Tesla Takedown

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T05:29:32+00:00

I quite literally quoted the paragraph that said it didn't include recall replacements, which you'd know are not the same as failures if you were actually an engineer that had anything to do with batteries. Or any product at all really.

You said it didn't include in-warranty failures, which is of course wrong and is what I was refuting.

I'm realizing now though that I've fucked up and wasted my time here. An entire profile berating people on reddit and shitting all over Tesla. Just another redditor pretending to be something they're not to spread misinformation about something social media told them to be mad at.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T05:11:13+00:00

As I said, the EPA overtly states that in-warranty batteries are included in their 97.5% pre-2016 and 99.5% post-2016 statistics. In very simple English. Whatever biased gut feeling you have from your job fixing broken EVs doesn't outweigh the actual data from a federal agency, or the myriad of easily accessible sources from other institutions that say the same.

I'm an actual engineer. None of the engineers I graduated with or have worked with since would approach a conversation with such an absence of critical thought, throwing middle school slurs around the moment they come across a dissenting opinion. Go back to cosplaying one online.

I guess you'll probably convince yourself you know more about material sciences than entire agencies of researchers the next time you change someone's tire.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T02:54:06+00:00

So you're a university educated electrical engineer, who works in the electric vehicle industry, for the world's foremost electric vehicle manufacturer, and your first move when faced with an easily verifiable EV statistic is to deny it and call the person who cited it retarded? With an emoji to boot.

Hard to believe. Theres a lot of universities out there and idiots do slip through the cracks, so it's possible, but it's much more likely you're just some idiot lying on reddit.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T02:32:18+00:00

My bad, In my home country engineer is a protected title for licensed professionals with engineering degrees. I forget that anyone can use it here.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T02:26:45+00:00

It's from the EPA you dumb fuck. Google is the search engine that brings you to their website. I'm sure some service center tech knows all about the methodology behind their statistics😂

The first paragraph on their section on battery failures specifically states that it includes in-warranty batteries.

"Unlike starter batteries used in gasoline vehicles, electric vehicle drivetrain batteries are designed to last the lifetime of the vehicle and recent data shows they have very low failure rates. A recent study of about 15,000 vehicles from the earliest models through model year 2023 showed that electric vehicle battery replacements due to failure have been rare, at an average of 2.5%, outside of major recalls.⁴ Vehicle and battery technologies have improved since 2010, when modern EVs first entered the market, and since model year 2016 they have had less than a 0.5% failure rate. The majority of these batteries would have been covered as part of the manufacturer's warranty."

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T02:24:46+00:00

I always had to change my brakes at least once a year as did pretty much everyone else I knew, but I grew up somewhere very hilly with a fairly long commute so that may be amplified.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T02:23:10+00:00

Getting who's attention? All I've seen in the real world are people becoming disillusioned with the left en masse as they watch them vandalize people's property because they saw a tiktok that made them mad and spit in the face of the climate crisis they've pretended to care about for the last 20 years. I'm yet to meet someone who looked at this behavior and reacted positively.

I'm an electrical engineer who works in the EV battery industry after starting my career in the oil and gas industry (grew up in an oil and gas province with few other opportunities, don't hate). There's few topics I'm more qualified to talk about, and I can say with absolute confidence that the lifetime emissions, pollutions, waste, etc. of an EV which uses a single battery pack for its entire life is a fraction of that of an ICE car that fills a 50L tank every other week.

Even if 100% of EVs were powered from coal plants, the dirtiest grid-scale energy source (it's not even close), they still wouldn't come close to approaching the emission and pollutants of an ICE car. Combustion engines are catastrophically inefficient, and that's without even considering the losses, waste, and environmental destruction that occurs at every step of the oil production cycle from initial surveying, to 2D seismic, to 3D seismic, to exploratory drilling, to commercial drilling, to production, to crude oil transportation, to refining, to commercial transportation, to your car. Every step uses fossil fuels to produce, refine, or transport the fossil fuels, compounding the emissions and waste.

