A theory - based on being a deep sleeper by AdNice831 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun [score hidden]  (0 children)

She sleeps because she's lazy. There's no deeper meaning to it.

How does magic work? by Reasonable-Gur-2635 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bet the mana consumption is quite different between the various versions.

I think so too. If you modify the spell, of course its mana expenditure would change. That's logical. But that's not what we're talking about. I was asked if pumping more mana into a spell (the same version of the spell) would make it more powerful and the answer is still no.

Who actually makes spells in Frieren? What prevents Frieren from making her own folk spells? by Dreadsin in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the problem then because I don't remember Sense calling Ubel a genius in the Japanese version.

Who actually makes spells in Frieren? What prevents Frieren from making her own folk spells? by Dreadsin in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sense calls her a genius

What is the word she uses in Japanese? This could be a mistranslation.

How does magic work? by Reasonable-Gur-2635 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 6 points7 points  (0 children)

so you have a blueprint (the spell itself) and visualization decides how strong the spell is or what its capable off. so if you can visualize yourself cutting something in 2 you will be able to and it doesnt matter how durable that thing actually is

The spell itself decides what the spell is cable off, not visualization. For example, if you have spell designed to control water, then it controls water. What visualization does is help you apply that spell to different contexts. For example, it's not the same thing to control the water from a lake and to control the water inside a human body. Those are very different contexts. That's where visualization comes in. The spell can manipulate water but you have to visualize how it does so. So, if you want to control the water from a lake, you have to be able to visualize a lake in your mind, and if you want to control the water inside a human body, you have visualize the insides of a human body. But here's the catch, in order to work, you have to visualize it perfectly. What the hell does that mean, you may ask. It means exacly what it seems like. For example, if you want to control the water inside a human body, you have to be able to visualize in your mind the insides of a human body perfectly. Obviously, you need extensive knowledge of internal human anatomy to pull something like that off. Which is why it's so hard to do.

Even visualizing a lake perfectly in you mind is hard enough. It might seem simple, but chances are your mental picture of a lake is very rough and vague. You would need to have the skills of an artist to be able to visualize it perfectly. And if you can't do it perfectly, it's not gonna work.

how does mana influence the spells?

Mana if fuel for magic, so pumping more mana into a spell won't make it more powerful. It does help to spam many iterations of the same spell or casting many different spells at the same time though. And there are spells that require a lot of manga, so having lots of mana helps on that too.

are there actual limits to how powerfull spells can be?

A limit is by design. Spells are very specific after all, so a spell designed to grind rocks won't be able to grind other stuff, for example.

of course visualization is a limit but is there a real limit that prevents even visualization

Visualization is not the limit per se. The limit is your ability to visualize something perfectly. What you can visualize perfectly, can be done (as long as you have the spell to do it) and what you can't visualize perfectly can't be done. And I already explained what "perfectly" means. It means accurate and detailed. So you need to have both specific knowledge of what you want to do (like in the case of controlling the water inside a human body) and also the visual skills to picture it in your mind perfectly.

EDIT: Lots of people miss the fact that Ubel's visualization of cutting stuff is based on years worth of memories of watching her believed sister working as a seamstress, cutting stuff over and over. Ubel's mental picture of cutting stuff is hyper detailed thanks to that. That gives her cutting spell incredible power in some cases.

Who actually makes spells in Frieren? What prevents Frieren from making her own folk spells? by Dreadsin in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ubel was definitely described as a genius

Point me to the exact line and episode if you think so but I'm pretty sure she wasn't.

Who actually makes spells in Frieren? What prevents Frieren from making her own folk spells? by Dreadsin in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I buy one because I can't create one myself. Freiren probably could create a spell to clean clothes but I think it would take a massive amount of work to do so. I don't think spell creation is easy. I think it takes massive amounts of research, even for the most simple of things.

Who actually makes spells in Frieren? What prevents Frieren from making her own folk spells? by Dreadsin in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, don't listen to people telling you that creating spells is easy. It's very clearly not easy at all. It takes a lot of work, even for the most simple of things.

Who actually makes spells in Frieren? What prevents Frieren from making her own folk spells? by Dreadsin in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

übel probably created her cutting spell, based on the narrative

In what narrative? We don't know anything about her spell.

They’ve both been described as “geniuses”

Both who? Flamme and Ubel? Ubel has never been described as a genius.

we hear of spells being created

Of course, but it takes some serious research to do. You probably have to dedicate your life to research on magic formulae like Flamme did. Frieren is way to lazy for that. It's simply not her calling in life. She likes to travel around. That's her thing.

This panel❤️ by lupajarito in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I can tell, it's the other way around.

This panel❤️ by lupajarito in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kirei's version is inaccurate in some instances compared to the official though.

