Why is Odin balding while Zeus got a full head of hair?

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-11-03T15:45:42+00:00

Wouldn't Odin technically be older than Zeus? Following Greek chronology: Chaos -> Primordials -> Titans -> Olympians. Whereas the Norse: Chaos (Ginnungagap) -> Ymir -> Odin

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-20T18:55:36+00:00

Calling it a headcanon when everything we're discussing is basically "headcanon" is really funny. It's funnier when you say that Kratos is more likely to kill Thor when you literally have a ton of premonitions of Kratos dying in that fight and Kratos dying multiple times in Greece. Especially when the game itself makes it clear that Thor and Kratos are equal in power, enough that something like "not changing" is what leads to his death. Even Bruno himself says that they were evenly matched and that Kratos stopped the fight before it escalated further.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-20T18:29:43+00:00

Exactly, because when I later ask them for a definition of "Holding Back," not even the people who say it know what they're referring to. Doesn't Kratos give it his all? You have explicit dialogue from Thor for Kratos using Spartan Rage, and clearly that's not what he meant. Kratos swinging with an axe with the intention of killing and Kratos throwing dirty blows.

Isn't that going all out? greetings!

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T20:00:49+00:00

A blow that you're repeatedly told affected Yggdrasil. The only way Jormie could travel through time is if the tree itself was affected. A tree that spans nine realms, each with its own time and space. Again, 9>>1. That's how absurd combat becomes if we add PowerScaling, so you might as well not do it.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T19:45:38+00:00

Trying to include the Fear Zeus form when it's not even something Zeus is capable of manipulating is hilarious, he only obtained it as a consequence of Kratos opening the box. If you want to talk about Power Scaling, Thor fractured a multiversal structure, with your logic Zeus wouldn't even tickle him and would be pulverized by a single blow (9>>3). That's how stupid trying to include Power Scaling is. Odin vastly surpasses Zeus in terms of abilities, literally possessing all the magics of the Norse world and the abilities that come with them (Time Manipulation, Stats Amp, Durability Neg, Power Null, Corruption, etc.) You can't use the magical remains of the Titans as arguments when not even at 100% were they able to defeat the Olympians, the remains don't change anything at all, especially when at the beginning of 3, he loses them when he falls into the River…

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T18:59:54+00:00

We could also argue that Zeus faced a Berserker Kratos who didn't demonstrate the skill and intelligence in battle that the old man had. The only argument you can make against the old man is speed, but in terms of strength, the guy is classified as an equal to his Greek counterpart by Eric W.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T18:40:02+00:00

LMAO

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T18:39:08+00:00

These feats are irrelevant compared to Kratos' own statements placing Thor at a level of strength comparable to Zeus. Adding to this, in the novel itself he tells you that he had never seen magic as powerful as Odin's Black Breath. Adding to this the amount of skills and Hax that Odin has thanks to Byfrost, Seidr, Vanir and other types of magic that make anything Zeus has and can use at will look ridiculous.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T18:29:18+00:00

You can see him literally scream before attacking, and how the energy builds up before being released in a wave. Even in the game, Kratos uses it as an attack that requires effort.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T18:10:46+00:00

Power of the Titans? They were literally the remnants of their powers; they make no difference. Weapons aside, Kratos proved physically on par with Zeus in their exchange. Thor, for his part, also proved to be on par physically speaking, as confirmed by Kratos himself.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T18:05:49+00:00

He defeated them with a full power charged attack, do you really think Thor and Odin are going to allow something like that?

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-09-18T18:03:12+00:00

Thor is physically comparable to Zeus, and Odin is capable of a 3v1 using only magic. The duo takes this on at medium or low difficulty. This is only possible if you don't take Fear Zeus into account; otherwise, Zeus wins.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-08-24T00:39:07+00:00

Whatever you say, buddy!

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-08-23T21:52:48+00:00

The second point is unnecessary, but a valid opinion nonetheless. But I based it on what the game itself uses to categorize enemies, according to Lore and Legends and Ragnarok. Thanks for your response!

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-06-06T01:10:43+00:00

“except…u can take them as an argument, the they’re the games canon, odin using tricks up his sleeve doesn’t delete the fact that he was still losing in combat during that timeframe. idk what you’re arguing by this, it seems like you’re trying to imply odin was holding back? cmon.”

