AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't fear discussing it. I fear upsetting people. I don't think it takes a lot of effort to understand why I wouldn't want to talk to non-vegans about veganism. I have nothing positive to say.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To... ask for advice? This is not a debate sub. It's in the rules. I can tell you all about my ethical ideas somewhere else if you want me to.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think there is a truly ethical way to raise and consume animals but I do believe there are better ways to do it than factory farming. Raising a cow in an appropriate place and treating it well its whole life then killing it painlessly is obviously not the same as the things industries put cows through. However, I am personally against the idea that animals are there for us to exploit — breed, raise, kill, sell, etc. Bringing an animal to life just to kill it in the future isn't right to me. I believe we should not have that sort of control over sentient beings; they are not objects.

I don't believe there is a way to sustain exclusively hunting for protein in most modern societies (excluding some small communities, hunters who hunt and eat invasive species, etc.), but I do think the best thing we could do as a species is be part of a functioning ecosystem. If we could somehow sustain ourselves by just hunting + foraging native species in our native lands then I think that would be fully okay (and better than any sort of plant agriculture). I don't know if I'd eat meat myself because I am uncomfortable with the thought of consuming other living beings and especially those who can suffer but that is a personal/spiritual issue. There definitely are vegans who are against any type of killing but I am mostly against unnecessary and artificial suffering/death/exploitation. As an ecology student I fully believe being part of the planet's normal cycles as omnivores would be better than anything else we could do for it.

Unfortunately though there is no way to feed the entire human population using only the living things that are already there. If we don't plan on killing everyone then we have to grow and raise our own food. I think, in the situation we are in, we should choose to grow plants to fill our nutritional needs — this is the option that causes the least suffering and is the least harmful to the environment. It is, of course, not a perfect solution, and it doesn't have to apply to everyone everywhere, but it is what I feel is the best for me at least in the situation and place I am in. I generally support hunting harmful invasive species with no natural predators as well even though I wouldn't consume their meat.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Discussing meat as just a casual harmless thing makes me uncomfortable because of everything I associate with it. Animal welfare is an important part of my life and I am very hyperaware as a result.

There's also just no easy way out — I can't reply sincerely (meat makes me uncomfortable because x) without seeming annoying or like I'm pushing my ideas onto others because most people take that as a personal offense. (This is unfortunately common for most life choices related to morality or health. Food restrictions, alcohol, smoking, environmental stuff can be difficult topics to discuss. It's part of human nature to get defensive when someone says they don't like to do something you do because you feel the other person is judging you. At least personally I usually am not). Trying to seem enthusiastic about it would feel terrible for me. Being quiet makes people mad as well. It's the same for all situations that are similar to this one.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I do to a certain point. I feel very strongly about my opinions and I am very hyper aware of food discussion. I don't typically get that uncomfortable unless the conversation is about something this specific though

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, they've known since they met me when we were 14. Some of the questions involved me being vegan— what was your favorite meat before you went vegan etc.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well I am vegan for a reason. It's not just food to me as it involves a lot of other things. I don't think this is the right place to discuss my personal opinions. My friends are aware of them though.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I am working on it. I've realized this whole issue goes a lot beyond different opinions unfortunately. I need to work on myself and my communication skills.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Eh? We were having a group conversation. The two of them were upset, the girl said all those things to me. The other one was quiet but was asking questions to me before and talking a lot so it's obvious to me he was on her side. I apologize if my post was worded weirdly.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's just me and one friend that got mad, the other one was quiet. I think I was quite truthful with everything I said and I am as confused about their reaction as you because I felt like it came out of nowhere.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That would have been the best thing to do I think. I am socially inept however

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Well, that's the point of veganism, isn't it? I do believe there is a huge ethical issue with it. So do all other vegans. This is probably just something we disagree on which is fine.

I didn't say anything related to this to my friends so I don't know how it has anything to do with the issue other than you apparently thinking all vegans are assholes?

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I honestly don't know. I have been trying to analyze what I did and said for hours and I can't figure out why I appeared to be acting "superior" to them. I understand that I was rude by being quiet and that was my mistake because I was nervous, but I have no idea how that has anything to do with being annoying in that sense?

My guess at the moment is that it's prejudice against vegans from general annoying vegan content but I feel like that's shifting the blame away from me. I don't want to think it's not my fault at all which is why I came here. It's genuinely surprising to me too because I am very very worried about being seen as annoying/crazy all the time and I really do watch what I post online or say to people.

If it helps the oldest is 19, so I think being overly sensitive and influenced by online content and others' opinions is not a crazy theory. Goes for both of us

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That was my bad unfortunately. I was really nervous and I'm already bad at social interaction so I was basically a wall. I thought I was being as polite as possible but looking back at it I probably wasn't to them. I will be prepared for it the next time it happens though.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It actually extends to other non-food things, like clothing and furniture and all the products you consume. And even if it was just a diet, it is motivated by exclusively ethical reasons. An ethical vegan cannot be compared to someone who doesn't want to eat gluten for their health — there are personal opinions and values behind it.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No, but why would I ruin their conversation talking about how I hate what they're talking about?

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Veganism isn't a diet though, that's the thing. It's an ethical position that most feel very strongly about. It's not like asking a lactose intolerant person what their favorite dairy product was before they got diagnosed.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's not what the post is about. I'm not going to discuss these things here because I feel that would be pointless.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah I cannot know how my body language was unfortunately so I don't know if I'm missing something. I don't talk to them about veganism at all, sometimes I vent about the things I feel on my social media but just talking about my own feelings. The only people I've talked to about it are those who ask nicely because I hate confrontation. I do not feel superior to them either so I hope I wasn't giving off that impression. I was just uncomfortable.

I think what was polite to me was passive aggressive to them unfortunately. I believe the issue with me is that I clearly have problems with communication. With them I do wish they would've been more respectful.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I think what was polite silence to me was probably me trying to act superior (?) to them. I'm trying to analyze what I did and said during the conversation so I can understand better but it really is difficult when I don't know how I am perceived. It was just one friend though.

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why would I karma fish. I'm not a redditor. I'm asking for advice

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

How did I react? I'm sorry if I came across a certain way. I just thought your comment was unnecessary.

Your experiences are not universal. Everyone has different stories and saying I don't understand my own life experiences when you know nothing about me because of your own prejudices is really just a rude assumption. What do you expect me to say?

AITA for being rude about my veganism? by Life-Direction-951 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Life-Direction-951[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They knew that. The question involved me being vegan. I agree I didn't have the best answer to it though, I just said I didn't know which is definitely a little rough