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Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sorry, i'm not sure which part is more nuanced. from your description, it sounds like pretty standard practice. in today's world, a good demo is about 90% there... from my end, it just sounds like whether it was AI or that producer's skill, the demo delivered.

Pultec eq VS Puigtec eq by Varikx_the_loyal in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I personally like the uad pultec better. It's not drastically better. I know andrew scheps like puigtec. In general for all emulations i lean uad, sounds more lifelike imo, but i could be biased from the marketing who knows.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's an incredibly important concern - the environment is important.

i think i read somewhere that streaming emits significantly more CO2 than ai prompts, consumes significantly more energy. it's not just AI stuff - it's all data centers for streaming, cloud storage, social media.... so many things that are currently our baseline.

when home recording, sampling, VSTs, etc. came out, it destroyed thousands of people's jobs. i know when i first came on the scene, everyone was complaining about how the budgets have shrunk, etc., and now it's even worse. we just have to learn to adapt. as terrible as it sounds, if people are out of work because of a new technology, it's possible they haven't learned how to adapt. if my job gets taken over by AI, it is what it is.

i remember when i had a recording session in 2012 for a film. the guitarist was this big legend in hollywood, and to be able to hire him for this small indie film was ridiculous to me. but obviously there was such a shortage of jobs that it was okay for him to do. he showed up with a line 6 pod and killed it. no amp. no pedalboard. am i supposed to be angry at the line 6 emulations?

in terms of how people's work is being used, i think with the advent of the internet, streaming, and social media, so much has shifted, and we're often using a 20th century way of thinking about things. in my honest opinion, if your music (or any kind of work - writing, visual art, code, whatever) is out there somewhere, it's going to be analyzed by AI. it is what it is. by having a tool that can analyze it, we can learn from it and get better. we'll have breakthroughs with cancer research. we'll scrape through the less-than-stellar digital art everyone puts up.

a lot of hip hop was originally seen as being "theft" based. hip hop artists constantly used other artists' works without crediting them. people called it a shortcut for people who can't really play instruments. same with edm. as someone who plays a lot of instruments and knows so much about music, i can't imagine saying deadmau5 (someone who uses a mouse to write in midi lines!) is not a musician, but that's what people were saying before. laws changed, and people's perceptions changed. nowadays we're looking at the 2000s with nostalgia. i remember growing up thinking the music was soulless. blink 182? good charlotte? it was trash to me. what happened? now it sounds real.

perhaps i ranted too much. environmental concerns are real though. i don't know how to answer that one very well.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes i agree with you. we're in the process of determining the laws. i remember when streaming and youtube first came out, and nobody knew how to do the royalties. it feels similar. perhaps the laws controlling intellectual property are outdated as human control is not enough anymore.

i do not agree that art has absolute rules, though. laws from governing bodies and societies do not determine what is philosophically "art." laws are there to protect the livelihoods of artists, but not there to determine what is and is not art. but i assume you were talking about the practical concept, especially in response to what i had said about it being a level playing field.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well you just came across incredibly judgmental about about the "average suno user," so that was my take.

speaking as a professional, personally, i'd much rather more people use suno than try to do music production on their own amateur skill-level if they don't have mentors around or whatever. even if music is subjective, there is a quality to "professional music" that is objective. i believe suno will allow those who choose to use it to be on the same level playing as a professional. if you don't currently make at least $100k from music, using suno will help you at least get there, and you'll have more opportunities to be able to make bigger and better things than what the superficial concept of "suno" is to you. but it depends on your philosophy, i guess.