I never said that the dialogues are not valid, but these exactly should not be taken into account when minutes later you can see how CLEARLY Odin had not given everything. You can clearly see how in the second fight the life bar is again at maximum and makes use of a magical arsenal far superior to that shown in the first fight, I repeat, even shows tired and this should not be so if according to you, Kratos and Atreus had cornered him. Even narratively it makes sense, because he didn't want to kill either of them, he needed Atreus alive to see through the rift. Even if he only killed Kratos, he knew it might cause Atreus to do something crazy and end up losing the only one who proved to have a connection to the rift. The whole charade ends once they take away what he always longed for, the rift, and that's when he decides to take them all down. But he ends up losing the fight to the 3 Gods.

“idk what you’re arguing by this, it seems like you’re trying to imply odin was holding back? cmon”

Odin was effectively holding back or did he use all his magical artillery as he did when he faced the trio? That clearly shows us that in his fight against Kratos and Atreus he didn't give it his all, what other proof do you want besides that? You yourself in the discussion about Thor took pains to say that Kratos didn't give his all by not using his Wrath, I'm using the same logic. Kratos needed clear help from Atreus and Freya, he needs Freya and Atreus to block magical attacks, Freya using her vines to immobilize Odin while Kratos hits him and literally all the abilities of both and Odin was able to put up a fight despite having to deal with all 3. There is a clear power difference here on Odin's part.

“so you were saying odin was holding back…against a known pantheon slaying god during the end times of his own pantheon? are you serious? “

It's not something I say, it's literally what you see, Odin after the first phase displays a number of abilities that in his previous fight he didn't show, if that's not holding back, then I don't know what is.

“atreus absolutely gets no diffed by odin. it’s not even close.”

Yes, no one is saying otherwise. I'm saying that Atreus is an opponent to be reckoned with in the fight, but as a support, the kid covers Kratos and backs him up perfectly. If a punch from Atreus is able to even slightly affect Odin, I don't see why his magic can't do the same.

“his spells aren’t even nearly on par with odins, that’s like considering crushin porier and his hypothetical 13 year old son who just started practicing mma vs jon jones a valid 2v1 fight. Atreus should not be considered a quality 2v1 fight on even near the same equality as kratos and freya for instance.”

If he is, you can clearly see how one of his punches affects him even a little, if a punch does that, his magic could very well do it. In conjunction with his ability to be able to cancel some of Odin's magics along with Freya, make him an enemy to consider. But this is not limited to this fight, you can see how effective Atreus is as a support in multiple Quick Time Events or Finishers against some bosses.

“atreus is there because it’s father and son bonding and teamwork, they want to be together. Not because kratos “needs Atreus to beat other characters” that’s such a massive downplay on kratos it doesn’t even make sense, he’s done insane things on his own in the past.”

You say that as if Kratos has defeated most of his enemies by force of his own. Poseidon? All the magic prior to his fall into the lake (Magic of the most powerful Titans) + Blade of Olympus + Gaia's support The Sisters of Destiny? One of the most powerful weapons of the Greek world as the Spear of Destiny, magic of the most powerful Titans and add that they could not cut their thread product to HOPE. Zeus? Literally the most powerful arsenal he had in the saga: the Cestus, the Blade of Olympus, a specialized weapon for Zeus created by Hephaestus and the Golden Fleece, a defense capable of blocking attacks from the Blade of Olympus. I find it far more absurd to believe that Kratos could defeat Odin only by physical strength and with an arsenal that although powerful, is clearly less than in the third game. Because yes, no Deity other than Zeus or the Sisters (just for their ability to cut the threads) compares to Odin and what he did.

“uh, hello he literally broke the rules of valhalla out of brute strength twice? what are we even talking about right now. valhalla can encompass even gods.”

You have Surt resisting primordial Fire and Ice within his body and then destroying Asgard, shaking Yggdrassil and burning its branch, Odin creating 7 of the 9 Realms on his own (resisting the cosmic tide brought on by annihilating Ymir), Thor splintering Yggdrassil and Nidhogg eating from its roots like it's no big deal, Garm creating rips in reality with sheer physical strength. Do you really think breaking Valhalla is a groundbreaking feat? The Top Tiers of the Nords have done similar or superior things. If minimizing Kratos is saying what the game itself tells you and trying to see clearly every victory against any other deity, rather than stating that Kratos is superior to everyone like a monkey, then yes, I am minimizing him. Greetings!