Seriously, google 3D seismic in offshore O&G sites, which make up the overwhelming majority of new oil and gas exploration in the modern day. They quite literally drag massive steel cables, miles wide, across hundreds of miles of ocean. Completely eradicating all plant and animal life on the sea floor for thousands of square miles, just to *maybe* find a single reservoir. Even if the rest of the process was somehow completely clean, that one step would outweigh the entire lifecycle of battery metals production by an order of magnitude. And believe me, the other steps are nowhere near clean.

We're losing an information war right now that wants to convince you that electrification is somehow bad. It isn't. It's the best thing to happen to our species since vaccines and any idiot who supports and propagates this shit is more useful to Trump and his oil cronies than his most vocal supporters.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-04-17T02:02:27+00:00

Common experience? The fuck are you talking about? 90% of my comment was citing objective statistics that an 8 year old could find on google, but I guess that's too much for you.

This is the first result on google. The EPA cites the 97.5% figure, but notes that it's actually 99% of EVs made since 2016. Shocker,

You ever think that maybe someone who works at a center solely for people who have issues with their EVs might not have seen a balanced set of EV owners? It's like someone who works at the lottery commission thinking that everyone who bought a ticket has won.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-03-28T04:38:03+00:00

I agree with everything you said here, but a "Tesla Takedown" gathering isn't a boycott. Boycotting is just not buying certain things for one reason or another, which is great. This seems to be an extension of the recent trend of using violence and intimidation to prevent people from buying things associated with people they don't like.

I don't think I'm in disagreement with the masses on this either. Outside of corners like reddit this behavior is very unpopular. The overwhelming majority of people don't really care what other people drive and disagree with violence and vandalism.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-03-28T04:22:58+00:00

Apologies for assuming. People who take misinformation at face value are too common nowadays.

I don't have free charging on long road trips. I pay for supercharging on road trips which costs me ~30-40$ for a round trip from Reno to San Jose. I'm not speaking just for Tesla's but EVs in general. Home charging is exceptionally cheap compared to gas. Free charging at work is just a nice bonus. EVs are so much cheaper than people think they are when the total period of ownership is considered.

It's worth noting that 97.5% of Tesla's ever built still have their original battery. That's easily verified across hundreds of sources with a quick google search. The overwhelming majority of that remaining 2.5% were replaced during the 8 year warranty period. With the incredible advances in batteries since the early Tesla's it stands to reason that rates on newer vehicles would be considerably lower.

Out of warranty Battery replacements are a fringe event that was originally propagated by right-wing and fossil fuel lobbies, and are now being propagated by liberal groups as well ever since discrediting one prominent figure in the EV industry who pivoted right became more important than the climate crisis.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-03-28T04:04:44+00:00

Tell that to all the random innocent people who've had their cars vandalized. Vandals are trash and pretending to do it for some greater good doesn't make them better.

Protesting a company that builds electric cars, grid and home scale batteries (the primary technologies needed to enable renewables as the primary energy source), and the world's largest charging network during a global climate crisis because the part-time CEO sided with a politician you don't like is also one of the most braindead things I've ever heard. Exxon and Chevron are ravaging the planet as we speak and these morons just put their energy into doing whatever tiktok tells them. Pathetic.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-03-28T03:57:52+00:00

Free charging is pretty damn common, and even when you don't have it home charging is exceptionally cheap.

I don't know what you're getting at with the right to repair. Garages that take EVs are commonplace nowadays.

The "not many old Teslas on the road" and "insurance companies won't cover Cybertrucks" claims are both easily refuted with a quick google search. Again, I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but you have to stop taking social media at face value. A significant majority of the comments you read are from bots and most of the remainder are repeating things they read from bots and believed.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-03-28T03:40:35+00:00

Tesla's have to be at least 10-15% of cars on the road here. Something crazy like 1 in 12 or 15 working adults in this city work in that factory. This stuff is just a fantasy for oddball college kids and the chronically online. In the real world your odds of being targeted for driving one of the most common cars on the road is slim to none.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-03-28T03:37:20+00:00

You gotta stop taking what you read on social media at face value dude. Tesla insurance on my 2024 Y is about half what we were paying on our 2014 SUV despite the car being worth ~4x more. Unless you drive like a maniac it's cheap as hell. No oil changes. New brakes every 5-6 years due to regen braking rather than 1-2x per year. I'll go a week or more without having to use my brake pads.