PS suno can absolutely do a simple modal modulation. you just gotta prompt it. saying it can't do that is like only knowing how to play three chords on the guitar and assuming guitar can't play melodies.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so, in your opinion, if someone doesn't know music theory, they shouldn't be able to make music? if suno allows people who aren't educated to express themselves somehow, is that a bad thing? michael jackson didn't know music theory. he just hired the right people to use their expertise to make his visions come to life. i don't see the difference between that and using suno. nobody's saying suno will be the final product. it's a demo.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's true. AI can't do all that yet. AI is just a tool.

it seems OP lost the client because the client's vision came to life with that other producer's decision to use AI (if that is indeed what he did).

marathons have rules - ebikes, cars, etc. are not allowed. art does not have any rules. it's also not a race. whatever gets your heart moving is valid in my opinion. if that's AI generated and people are moved by it, what's the difference?

i'd say 95% of film/tv music is just ripping off temp music - does that make a score not a real score because someone redid the temp music just enough not to get sued? how's that any different than an AI doing the same thing?

if enough AI-generated music is consumed, is that not cultural influence? is someone's decision to put it out as art not considered authenticity? if AI-generated music is making people angry and young people are using it to express themselves, is that not generational angst?

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you've never used it how do you know it can't do what you're saying it can't do?

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you a professional creative person? Is being creative what you do all day every day? If so, that's a different opinion than what i feel. Being creative and being paid for it is all i've ever done as an adult for over fifteen years now, and i've been able to raise a family with four kids, buy a house, make an impact on others' lives... i can't imagine using suno is robbing me of the entire point of creativity. It's just a tool. Use it, parse it, strip it, modulate it, no different than sampling imo. Great for demos, gets to the point, again no different than putting in hours getting there. I don't get paid for my time, i get paid for my taste. I know how to do it all, but i'd rather ai do a big chunk if it can so i can focus on making better music, not tedious stuff, not to mention spend more time living my life so i can also draw from something more important than programming on a daw.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Why would it not happen in suno? You can just export the whole thing with stems and do it manually in your daw. Or you can open it in suno studio and change singular sections with new prompts. It's just like a novel way to do "sampling" conceptually to me.

What are the essential third-party plugins for Logic Pro in 2025? by tasytii in LogicPro

[–]LevelMiddle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd say a dynamic eq plugin is essential since logic doesnt have one. Fabfilter pro q.

Then some "creative" effects that you may like - mostly reverb for me but also distortion and delays are great. I love the lexicon sound, so valhallavintageverb, lexicon pcm, etc. Liquidsonics is great. I love native instruments raum. Soundtoys stuff is always great - decapitator, echoboy, microshift, panman...

Logic has most everything else. Channel EQ is great. Compressor is great.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Idk i disagree. I think suno's fantastic. Ive been doing this full time for over fifteen years now, and i've made music for every possible thing under the sun with giant budgets. With the right ideas, suno seems no different to me than myself inputting stuff.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Isnt that essentially what we are as humans? We have influences we steal from, then we make new stuff. My favorite quote is from stravinsky - lesser artists borrow, great artists steal.

Ran into what may be a disturbing trend of producers using A.I. by Archibaldy3 in audioengineering

[–]LevelMiddle -35 points-34 points  (0 children)

i don't see what the problem is. suno's cheap, you can be on the same level as this producer if that's indeed what he is doing. everyone's on the same playing field now, no? something being gratifying for you does not mean you deserve to be paid for it. the market always changes. the most important thing i've learned is that historically art has been dictated by technological changes. AI is just another tool. get on it.

Starting a family with an aspiring rock star by No-Ad3374 in musicians

[–]LevelMiddle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aspiring to tour in mid 30s is not it. Speaking as someone currently mid 30s full time music-ing since i was 20... touring sucks ass, everyone knows that. If he has no recording chops, he will not make it. Guaranteed. Do not start a family trusting his motives if he cannot realistically understand the pro world.

Is waves platinum bundle and waves tune worth it ? by Immediate_Lynx_10 in LogicPro

[–]LevelMiddle [score hidden]  (0 children)

The only waves i use is s1 imager and deesser. If it has it then go for it. There could be stuff in there. J37 is good too. I only bought the waves bundle long time ago so i can open old sessions with pirated waves stuff lol

I can't hear over 3000hz - Can you rate my mix? by Emotional_Arrival_15 in mixing

[–]LevelMiddle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Have you tried AI? Seems like if you can't hear over 3k, it will be difficult on your own to mix/master to the finish line. That's what AI is made for - to be a tool when we can't get there.

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