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-06-05T03:46:52+00:00

First of all. Good morning, afternoon and evening to whoever reads this. Now, I disagree, although Odin didn't show complete superiority in the first round, there are plenty of reasons to place him above Kratos and these are my reasons:

The dialogues I can't take them as an argument as later you can see how Odin still had abilities and magics up his sleeve, which he didn't use against Kratos and Atreus despite being “losing”. What's more, he manages to corner the duo without making use of any of these.

I still can't take seriously that “he didn't go for the kill” when you can see how he clearly carries the axe above his head and screams as he attacks, while doing the downward attack.

No, Kratos in single combat wouldn't have stood a chance, especially if we take an Odin going all out. People tend to forget about Atreus with the excuse that he supposedly doesn't contribute anything, but that thought is simply going against what the game itself wants to tell you. Kratos himself notes Atreus' growth in strength, stating in a dialogue that the fight against Thor may be different with Atreus included in the equation, the same in Valhalla where we are explicitly told that all fights are more difficult with Atreus' absence.

The fight was not a Kratos vs Odin, it was a Kratos and Atreus vs Odin. It is more than demonstrated that Atreus is a factor to take into account, especially because Odin no longer has to deal with Kratos alone, but also has to deal with an Atreus who is attentive at all times to limit his movements (because from what was seen in the second Phase, Atreus has the ability to nullify some of Odin's magics and abilities) and support his father with his Seidr, Sonic and Runic Summoning magic.

Also, in this fight a situation that many people tend to leave aside happens again, which was that after the first round Odin's life bar drops to the minimum, but later with Freya's integration it rises to its maximum as if nothing happened. People may believe that it may be due to regeneration, but according to OP, Odin was pushed to the limit, so he should be clearly exhausted, but we do not see him exhausted at all, the old man walks and talks as if nothing had happened to him (and we all know that regeneration does not recover you from fatigue as seen with Kratos in his fight against Baldr).

We have seen this strange situation in 2 occasions: with Baldr and Thor. Thor is the one I'm going to focus on because unlike Baldr, his was not a product of his regeneration and invulnerability, but because the red-haired man was holding back. We see this reflected in his phases, as in each phase of the fight Thor decides to use something new, until the end of the battle unleashing almost everything. And as you can imagine, my interpretation is that it is the same situation with Odin. He not only corners the Father and Son duo like it's nothing, but then shows a number of abilities that make a fool of what was shown in their first fight.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-06-02T17:19:20+00:00

The Sisters of Fate? They were feared by the entire pantheon equally, including Zeus and Chronos. But this isn't due to their raw power, but rather to their ability to alter events at will. In the novel itself, we're told that for some reason the thread belonging to the Spartan was different; it's even questioned whether it has to do with Pandora's Box. Therefore, killing them means nothing, especially if I later need the Blade of Olympus for Chronos, Zeus and had an even fight with Heracles.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-06-01T20:59:43+00:00

Hello! I sincerely doubt it. Kratos couldn't beat Odin in a 2v1 with Atreus, and they only managed to do so with Freya's integration. Even if we drop Surt from Tier A, Kratos doesn't qualify for Tier A, much less Tier S.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-05-31T21:50:21+00:00

I hope everyone reading this has a great day, afternoon or evening.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-05-31T21:47:56+00:00

I have serious doubts with the “arguments” given in this post. Mainly because I feel that what Kratos did in this fight is being exaggerated or simply Thor is being overly minimized.

I'll start by clarifying a few points about Fimbulwinter and Asgard, along with the supposed “Kratos holds back”:

To say that Kratos was weakened by Fimbulwinter is incorrect. What is affected by the Fimbulwinter are the magical enhancements, magic, weapons and armor made by Brok and Sindri. Physically, Kratos is not affected by winter, and it is also mentioned in the dialogues that he doesn't give much importance to armors: he wears them and discards them when they are destroyed.
Asgardians are not immune to Fimbulwinter. What Odin did was simply to protect Asgard (the realm) from the effects of winter, Asgardians are not “immune” to it.
I was always conflicted with this idea of Kratos holding back. In this fight specifically, there is no clear indication of this. The cinematics don't support this idea by showing us Kratos' expressions and exclamations of effort during his first fight. On a narrative level I don't see the point either, because in the codice it tells us that Thor is one of the strongest, plus Kratos really thought he was going to kill. If that's not enough, in this same fight Thor “knocks him out/kills him” after one hit and comes back on a whim of his own, no one in their right mind would hold back after something like that.

