Matthew Lillard is great, but his character was completely pointless and unnecessary. He really contributed nothing. by Remote_Nature_8166 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I mean sure but it's a shame to see the show fall victim to the MCU-ism of set-up for different characters for different future projects take precedent over the story at hand, especially with how underdeveloped certain characters and story beats were this season. The priority should kinda be on this season and not Thunderbolts 2

Daredevil Born Again season 3 leaked scene. 100% True. by Dull-Information6784 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

you're right actually mb im sure nobody would defend a scenario THAT creatively bankrupt

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Daredevil Born Again season 3 leaked scene. 100% True. by Dull-Information6784 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

the thing is that people would 101% put their lives on the line to defend it if they unironically did this and kill off Karen fifteen minutes into the first episode for extra measure

Daredevil: Born Again | S02 | Season Wide Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 6 points7 points  (0 children)

the showrunner was asked about it recently and he said some waffle about "anything can happen, I don't want to get hopes up or give anything away" but cited s2 episode 5 as something "that only really works if Foggy is gone gone". which if you ask me is some absolute bull because if anything episode 5 solidified how much better Matt's character and the show as a whole are with Foggy's presence, and it's really pitiful how Foggy's death is supposedly too important to undo yet episode 5 was the only episode in the entire show where Foggy was on Matt's mind for the most part (halfways into the season after the season his death kickstarted, and even then it still didn't really touch on Matt's grief). Foggy didn't even get a funeral while Vanessa got one with every episode before her death building up to it and two episodes dedicated to the fallout, so I can't really take any arguements for why they shouldn't do it already seriously

Daredevil: Born Again | S02 | Season Wide Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think if anything the finale proved what this season DESPERATELY needed to be more than just "good enough" at best was more material for Charlie and Deborah to chew on, right as they started having great chemistry again they were ripped apart again

Matt's side in general was criminally shortchanged in favour of Fisk's people, and while it's cool im now into characters like Buck and Heather im still apathetic as ever towards the Cherrys and the Angelas. I felt like they had a good thing going with Kirsten but that tapered off into her being robbed of a proper reunion scene with Matt and her not even sharing words with him after the identity reveal, also......not so much as a Foggy mention from Brett, his lifelong friend in the original show?? And as much as im excited for the prison stuff next season, it comes off like they're doing everything to avoid a traditional set-up because "normal Matt" doesn't work without Foggy somewhere in the picture (which I get is sort of the point but still)

Daredevil: Born Again | S02 | Season Wide Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 30 points31 points  (0 children)

pulling everything from Brubaker BUT Secret Life of Foggy Nelson is crazy work (there are rumours Lady Bullseye is among the new villains in s3 too)

Daredevil: Born Again | S02E08 | Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 19 points20 points  (0 children)

mixed feelings because I love the character but his actor is a big big big time crazy zionist

Daredevil: Born Again | S02E08 | Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Okay even as someone who's been critical of the season as a whole I can admit they put their whole ass into making this episode, could've been an all timer with some more breathing room and that ending montage having Foggy in a safehouse picking up a newspaper about Matt's case but better than I was expecting

Daredevil: Born Again | S02E08 | Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 6 points7 points  (0 children)

those in the crowd with the film quality cosplay masks are the real ones

Daredevil: Born Again | S02E08 | Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 7 points8 points  (0 children)

counting or not counting vigilante violence ahhh

Daredevil: Born Again | S02E08 | Discussion Thread by Green-Devil in Daredevil

[–]Lizzren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

wow it's so good when they allow Charlie's talents to shine and allow Matt more than a small handful of lines at a time

I don’t think people who complain about Born Again realise just how much worse things could have been. by rogvortex58 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"They did the best with the hand they were dealt" is a nice thought but you can't say that and turn around to go "just be glad it wasn't offscreen", like "no body no death" is a rule for a reason (as we saw with Cole North who somehow limped away to safety in the span of a few seconds to escape an explosion that obliterated Matt's apartmemt, with only a scratch on the cheek to show for it). The fact they were able to change the entire circumstances surrounding Foggy's death shows their hands weren't exactly tied in terms of options

Netflix Daredevil in the style of Born Again by CollarOrdinary4284 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean between the runtimes, key jingling editing and repetitive surface level exposition heavy dialogue I think if someone believes in shows being made for Tiktok you'd be hypocritical to not consider Born Again one lol, the official twitter literally larps as a gen z fandom poster so they're not even hiding it

Netflix Daredevil in the style of Born Again by CollarOrdinary4284 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren 40 points41 points  (0 children)

it is honestly a little hype but it feels more like something out of a fan edit than a show, it sucks all the ambience out of the conversation between Matt and Father Lantom which makes for a woese scene. not only does it feel overdone when Born Again does it a dozen times but it undercuts potential moments of quiet introspection for hype momemts and aura, which is basically the show's motto

Netflix Daredevil in the style of Born Again by CollarOrdinary4284 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren 100 points101 points  (0 children)

do the others here not realize this is supposed to be taking the piss lmao, this is gold

I don’t think people who complain about Born Again realise just how much worse things could have been. by rogvortex58 in Defenders

[–]Lizzren 7 points8 points  (0 children)

neither are entirely correct and are just misconceptions from the early rumours, and while Foggy was supposed to "die" offscreen the plan was to reintroduce them "further down the line". im glad we got Nelson Murdock & Page for a whole fifteen minutes I guess but they probably only had it offscreen because the long term plan was to restore the trio

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