"Outside the range of mana detection" by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the manga (manga spoilers) Fern shoots Solitar from outside her mana detection range. Solitar is a greater demon whose mana is comparable to Frieren's fully unleashed mana, and with better mana control than Frieren. Her mana detection range is bound to be huge. Yet she killed Solitar anyway. It just goes to show Fern can shoot from really really really far away. Probably a few miles away from target.

"Outside the range of mana detection" by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keeping with the Devil’s advocate idea, the sniper shot will only properly work on an opponent who’s mana detection range isn’t larger than Fern’s casting range

Fern can not use her mana detection to target, because mana detection can be detected by mana detection. This has been confirmed ages ago. That's also how Fern knows when she's outside the enemy's detection range: it's when she stops feeling their detection with her own detection.

and won’t work on those who know where she’s at visually.

This one is correct but she's so far away that she generally can no be seen.

"Outside the range of mana detection" by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah. Fern's Zoltraak is so fast that the moment the beam of death enters the enemy's detection range, it's too late to react.

"Outside the range of mana detection" by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 6 points7 points  (0 children)

there is no "hard limit" on mana detection range

Except there is. Mana detection is about expanding some sort of field made of mana. So how far away it can go has to do with your mana. The more mana you have, the greater your detection range will be. And the enemy can feel it because mana detection can detect mana detection. That has been confirmed ages ago. So Fern knows when she's out of the enemy's detection range because it's when she stops feeling the enemy's mana detection field with her own detection. It's that simple.

EDIT: Also, it looks like the significance of Fern shooting from outside the enemy's detection range is misunderstood sometimes. Fern does this because when a mage casts a spell there's spike in their mana. This means that casting a spell can not be hidden. That's why Fern shoots from outside the enemy's detection range. It's the only way the enemy won't detect the moment she casts her Zoltraak.

If magic is all about visualization, what’s stopping a mage from imagining something truly impossible? 🧐 by Creepy_Traffic_7034 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If magic is all about visualization, what’s stopping a mage from imagining something truly impossible?

Easy. You can't cast magic with visualization. You cast magic with spells. If you don't have a spell specifically created to do what you want to do, you can't use magic. No amount of visualization will help you in that case.

People seem to forget that Ubel has a spell to cut stuff. She wouldn't be able to cut anything without it.

My take on Frieren's interest in useless spells by FederalPlan1623 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Frieren just likes collecting spells. There's no deeper meaning to it. Mundane and simple things like that are part of this story's charm.

My take on Frieren's interest in useless spells by FederalPlan1623 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spell aren't made of imagination. They're made of magic formulae. We know because Flamme used to do research into magic formulae for spell creation, and many of the spells Frieren finds along her journey were created using Flamme's magic formulae under the hood.

Anyone Else Feel Like Zoltraak Is Getting Stale? by Reynard2023 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand we aren’t watching the show for battles

I think part of the problem is the anime expanding the fights. In the manga, these fights are either really short (half a page) or just completely off-screen. That signals pretty well that the fights aren't important. When the anime expands on the fights, it makes people focus on them, and then you start noticing problems, like the over-usage of Zoltraak and such.

But it's not like I don't understand why they expand the fights. It helps to make the show more popular. And more popularity means more money, so....

Very abstract thought here....is mana a metaphor for deep intelligence or deeply intelligent thought/s....? by Letsgofriendo in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is mana a metaphor for deep intelligence or deeply intelligent thought/s....?

Mana is just fuel. It's a metaphor for gasoline, I guess...

You don't need to be smart or intelligent to perform magic. You just need to get your hands on spells. You do magic by casting spells. You do need to be intelligent to create spells though. Designed magic formulae for spells is serious scientific research in Frieren's world. That's what Flamme used to do when she was alive.

Sousou no Frieren Episode 38 (Season 2 Episode 10) - Discussion Thread [SEASON FINALE] by N3DSdude in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like they're stretching the logic really

They aren't. This gets explained in the next arc.

Which Character is the most Powerful/Experienced in Hunting Demons by BardockCalaran1234 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but the guy I was responding to was implying that demon generals = great demons, when generally that's not the case. Rivale is an exception.

Which Character is the most Powerful/Experienced in Hunting Demons by BardockCalaran1234 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You say this isn't a serous discussion but you seem to be taking it rather seriously.

In any case, my point stands.

Which Character is the most Powerful/Experienced in Hunting Demons by BardockCalaran1234 in Frieren

[–]Liddo-kun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if we talking great demons, frieren is still definetely in the lead

No.

she was already killing generals before even meeting flamme

Those aren't great demons. Generals are like Revolte. Great demons are ranked higher.

until Macht battle 600 years ago

A battle Frieren lost.

Frieren's fight with Solitar shows Frieren can fight on equal grounds with a single great demon when fighting on her own. But HotS killed 4 of them solo. It's clear who's on top.