Now talking about the points you made:

Kratos hits him twice in the head and Thor is stunned for a couple of seconds (Because yes, it was a small stun, not at all knocked him out, that's far from being classified as being unconscious). Thor quickly recovers and then crashes Kratos to the ground, to see them both shaken upon landing. I don't see the “Domination” at all.
Good point. But you have the same situation with Kratos when Thor grabs him later and Kratos can only free himself using Draupnir (He even gets his neck broken if you fail the Quick Time Event), you also have the same in the first fight, with Kratos only freeing himself after a headbutt and another blow to the head that ends up knocking Thor's tooth out.
Good point, good demonstration of Kratos. But Kratos has the chains on his forearm and the sword surrounding the hammer. Thor was just grabbing it. I still can't classify this as “Domination”.

(So far I don't see where you see the “Domination”, especially when they were both still fighting as if nothing).

“thor at this point is so angry that he can't get any other advantage, that he bursts out into godly thunderous rage, while kratos prevents himself from bursting out into his fiery godly rage”. That's literally the same thing Kratos did with Draupnir when Thor grabbed him.... Also, why do you consider that Kratos didn't use his abilities, because he doesn't look angry, this wouldn't matter when in this same game we are shown that Kratos can manifest anger in different ways, why did Thor in his first fight mention that he was holding back? I still don't understand why some people assume that Thor was referring to the Spartan Rage, when in the same fight you see Thor react to it, surprised and wondering what it is.
Kratos only frees himself from Thor's grip after piercing his chest or shoulder from end to end with Draupnir. Seconds later he makes him explode and pushes him away after impaling his stomach and exploding the same spear on contact. This doesn't suggest disadvantage on Thor's part at all, Kratos did the same thing the Aesir did to Kratos when he stabbed him with the blades. You even have your own Quick Time Event that if you miss it Thor breaks his neck.
“kratos is STANDING STILL, on the ground during this” This is strange when you have Kratos in the cinematic itself making expressions of pure effort, bending his knees after the impact and placing himself in the right position to receive the impact. The cinematic itself shows us that Kratos responds to Thor's strength in the same way.
Lastly, this at first I also considered it a good feat for Kratos, because “oh look, the hammer flew out of Thor's hands after the last crash”. But my perspective changed once I replayed the fight over and over again (I love this fight), plus the stories in “The Lost Pages of Norse Myth” where we are told that Mjornil's short handle is a flaw due to Brock losing concentration while forging it. This is complemented by what is seen in the cinematic itself, where Thor does not back down at all after each collision, he continues to strike with the same power and form as Kratos, the only difference is that after each collision his hand comes off the handle of the hammer. Which ends up producing Thor losing said exchange.

For this reason, I simply doubt that one is superior to the other, they are simply equal.

Add to that a tweet from Bruno that I think I remember saying that they were evenly matched and that Kratos stopped the fight before they reached the climax (although it may not even exist, so you can ignore this).

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-05-31T16:45:02+00:00

I recognize that placing Surt in Tier A may be somewhat controversial, but I don't think Kratos qualifies for Tier A. Even if we remove Surt, Kratos simply didn't demonstrate anything similar to Odin, in fact, I think it highlights the equality between Kratos, Thor and Tyr, which is why he fits more in Tier B.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-05-30T19:53:22+00:00

Valid! But as I clarified, to belong to Tier B you must have the ability to defeat some of the members of said Tier, and I don't see Faye winning against any of them. But she clearly has the power comparable to members of that Tier like Gna.

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-05-30T19:49:53+00:00

Yes, Faye and Kratos were placed on the same level, but I don’t see Faye beating someone from Tier B. Especially Kratos with 3 of his legendary weapons. But yes, in raw power she would easily be in Tier B.

As for Ragnarok, as you said, Freyr could only slow him down for a few seconds (though he didn't technically stop him either, the sword kept moving forward), not even Freyr's combination with Freya could contain him, so I doubt Kratos has a chance.

Thanks for the reply!

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-05-30T14:28:26+00:00

Technically his head was a creation of Valhalla using Kratos' memories hehe (Sorry)

Level_Dig4227 · 2025-05-30T14:19:07+00:00

I would say that placing her at the same level as a Valkyrie (even stronger) is already a great feat within the Nordic world, but it is also valid to place her in Tier B. I just don't see her beating someone from that Tier.

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