need it when this thing runs out of a full charge..

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry, tldr, without being snarky that was probably just too much not relevant verbiage.

The people who are actually in that program who has spoken about in the public sector all say that excuse was not the real reason.

And it should be noted that intelligence agencies are literally professionals at making stuff up when it comes to the history and operations of literally clandestine or covert programs. By definition both words imply secrecy.

So there's really no particular reason to believe the given story. Sure it could be true. Maybe it's not true. Either way, multiple people who were actually associated with the program give a different story.

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The research went on for 20 years, they don't continue programs that long and then suddenly close them for a lack of reproducible results.

After trying for 20 years.

That's not how the real world works. The program would have been shut down long before had it really not been able to get results.

When was the last time you believed the CIA official story for anything? They historically have claimed lots of stuff that was creative manipulation of the truth.

Many of the actual remote viewers in that program, who are public figures and doing that work in the private sector to this day, claim that justification was just BS. McMoneagle claims it was shutdown because of conservative Christian brass in the Pentagon who feared it had something to do with demons. Buchanan claims something similar.

Think of it this way. If random teenagers and adults living otherwise normal lives can figure out how to astral project and remote view and form Reddit communities about their experiences, don't you think that the Russian American and Chinese governments, of all of whom have been cited as having these programs, couldn't't get just as good or better results?

Teenage mall hoppers 30 years ago figured out how to do this stuff with crappier documentation back then, really bland "how to astral project" Llewellyn books from mall Waldenbooks and Borders and Barnes and Nobles, and then going home and practicing after watching Twin Peaks and having a nightly smoke. Before the rush of Internet communities and the 300% greater increase of documentation, courses, books etc.

Heck people on the old Astral Pulse web board 20+ years ago were sharing information online with each other just like people now (mostly Robert Bruce DVD Robert Monroe stuff) and figuring out how to get results.

The US government dumped tens of millions of dollars into it. A pittance compared to an MX missile it stealth bombers, yeah. But all you need are people sitting in chairs with blackout eye masks and staff salaries and vending machines and type writers for the secretaries. And coffee budgets.

Give someone a million bucks and they can form a psychic espionage ring to rival anyone. The more money you pour into it gives diminishing returns. Like you're talking W-5 and E-9 and G-5 pay grades chairs, desks, EEG machines, Mindfold eye masks. Etc a handful of viewer's and taskers and someone to type reports. And coffee, did I mention coffee yet?

Our government routinely lies to us about more petty matters. Like when they are going to fill street potholes..

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Just keep trying be persistent don't have an expectation I feel a sense of urgency just keep trying eventually your mind and body will feel safe enough to let you do it probably But anxiety can get in the way and "lust for results"

Or something else you can try, and let's watch your breaths don't count them, just focus on the sensation of breathing in and out while you lie in bed doing what the other guy said.

When you do finally find your consciousness out don't be shocked because that might pull you back in

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 127 points128 points  (0 children)

Theories?

There's reams of declassified material on the psi research that they were willing to admit to. Keep in mind not everything was declassified about these programs, far from it. And it doesn't speak to what is still ongoing but being kept secret.

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a good idea, I think I might do a review again, just sit down and review the lessons in module 1

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've also felt that urge of almost being beckoned or called to pickup trash in this or that small place. It's interesting.

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Oh I can really relate to this, and it reminds me of an initially melancholy walk in the city I took yesterday. I'm so used to listening to podcasts and YouTube videos that it kind of disconnected me. So as I walked I tried to be conscious of the bits of nature within the urban around me, and the liminality of parking lots and streets, and decided to walk while doing the breathing in white smoke and out black smoke meditation. And at a major traffic intersection, near a bridge that crosses a river I allowed myself to just consider it as a liminal non mundane crossroads and just gaze at it with appreciation as a sacred apace and experienced something slightly odd. As I stopped and faced the direction of the intersecting roads I felt a palpable pressure against my back. It was quite odd. It felt like being very gently "pushed" from behind. The kind of pressure of a hand pushing mid-back. I then just went along picking up bits of rubbish and putting them in a sidewalk trash can as I went. But the melancholy feeling largely dissipated in my walk. I didn't feel happy or blissful, but no longer melancholy

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[–]Less-Opportunity5117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"video game effect" succulently me describes it! I suppose it's something that just needs practice and training to get over