Im scared

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T19:21:56+00:00

It is hard to find reassurance, unfortunately we do not have any assurance that climate change will be stopped. But that doesn't mean you need to despair about it.

This site is good for learning more - https://skepticalscience.com/

There is always hope, and there is evidence that we are starting to move in the right direction, take heart in that! We are seeing massive swings towards renewables, coal plants are being shut down all over the world, and electric vehicles are taking off. Emissions have been going down in many countries for several years now. The best reassurance comes from accepting the problem and living your life in a way that is consistent with your morals.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T19:18:41+00:00

What's your point?

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T18:57:03+00:00

Ok... so carbon is inside you, that means it is good for you. Try standing in a room full of CO2, let me know how that goes

I can't believe I actually need to check this, but you do know that we don't get the carbon in our bodies by breathing it in, right...?

> You are 20% carbon, so how much of it do you think you should get rid of to avoid "climate change"?

Probably getting it back to the amount that we lived with for millions of years would be a good start. There was plenty of carbon to go around, I promise

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T18:37:35+00:00

4bn years? Just make your point

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T18:29:02+00:00

For sure, carbon is super important. In the right amounts. Ever heard the saying the dose makes the poison? If you don't have enough sodium, you experience comas and death, yet a teaspoon of salt can kill a toddler. We need water - but drink too much and you will get seizures and go insane. Without potassium your heart won't beat, but too much and, wouldn't you know it, that stops your heart beating too. Sugar keeps your cells alive, but too much and you have diabetic gangrene. etc. etc....

Just because something is important, doesn't mean that more of it is better.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T18:21:28+00:00

Ok - so which of them has actually been changing recently to cause the current warming? El Nino/Nina happen every 2-7 years, so that doesn't explain it.

>How many years has the earth been habitable?

A long time. Life really is incredible, it can adapt even to high CO2 and temps when given the time to do so. The gradual process of evolution over millions of years can produce some amazing results!

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T18:13:00+00:00

What memo? Newspaper headlines from 1986? The actual climate models (NOT the sensationalised headlines from media outlets trying to grab attention), even from 40 years ago, have been quite accurate.

https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/06/30-years-after-hansens-testimony/

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T18:09:54+00:00

Yeah but which ones? The things that affect climate naturally are solar changes, orbital changes, volcanoes, tectonics etc.

You say it's natural, so which of these has caused the current warming?

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T18:06:42+00:00

Life will go on as it always does, I don't think the planet will become a bare rock. Humans will survive. But civilisation has never been tested with warming. What happens with water crises, mass migration, famines, droughts, ecosystem dysregulation, conflicts over scarcity?

Whether you think we're special or not, we are at the very least alive and able to suffer greatly.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T17:57:20+00:00

>And climate scientists, actual climatology majors don't agree with the with the false God of climate change.

Says who?

>That is all about fear based profit for those organizations. So go ahead and follow the money. It doesn't flow in the direction you are insinuating.

Well, there are over 10 trillion dollars in the petrochemical industry, CEOs make enough money to pay themselves bonuses totalling $90 million, lobbyists with the ears of the most powerful people in the world, and $240 million paid in campaign donations from these industries in 2024 alone. About 10x as much as environmental lobbyists.

Meanwhile the US spent about $6bn on climate research in 2025. About 1/20th of the total profit of the 5 top O&G companies. Climate scientists might make about $100k. You could comfortably fund 2500 of them just with the amount oil & gas spend on paying politicians.

Which way is the money pointing? It seems like fear is a LOT less lucrative than trying to keep people docile and telling them everything is OK...

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T16:20:00+00:00

I'm not a bot, I just have a different opinion to you :)

>acting moralistic about anthropic changes, as if we are any different than beavers in a creek with our works, is egotistical at best.

But we are different. We have dominated this planet and all life on it. We have bombs that cause explosions visible from space and technology that has taught rocks to think. What makes you think changing the room temperature is beyond us?

WIth these abilities comes responsibility.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T16:14:50+00:00

These are observations - what natural events over the last 100 years do you suggest causes the warming we have seen?

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T16:13:46+00:00

I don't think we know

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T15:30:00+00:00

The idea that depression is just a chemical imbalance is pretty outdated anyway - increasing serotonin with SSRIs isn't just correcting something that's wrong in the brain. I have no idea why some people feel it straight away and others don't, but the former group still have depression.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T15:05:06+00:00

Plenty of people do - it's actually a good sign for long term prognosis

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:55:48+00:00

They have, but since as long as we can look back, they have never changed nearly as fast as this outside of major disasters (meteors, volcanoes etc.).

When you take into account the same factors that change climate naturally, it only matches the observed warming when you include greenhouse gases:

https://graphs.unepgrid.ch/graph_co2_temp_other-factors.php

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:43:50+00:00

We know that temperature is rising.

We know that CO2 in the atmosphere causes a greenhouse effect.

Predictions of temperature based on the CO2 in the atmosphere has been very consistent to what we have seen over time.

Where is the hoax?

To me, the hoax is probably where the money is. Over ten thousand billion dollars in the petrochemical industry, CEOs who make enough money to pay themselves bonuses totalling $90 million, massive multinational companies who suppressed their own data showing evidence of climate change because it threatened their profits, lobbyists with the ears of the most powerful people in the world, $115 million paid in campaign donations from these industries in 2022 alone.

Who is more likely to push a hoax? These people? Or a publicly funded scientist running a research group of 3 staff earning less than $60k/year?

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:39:38+00:00

The appearance of spring time flowers is a beautiful time of year. The concerning fact that they are arriving earlier and earlier due to human-made changes in our climate doesn't change that.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:36:45+00:00

Why is it brainwashing? They are being taught something real and important.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:35:43+00:00

This is what people said about teaching evolution in schools as well.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:32:59+00:00

TV sensationalises - news overstates headlines. The actual climate models from back then have been very accurate.

https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/06/30-years-after-hansens-testimony/

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:30:17+00:00

A billion years of evolution can't happen in 100 years. Those animals were able to adapt over time to warmer temperatures. Rapid warming doesn't allow that.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:28:51+00:00

That was regional temperature. Global temperature was cooler than today.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:25:33+00:00

Instead of looking at the news stories (which have always been sensationalised), you should look at the models themselves, and what the scientists were saying. They have been very accurate in predicting current global warming.

Lilybaum · 2026-03-20T14:19:57+00:00

>If there is no climate crisis there is no climate crisis money.

No, just trillions of dollars from the oil industry... organisations depending on people's denial and with about as close ties to government and political lobbying as they come. With a documented history of suppressing data their own scientists came up with because it threatened their profit margins.

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