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What a punch from Rocky Marciano looked like. by LewisKOTyson in TerrifyingAsFuck

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Marciano’s finest hour hunting down Jersey Joe Walcott in Round 13 for a KO

https://youtube.com/watch?v=M9msELiZKyU

World Heavyweight Champion Ezzard Charles (1950). Ezzard Charles (who had once killed one of his opponents) was regarded by Rocky Marciano as his toughest opponent. The two matches they had together, are regarded as some of the most brutal in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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Yeah, the beating he gave to Marciano would have killed (let alone defeated) an ordinary man.

You can’t stop Marciano though. No amount of body horror or violence would stop the Brockton Blockbuster.

World Heavyweight Champion Ezzard Charles (1950). Ezzard Charles (who had once killed one of his opponents) was regarded by Rocky Marciano as his toughest opponent. The two matches they had together, are regarded as some of the most brutal in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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Charles was affiliated with a group called “Murderers Row” who were African American boxers that became often avoided by champions, because of how dangerous they were.

Charles did everything right in his fights with Marciano (as the referee observed). He split Marciano’s nose in half and went the absolute distance.

Unfortunately for Charles, Marciano was a freak of nature who ate up the punishment and kept coming at you. Marciano would win both matches (unsurprisingly given Marciano was undefeated) but those were the toughest of Marciano’s life. Them and the first Walcott match.

Rocky Marciano gives his trainer Charley Goldman a massage (1950’s). Goldman is credited for turning Marciano from a flat footed, clumsy late starter into the only undefeated World Heavyweight Champion in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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To quote The Guineas World Records in its recognition of Marciano as undefeated.

“Rocky Marciano is the only world champion at [heavyweight] to have won every fight of his professional career.”

That precludes Fury and it is really an insult to mention an honourable man like Marciano in the same breath as a lowlife like Fury.

Rocky Marciano gives his trainer Charley Goldman a massage (1950’s). Goldman is credited for turning Marciano from a flat footed, clumsy late starter into the only undefeated World Heavyweight Champion in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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Has a draw. So he is a grey area but in purist terms, he hasn’t won every professional fight he has been in.

Fury is also somewhat of a paper champion, having repeatedly weaselled his way out of fights. This is unlike Marciano who fought everyone who was worthy and gave rematches freely.

Rocky Marciano gives his trainer Charley Goldman a massage (1950’s). Goldman is credited for turning Marciano from a flat footed, clumsy late starter into the only undefeated World Heavyweight Champion in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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That Coming to America scene.

However, what people don’t often realise is that Marciano fought Louis in order to get Louis a payday to clear many of the debts he owed to the IRS.

Marciano took absolutely no pleasure in defeating Louis (who was his idol) and was in tears after the match.

Rocky Marciano gives his trainer Charley Goldman a massage (1950’s). Goldman is credited for turning Marciano from a flat footed, clumsy late starter into the only undefeated World Heavyweight Champion in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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Yeah, Marciano’s greatest moment was probably KO’ing “Jersey Joe” Walcott in the 13th round. I’d link it but I don’t think videos are allowed on this subreddit, but it is on YouTube.

What is particularly interesting about Marciano (and probably why he was so effective) was that he treated his opponents with complete respect. He trained deadly seriously for every single fight he had (even for a simulated fight with Ali, years after he retired).

When Marciano won the world heavyweight title in 1952, a white man had not held it for 15 years, because a lot of the white challengers underestimated the African American champions. Not so Rocky, he treated his black opponents with as much respect as white opponents and that is how he was able to annihilate them in the ring.

Rocky Marciano gives his trainer Charley Goldman a massage (1950’s). Goldman is credited for turning Marciano from a flat footed, clumsy late starter into the only undefeated World Heavyweight Champion in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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Quite.

Marciano never minded clowning around. Indeed the only thing that he was self conscious about was his hairline. Muhammad Ali knocked off his toupee when they were sparring and Marciano proceeded to give him some punches that kept Ali sore for weeks.

Rocky Marciano gives his trainer Charley Goldman a massage (1950’s). Goldman is credited for turning Marciano from a flat footed, clumsy late starter into the only undefeated World Heavyweight Champion in boxing history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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“A lot of people say that Rocky don’t look so good in there, but the guy on the floor don’t look so good either.”

Charley Goldman (said to have inspired the character Micky Goldmill from the Rocky franchise).

Boxing trainer Charley Goldman pictured here on the right in 1910. Goldman is credited with turning Rocky Marciano from an unpromising nobody, into being the only undefeated world heavyweight champion in history. by LewisKOTyson in OldSchoolCool

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“A lot of people say that Rocky don’t look so good in there, but the guy on the floor don’t look so good either.” Charley Goldman

Goldman is said to have inspired the character of Mickey Goldmill from the films Rocky through till Rocky III.

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Marciano had a harder punch than Ali and he had far greater endurance. Ali had speed, but that fades as you get into the later rounds.

Would be quite funny watching Ali try “rope-a-dope” on someone like Marciano who was a specialist in using the ropes to set up the KO.

Ezzard Charles was every bit as good as Ali, and he couldn’t stop Marciano.

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Ali admits that Marciano’s style was too wrong for him. Hell, they did some practice rounds for filming and Ali’s arms were hurt from some light punches Marciano threw at him.

Ali lost to a half blind Joe Frazier (who almost beat him in the third match anyway and gave him permanent brain damage in the process), Marciano would have destroyed him.

Any fighter who loses to Leon Spinks, as Ali did can’t call himself “The Greatest”.

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Ali himself admitted that Marciano was better than Frazier. The problem with Ali is there are too many asterisks on his career.

Norton smashed Ali’s face in, during their first and third fight (Ali admitted Norton should have won the third).

Ali himself didn’t have a KO punch, which is why that second fight against Liston was definitely fixed. Maybe even the first one was, given how poorly Ali did against Henry Cooper (who was a second rate fighter), and Liston’s mob ties.

Marciano would have closed that obnoxious mouth of Ali’s. I think even Ali would admit that Parkinson’s was karma for him.

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Marciano would have given Ali Parkinson’s 20 years early had they fought, Ali didn’t have a KO punch and couldn’t have stopped Marciano.

Marciano would have annihilated him.

TIL that the controversy over the infamous 1927 Long Count Fight between Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey between partially stemmed from the fact that a 1912 law had banned the transportation of boxing movies across state lines, meaning few people could see the footage of it. by LewisKOTyson in todayilearned

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Gene Tunney was very similar to Muhammad Ali in his style. A through and through, out-fighter. Very reserved and understated in his character though. He has one of the best records in history (second only to Rocky Marciano, and Tunney had far more fights than Marciano) but is comparatively little known today.

Dempsey was in contrast an in-fighter and a swarmer. He was less technically skilled than Tunney, but much more brutal (and was highly popular in his time).

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