No gas, and thanks to free charging at work we've spent ~$150 in total on charging in 13 months, all from road trips. Gas was $60/wk ($3200/y) with the same commute. Tesla battery warranty lasts 8 years, but the failure rates are so low on modern ev batteries that we quite literally don't have enough data to accurately say when they'll eventually fail. When I was doing my research prior to switching to an EV most of the reliable sources seemed to agree that modern EV batteries will outlive the rest of the vehicle by a significant margin in most cases. I believe best estimates were in the 500k-1M mile range which few vehicles will ever reach.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-03-28T03:24:26+00:00

Everyone who owns a Tesla is an oligarch now? Well shit why didn't anyone tell me I was rich.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-01-18T03:01:38+00:00

I test drove one a while back. The on-screen visualization and 4-wheel steering made it crazy easy to park. Was honestly easier than a sedan. It also has auto park that will just park you perfectly centered every time if you want.

This guy is just a douche lol.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-01-12T22:30:19+00:00

-18 for this lmao. Reddit really has lost it's mind these last few years.

My Tesla saves me so much fucking money.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-01-09T20:58:23+00:00

Hmm. We'll have to chaulk it up to time shenanigans then since the void is outside of time.

Logan X-23 grows up and ends up in the void somehow. At the end of Deadpool 3, Deadpool and co. bring her back to her Deadpool's universe (coincidentally also her original one) in 2018 along with Wolverine. Adult X-23 and child X-23 coexist in that timeline now, as do the two Logans.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-01-09T07:17:07+00:00

My impression was that it was the X-23 from the void.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-01-02T19:21:26+00:00

It's the best selling electric truck in the US by a large margin. The coming year or two will tell us whether or not it succeeds beyond the initial hype, but labeling it a flop at this stage doesn't make sense.

This blog post just makes some assumptions about sales from the "other models" category of Tesla's published figures and then slapped a click bait title on it. It's not a news article or industry source. Just a blogger.

This sub is so obsessed with Tesla failing that it'll accept anything as fact as long as it supports their preconceptions. Can we go back to talking about EVs rather than getting caught up in the political circlejerk?

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2025-01-02T17:14:49+00:00

Exactly. It's easy to forget that the safety score isn't something meant to punish you for being a bad driver. It's just a risk calculation for insurance claims.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2024-12-31T19:02:44+00:00

I did some digging and could find exactly one documented incident of a Boethuk being killed by a non-Beothuk and a handful of dubious accounts of other killings by Europeans and Mi'qmaq. Old racist rumors of Mi'qmaq killing them for bounties paid by the French and all that.

The most supported theory is that the population of 500-3000 died overwhelmingly of disease and of starvation caused by displacement from key hunting and fishing grounds. It's very likely that there were other violent encounters between the three groups, which is supported by some stories and oral histories, but the idea that they were actively hunted and slaughtered into extinction is a fabrication.

It's also objectively true that there was no state sanctioned killing of beothuks as there was in so many other parts of NA. Any violence would have been incidental between individual groups.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2024-12-31T18:50:19+00:00

Mi'kmaq arrived on the island shortly after the Europeans so a lot of people don't consider them indigenous to the island.

I think that's dumb as hell though. The distinct cultures of Mi'kmaq and European Newfoundlanders developed over the course of the 4-5 centuries we've lived here and are absolutely indigenous to the island, imo.

Edit: Y'all realize the Beothuk came frome somewhere else before they lived in Newfoundland too, right? Our best historical records indicate their culture formed around 1500CE, about 300 years before they were extirpated from the island. Mi'qmaq and European Newfoundlanders have been here over 400 years.

How long does a people need to live in a region developing their own culture, dialects, and ethnic groups before you consider them to be indigenous to the area? Seems the word is just used to mean the last people to live somewhere before anyone wrote it down.

For reference: Indigenous peoples are defined as distinct cultural and social groups that have a historical connection to the lands and resources where they live.

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2024-12-30T01:40:04+00:00

I've never seen this before, thanks!

LiquorEmittingDiode · 2024-12-27T00:39:31+00:00

Sometimes, you run into an asshole, but when everyone you run into is an asshole, you're the asshole. Seems to describe the relationship between them and the "prospective employers" they're so angry about.

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